Our family fell inlove with yorkies - Our Princess Truffles & Sir Wynston

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Im not going to get caught in the middle of a debate with you two. The two of you are like a tag team. It is just ridiculous and I have better things to do.

I refuse to let the two of you turn this thread Celebrating the OPs Joyous event into a tag team match by going back in forth with the two of you. You do this all of the time, and it sickens me and that my dear is what is sad!

Plus Im sure that if you thought about it really really hard you would figure out what I mean by "not all puppies come from PM" or that " there are other reasons why litter of pups end up in local pet stores."

Have a great day ladies !

Thought pretty hard and nope still can't come up with a reason why any one other then people who don't care about there pups would let a pet store sell them..........

[BLowry]

Originally Posted by angelfaithwyngs

I'm not trying to be defensive but just like any other newbie in this community, I'm trying to educate myself and share the joy and the new found passion our family is experiencing now. If our puppies indeed came from a puppy mill, it's no difference from rescuing dogs of any breed. We're just happy we got them and we know for sure that they will have a good life with us as well as the puppies they will have - One big happy family!

Welcome to YT and your pups are ADORABLE!!!....If you bought your pups from a pet store they came from a mill....Breeding them should not be an option...as others have already said...you have NO idea of their back ground, liver shunt, luxtating patellas etc.....a female under 5 lbs should NOT be bred...although there are people out there that call themselves breeders that intentionally breed smaller females to get smaller pups and ask BIG money for them. I also bought my first girl with the intentions of breeding...In the past (several years ago) I bred goldens. Breeding goldens and breeding yorkies is a total different ball of wax! I did TONS of research on breeding yorkies after I got my girl...After reading all that can go wrong, including losing my girl and the expense that can come with vet bills (c-sections) I decided to leave it to the pros...I know...someone had to start breeding them or none of us would have them..but, I was NOT willing to lose my girl for the sake of having cute puppies running around my house.
Also...buying from a pet store is NOTHING like rescuing .....You really should google puppy mills and see how they live...DEPLORABLE conditions, kept in cages, sleeping in their own feces, wire cages where their paws are sliced up from walking on the wire, dirty, matted....I could go on and on...not to mention these dirt bags just keep breeding and breeding these poor females every heat...just for the sake of money. AND...buying from a pet store promotes puppy mills....you bought those 2 precious little pups to make room for 2 more....YT is an EXCELLENT place to learn about this breed. I am not yelling or reprimanding you by any means..we here at yt are very passionate about this breed...as I'm sure you already know that...if you do choose to breed these pups...I hope all goes well and you have beautiful healthy puppies....but, I would REALLY do TONS of research before you make your decision...

[BLowry]

Originally Posted by angelfaithwyngs

Thank you for all your responses.

I totally trust my vet - my husband!

Glad to hear your hubby is a vet!

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Im not going to get caught in the middle of a debate with you two. The two of you are like a tag team. It is just ridiculous and I have better things to do.

I refuse to let the two of you turn this thread Celebrating the OPs Joyous event into a tag team match by going back in forth with the two of you. You do this all of the time, and it sickens me and that my dear is what is sad!

Plus Im sure that if you thought about it really really hard you would figure out what I mean by "not all puppies come from PM" or that " there are other reasons why litter of pups end up in local pet stores."

Have a great day ladies !

...& what are those reasons??? It is a FACT that most if not all (99% like Brit posted) of the pups come from horrendous puppy mills or greedy back yard breeders. That's what makes me sick.

If dogs can talk, they would say: 'DO NOT BUY FROM PUPPY MILLS AND BYB! SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS! LOVE US AND PAMPER US FOR LIFE!'

OP, please go over the Sick & Injured section w/your vet hubby. Most of those dogs suffering from congenital illnesses are all products of bad breeding! You do not know what kind of 'HIDDEN' genetic markers that carry the bad genes that can be passed onto their pups are in your dogs...Please spay & neuter your pets. Love & pamper them for life.

GO tag team GO!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by angelfaithwyngs

Thank you Chachi...

Like I said, we like our yorkies to have puppies one time for our family to keep - meaning, my husband and I and my daughter. Not extended family and friends. We're too selfish to give them away.

