Chocolate Show Dog!!!!!!

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

I posted this on another thread and thought i would post here as well please don't bash me.............

Ok all this drama on these threads really needs to stop yes we all have a right to our own opinion but we also have the right to say them in a respectable and educational way with class and TACT.... with that being said i feel that this is what everyone is trying to get across...

1. Yorkies have a standard set by the YTCA and AKC the standard is to protect and improve the breed and show breeders strive to better the breed by keeping to the standard set

2. Other breeder would like the chocolate, parti and other colors recognized so they could show and breed freely

MPO....... I don't think that chocolates should be able to be show as a yorkie if they are to be recognized it should be their own breed like the Biewer has done. Chocolates and other colors are not the standard for this breed. Yes they are beautiful yes they are wonderful pets and maybe show quality in their own set catagory.

You can't compare a chocolate or anyother color against the standard of what a yorkie is supposed to be so why would you want to have them in the same catagory with them?? Why not set out to make their own place?

I am not trying to start a war nor am i taking sides

That is very good. You see i dont care if they call them yorkies just the fact that they come frome yorkies is why they are called that. They could give them there own name colors and standard to which us breeders could compete with each others chocolates in our own class and we would be happy . Im sure i would. I dont want to compete against the blk and gold i just want my babie to be judged fairly and responsibly as to know which bloodlines i should carry own . I dont know that i will breed another litter i had one that was my goal i showed one that was another. people said i couldnt and i did. Sorry im not one to just lay down. this girl has a point why cant breeders and showers get along why all the drama one little dog got a little red ribbon and you act like i committed a crime. her hair her body structure height head tail and all were great even quality of hair was right but color was a fault i knew going in i wasnt gonna win even being the only bitch in the ring . I just wanted the judge to comment on her tell me what she thought same as most who want to show there dogs i dont care if they call them a yorkie i didnt set the standards people years ago did i just want to show my dog in peace thank you

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

You show me one reason why a black and gold is more important than a chocolate or liver and maybe i will leave it to YOU people

Black & gold will soon be a dq as well so it's not more important (as your words). The only colors that will be allowed to be shown is STEEL blue and tan.

[Mardelin]

Here is the DQ

Any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above (meaning described in the standard). Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1" at its longest dimension.

Effective October 1

[littlewhip]

Im trying to keep up with you all, but wow iam getting so i like yt for all the education that comes with it, so many threads about colors and still im in the dark I only have tradional colors but i love looking at all the colors, they are all so beautiful in there own way Im going to keep trying to folllow you all here so Im able to understand more & more

[Wendyk]

Here is my Chocolate, she is a under the covers kind of dog, or a cover hog.... I had more pics but I couldn't get them to load.

Originally Posted by kelleykrack

i know i would love to see her. im sure shannette would too..i dont think she is on anymore, but i will call her later and let her know to be checking back. Some of these on here talk soo much about back yard breeders and puppy mills..yes, i hate them too...but what about the ones on here that have tons of dogs and breed them then sell the pups for over $2000 or more?? is that not just as wrong?? I have 2 "standard" yorkies..shanette has 2chocolates..they all stay in the house..mine sleep in the bed with me, im thinking hers do too...

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

I posted this on another thread and thought i would post here as well please don't bash me.............

Ok all this drama on these threads really needs to stop yes we all have a right to our own opinion but we also have the right to say them in a respectable and educational way with class and TACT.... with that being said i feel that this is what everyone is trying to get across...

1. Yorkies have a standard set by the YTCA and AKC the standard is to protect and improve the breed and show breeders strive to better the breed by keeping to the standard set

2. Other breeder would like the chocolate, parti and other colors recognized so they could show and breed freely

MPO....... I don't think that chocolates should be able to be show as a yorkie if they are to be recognized it should be their own breed like the Biewer has done. Chocolates and other colors are not the standard for this breed. Yes they are beautiful yes they are wonderful pets and maybe show quality in their own set catagory.

You can't compare a chocolate or anyother color against the standard of what a yorkie is supposed to be so why would you want to have them in the same catagory with them?? Why not set out to make their own place?

I am not trying to start a war nor am i taking sides

That is very good. You see i dont care if they call them yorkies just the fact that they come frome yorkies is why they are called that. They could give them there own name colors and standard to which us breeders could compete with each others chocolates in our own class and we would be happy . Im sure i would. I dont want to compete against the blk and gold i just want my babie to be judged fairly and responsibly as to know which bloodlines i should carry own . I dont know that i will breed another litter i had one that was my goal i showed one that was another. people said i couldnt and i did. Sorry im not one to just lay down. this girl has a point why cant breeders and showers get along why all the drama one little dog got a little red ribbon and you act like i committed a crime. her hair her body structure height head tail and all were great even quality of hair was right but color was a fault i knew going in i wasnt gonna win even being the only bitch in the ring . I just wanted the judge to comment on her tell me what she thought same as most who want to show there dogs i dont care if they call them a yorkie i didnt set the standards people years ago did i just want to show my dog in peace thank you

[GG3]

Congrats to all dogs in the show

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

Well, nothing can stop the unethical backyard breeders from trying to destroy the breed with dogs such as these but at least YTCA stopped them from ever being able to be shown in an AKC show after 10/1.

