Whats the difference between a Chocolate, Biewer,and....

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by Txgurl06

im not sure if anyone has really answered my question fully lol! so i am just gonna do some pming and ask admin to close this thread!

how do i go about doing this?

Sorry if you are frustrated...if you need help with breeders names I know a few on here....just PM me....I can only give you the ones that have helped me out and been VERY nice and full of tact.

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by diggy4

I have heard good things about you! And i was told you sell for standard prices so when I break my piggy bank Im calling you!! lol I would be interested in more info on your fur buts so PM if you have info you would like to Im not interested in a baby right now as Diggy is 6 months and much more than "just a boy" ugggg he's in the hey look I can hike phase and loves to show it off (in and out of the house) lol

you would be welcome to see any dogs i might would have for sale but i dont breed all the time my four year old choc has only had one litter last christmas and well it will be a year or more before carmella is even considered but i do know other liver and tan and choc. people that just love the color as opposed to the same ol blk and gold everyone has one of those now days. alot of people want something of there own the chocolates are my thing. thank you email me anytime wildnet@yahoo.com

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

totally wrong colours should be sold for much less than the true YOrkie colour in my opinion.
As for pedigrees, my pet puppies are sold for the same price as they all have many championships in their pedigree at least 75% if not more. I don't have pedigrees with little or no champions. I wouldn't be breeding them if they were like that.
If I were selling a show dog that is a different story. I have no idea what I sell them for because I don't sell show dogs. I have had some pretty nice dogs sold for pet spay/neutered because of that.

thank you very much lol this is kind of what i wanted to know!!! thanks again

[Txgurl06]

Admin will you close this thread please!! im sorry!

i guess i will try this lol

[BabyFidgette]

I know that Partis/Biewers are missing a gene called the Piebald gene, which gives them their color. I'm not sure what's missing from the Chocolate, but notice that it doesn't have that black color around his eyes?

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

I know that Partis/Biewers are missing a gene called the Piebald gene, which gives them their color. I'm not sure what's missing from the Chocolate, but notice that it doesn't have that black color around his eyes?

i thought they were carriers of the pie bald...they are missing it??

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by diggy4

i thought they were carriers of the pie bald...they are missing it??

Oh crap, I think so! LOLOL Now I have to go check!

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by diggy4

i thought they were carriers of the pie bald...they are missing it??

Yes, I think you are right. SORRY!

[diggy4]

lol close enough I was thinking hmmm did i have this backwards??? lol

[yorkiekist]

Sorry, I didnt meen to come off mean spirited. But, I just dont understand why some breeders cant breed to the standard of the breed, which soes not include designer colors. There is only one thing in common in these colors: they are a fault and should not be bred or purposely produced. Chocolate Pugs anyone???LOL

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Sorry, I didnt meen to come off mean spirited. But, I just dont understand why some breeders cant breed to the standard of the breed, which soes not include designer colors. There is only one thing in common in these colors: they are a fault and should not be bred or purposely produced. Chocolate Pugs anyone???LOL

But why does color have to be a "fault?" Because the AKC says so? If next year the Biewer or Chocolate becomes recognized then people will start breeding these dogs even more and charging an arm and a leg (more than they already are). To me, faults should be something like bone structure (i.e. roached back). But, that's just me.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

But why does color have to be a "fault?" Because the AKC says so? If next year the Biewer or Chocolate becomes recognized then people will start breeding these dogs even more and charging an arm and a leg (more than they already are). To me, faults should be something like bone structure (i.e. roached back). But, that's just me.

No not he AKC, the parent Club for the YOrkshire Terrier comprised of Yorkie showbreeders that are fanciers of the breed immersed themselves in the breed show their dogs and know what a Yorkie should and shouldn't look like. Colour plays a large part in the breed and ifyou look at the breed standards for other breeds that is also true of some of the other breeds as well where only certain colouring is allowed.

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

No not he AKC, the parent Club for the YOrkshire Terrier comprised of Yorkie showbreeders that are fanciers of the breed immersed themselves in the breed show their dogs and know what a Yorkie should and shouldn't look like. Colour plays a large part in the breed and ifyou look at the breed standards for other breeds that is also true of some of the other breeds as well where only certain colouring is allowed.

Thanks for the explanation. But why is it "okay" for other breeds to have different color variants, but not the Yorkie? I'm being serious, not sarcastic.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Thanks for the explanation. But why is it "okay" for other breeds to have different color variants, but not the Yorkie? I'm being serious, not sarcastic.

I know it is confusing and it is the confusion that leads to people not quite understanding about colour in some breeds.
For example, Poms at one time were pretty much only the orange we all remember seeing. Other colours started showing up more and more. The parent Club for the Pomeranian did not close that door on colour and now any colour goes. There are many long time Pom breeders taht are not happy about it but not much can be done now it is too late. Some colours they feel are sure they are the result of crossing but are now stuck with it.
The Miniature Pinscher were traditionally the red colour. An old time breeder freind of mine told me the black and tan colour in the Minpin was the result of crossing with the Manchester Terrier. This was many years ago. Again the parent club did not close that door either.
However, about 30 years ago, a breeder here in my area of German Shorthair pointers was trying to get the black and white German Shorthairs recognized. A German Shorthair is Liver and white with ticking. The parent club for the German Shorthair put a stop to it. The black and white German Shorthair is an unacceptable colour although they can appear in a litter, they again are not something to be bred for and to this day, 30 years later breeders do not breed for black and white and you will not see them in the show rings.
The Yorkie has been bred with the intention that it is to be a steel blue and tan or gold is acceptable as well. Steel blue is the saddle part, legs head are tan etc. Well, you know the standard.
Chocolate gene actually is carried in the Yorkie but is a recessive gene meaning both parents have to be carriers or at least one is a chocolate. So even though the colour is there just as in the Black and White GErman Shorthair, it is unacceptable for the breed standard.

[kathy785]

We need to remember that the yorkie was not always around either. It was a "developed" breed too. I am sure that the breeders of the dogs that were crossed to produce yorkies were not happy about the other breeders not breeding to standard either.