Financially, we are prepared. Not to brag or anything but my husband is a vet and he had the same set of questions when he asked me if we want the pups neutered or spayed and if I'm prepared for it. The education is for myself but I know I will have a good support should I need it.

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I'm sorry what? Your husband is a veterinarian and doesn't know the connection between pet stores and puppymills? And he is ok with breeding them?

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Two Totally cute and adorable little squirts !!

Welcome to the YT community, your right this is a great place to learn and find information about almost anything. It's a place where you can learn lots of great stuff from good people who want what is best for the well bing and health of any dog theres or otherwise. Plus you'll get lots of opinions whether you ask for them or not. You certainly have your hands full with those two beautiful little Yorkies and I wish you all the best success with them.

Sometimes I think people try to scare someone out of buying from a pet store or breeding their animals. Not every pet store deals with puppy mills. Not ever birth goes horribly wrong and when it comes down to it, it is your decision. Just be sure you do your homework. Research and although sometimes hesitant, dont be afraid to ask the YT community.

I have gotten this excuse from many a pet shop owner. Give me the names of pet shops that dont buy from brokers such as the Hunte Corp. Pet shops treat their dogs like inventory, they buy them at wholesale prices and double, triple, or quadruple the cost to sell the the unassuming consumer. If a pet shop did not deal with brokers/puppymills where do they get their dogs? Please educate me if you think I am wrong.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Sorry, I refuse to get into any sort of back and forth conversation about this with you or anyone else for that madder. If I were going to consider getting a pup from a pet store I would do my research first. I in no way want to support PMs. All I will say is that there are other reasons why litter of pups end up in local pet stores. They are not all breed by greed mongrels.

All research on dogs from pet shops ends up with them being from puppymills. How do you know not all pups are from mills? Please don't tell me you sell the puppies you breed to pet shops?

[lovespandp]

The Op is going to do what she wants, to make this some debate thread is just silly.

- All I can say is do a lot of research on breeding, make sure you have all your ducks in a row when you make that choice-

Congrats on your babies they are adorable- Good luck to you-

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Im not going to get caught in the middle of a debate with you two. The two of you are like a tag team. It is just ridiculous and I have better things to do.

I refuse to let the two of you turn this thread Celebrating the OPs Joyous event into a tag team match by going back in forth with the two of you. You do this all of the time, and it sickens me and that my dear is what is sad!

Plus Im sure that if you thought about it really really hard you would figure out what I mean by "not all puppies come from PM" or that " there are other reasons why litter of pups end up in local pet stores."

Have a great day ladies !

I can understand why a litter of pups would end up in a local shelter, but pet shop? I don't think so. Seems to me you are defending this so much is perhaps you sell your puppies to your local pet shop? yes or no?

[1Ieisha]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I'm sorry what? Your husband is a veterinarian and doesn't know the connection between pet stores and puppymills? And he is ok with breeding them?

OP, you have really adorable babies, but it's really not the best idea to breed the two. I mean even if you you do get yourself educated the fact that these are puppymill dogs does not change. It's been said many times before that you most likely don't know the lines that either of these dogs come from...
I'm not jumping on you or anything, but the best thing to do would be to spay and neuter them, and love them for the rest of their lives.

[BLowry]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I'm sorry what? Your husband is a veterinarian and doesn't know the connection between pet stores and puppymills? And he is ok with breeding them?

This is what I was thinking but,didn't want to say it! LOL

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I can understand why a litter of pups would end up in a local shelter, but pet shop? I don't think so. Seems to me you are defending this so much is perhaps you sell your puppies to your local pet shop? yes or no?

Maybe not from where your from but, yes there are pet stores that take in unwanted litters of pups and sell them. There aren't any around here any more but there were.

Seems to me you are defending this so much is perhaps you sell your puppies to your local pet shop?

NO I dont' think so, never! I put a lot of time and effort into asking the right questions and into finding great homes for all of my pups. It is my goal to see to it that each family is the perfect fit and can handle the addition of a new pup to the mix. I do several interviews before even accepting a deposit to hold one of my pups.

Just to put this to rest I will tell you why some pups in pet stored are not always from puppy mills. It is because some are mixed breed pups that came from an every day home, where the family pet got nocked up by a stray dog or an un neutered house mate or however the pregnancy occurred.

Some of you took what I said and got all defensive. You didn't even consider the fact that what I said was possible that there could be another reason why pet shops have different types of pups in them. So, 'yes" Not all pet shops deal with pure breed dogs and not all of them come from puppy mills but, just irresponsible owners!

I have had pups from those type of pet store...both pure breed and not so I know.

[lovespandp]

That's the problem they cant put it to rest- they will continue to beat the dead horse over and over- Do not feel like you have to answer to anyone..

We will always have pet stores that sell puppies, we will always have millions of dogs in the shelter, we will always have people wanting to breed, A couple people on YT is not going to change that! If people really cared maybe they should go about it in a different way , maybe they should try to educate rather than making comments I have read on this thread!!









B]z[/B]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Maybe not from where your from but, yes there are pet stores that take in unwanted litters of pups and sell them. There aren't any around here any more but there were.



NO I dont' think so, never! I put a lot of time and effort into asking the right questions and into finding great homes for all of my pups. It is my goal to see to it that each family is the perfect fit and can handle the addition of a new pup to the mix. I do several interviews before even accepting a deposit to hold one of my pups.

Just to put this to rest I will tell you why some pups in pet stored are not always from puppy mills. It is because some are mixed breed pups that came from an every day home, where the family pet got nocked up by a stray dog or an un neutered house mate or however the pregnancy occurred.

Some of you took what I said and got all defensive. You didn't even consider the fact that what I said was possible that there could be another reason why pet shops have different types of pups in them. So, 'yes" Not all pet shops deal with pure breed dogs and not all of them come from puppy mills but, just irresponsible owners!

I have had pups from those type of pet store...both pure breed and not so I know.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

That's the problem they cant put it to rest- they will continue to beat the dead horse over and over- Do not feel like you have to answer to anyone..

We will always have pet stores that sell puppies, we will always have millions of dogs in the shelter, we will always have people wanting to breed, A couple people on YT is not going to change that! If people really cared maybe they should go about it in a different way , maybe they should try to educate rather than making comments I have read on this thread!!









B]z[/B]

You seriously think that one person can't ever make a difference? Look at all the people in history that fought for what they believed in and changed the way the world works. Too many even to start to name.

Why, after all you know, do you still stand behind pet shops? Didn't you buy Peanut from one? You used to be so proud that you saw pet shop after pet shop go out of business in Riverside Co. And now you are standing behind people who support them?

It may be a long and hard battle to get rid of puppymills and pet shops but that doesn't mean we should all just turn the other cheek and think we can't do anything about it!

Fact is, there are may on here to thought about breeding and changed their minds. I am one of them. To do research, proper research, would lead one to realize that you do not breed pet quality dogs.

THERE ARE TOO MANY PERFECTLY GOOD PETS THAT GET PUT DOWN EVERY YEAR DUE TO PEOPLE BREEDING THEIR PETS. End of story.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Maybe not from where your from but, yes there are pet stores that take in unwanted litters of pups and sell them. There aren't any around here any more but there were.



NO I dont' think so, never! I put a lot of time and effort into asking the right questions and into finding great homes for all of my pups. It is my goal to see to it that each family is the perfect fit and can handle the addition of a new pup to the mix. I do several interviews before even accepting a deposit to hold one of my pups.

Just to put this to rest I will tell you why some pups in pet stored are not always from puppy mills. It is because some are mixed breed pups that came from an every day home, where the family pet got nocked up by a stray dog or an un neutered house mate or however the pregnancy occurred.

Some of you took what I said and got all defensive. You didn't even consider the fact that what I said was possible that there could be another reason why pet shops have different types of pups in them. So, 'yes" Not all pet shops deal with pure breed dogs and not all of them come from puppy mills but, just irresponsible owners!

I have had pups from those type of pet store...both pure breed and not so I know.

Ok so then some pet shops get their dogs from backyard breeders! A person who has their pet have puppies even once makes them a backyard breeder. Even if by accident.

ETA: of course pet shops would take in unwanted pups, so they can make more money! Pay the family say, $100 and turn around and sell the pup for $600 with no papers? I've seen that here in my county as well. Mixed breed no paper pups going for $1000 even.