... and sadly, they'll also be stopping the black coated dogs who were once showing and winning champion status.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Here is the DQ

Any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above (meaning described in the standard). Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1" at its longest dimension.

Effective October 1

Thanks you are a plethera of knowledge!

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by Wendyk

Here is my Chocolate, she is a under the covers kind of dog, or a cover hog.... I had more pics but I couldn't get them to load.

thank you for posting they are georgious i love all animals i guess thats why my heart went out to this breed when i found out the history behind them. Love them with all your heart dont worry bout what anyone says negative here alot of them dont know what they are talking about and the ones that think they do well let them think what they want they are beutiful and precious dogs and we should all treasure each and every one thank you for your pics.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

if her hair her body structure height head tail and all were great even quality of hair was right but color was a fault i knew going in i wasnt gonna win even being the only bitch in the ring . I just wanted the judge to comment on her tell me what she thought same as most who want to show there dogs i dont care if they call them a yorkie i didnt set the standards people years ago did i just want to show my dog in peace thank you

Great you wanted a judge to go over your dog. However, as exhibitors it is our RESPONSIBILITY to take the judges, the best representation of the breed.

[shannette barbe]

so everyone can agree the choc. /liver and tan is a flaw doesnt mean the whole dog is bad blk and tans have flaws or dsq too.

COLOR
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are mature. The mature coat color occurs gradually; therefore, puppies should not be faulted for lack of color change until they are two years old. The colors in adult dogs are:
BLUE - a dark steel blue.
TAN - All tan hairs are darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to a still lighter tan at the tips.
On the body, the dark steel blue extends over the body, from the back of the head to the root of the tail. The headfall is a rich golden tan, deeper in color at the sides of the head, at the ear roots and on the muzzle, with the ears being a deep rich tan. The tan color should not extend down the back of the neck.
The hair on the chest and legs is, a bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs or above the stifle on the hind legs.
Faults: In adult dogs, fawn or bronze hairs mingling with silver-blue color. Sooty or black hair intermingled with the tan.
Disqualifications: Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism.

I did a review of a few Yorkshire Terrier breed standards, and cannot find where the Live and Tan are accepted anywhere in the world. In fact, in the FCI, any dogs with physical abnormalities (which would include color) are to be disqualified.

You are welcome to send us a proposal, accompanied by documentation, and we would review it.



Vicki Rand, Editor
UKC Publications
United Kennel Club, Inc.
Your Total Dog Registry Since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com


shannette barbee <wildnet@yahoo.com>
09/24/2007 09:23 AM
To vrand@UKCdogs.com
cc
Subject liver and tan Yorkies







Hi Mrs Rand
My name is Shannette Barbee. Saterday i took two of my AKC Liver and Tan Yorkies to your show in Hickory. I got the temp # to show them and was told there is no disqualification for the liver color.
But when the judge went to check the standard the only color listed was the black or blue steel color. So she really didnt know what to do i dont think.
As years have gone by since liver and tan and choc yorkies as well as tri colors have been being registered with AKC and UKC which i prefer UKC myself. I was wondering why there isnt a revision for the other colors as far as standards for the judges to compare and judge properly.
The Standard does day that disqualification is when a color has been artificially altered or albinism. Which in my dogs case niether was done. but at the same time haveing never seen one or haveing standard in writing for them the judge was confused as to what to do. Im simply writing to ask you what do i need to do to help with this problem. How do we get this revised so that these beutiful dogs that are being registered can now be judged so that us Refurbishers of these lines can get judged on which lines we should continue with to get the optimal dogs. IF we cant get them judged properly we have no way of knowing which lines are better to continue our breeding . We simply want recognition in the standards so that we can get judge feedback. I hope you can help me with this. This was my first show and i was treated with great respect and the judges were very helpfull but at same time in awww and confused as to how to judge them. Please help im very open to suggestions have been working for over 10 years on this particular color to stop mutulation and the culling out of this color. Breeders were discarding these pups at birth because they werent recognized. WE now have recognition without standard. Help please
thank you
shannette barbee

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great you wanted a judge to go over your dog. However, as exhibitors it is our RESPONSIBILITY to take the judges, the best representation of the breed.

Mam i took the best dog i had to represent the quality of dog i like thats all i did

[Shelby&Seymour]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

I just got an email and don't have all the particulars as of yet, but one of my female chocolate Yorkies puppies from a previous litter took 2nd in best bitch in a UKC show. Here is an earlier picture. Will give more details as I learn them. She is the one on the left in this picture.

I am glad that you are enjoying your chocolate colored Yorkie. I am sure that you had fun showing!! She is a cutie. And congratulations is in order!!

I don't have "a dog in this fight" but I believe that we should be happy for you........ regardless of our personal opinions ( and I think many of us are glad you did so well!!)
There are many Yorkie breeders who are so dedicated to the breed which is wonderful......... that dedication is what has made the Yorkie such an awesome little dog. I, personally will stick with Yorkies as close to the standard as possible (including color)..... even though my babies are pet quality. They are a little over weight (that is changing with diet.... MY FAULT) . Please understand their passion..... we really need to give them a little bit of understanding for their "steadfast dedication" and concern for the breed. ....................... and maybe excuse some for not being able to express it so well.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

Mam i took the best dog i had to represent the quality of dog i like thats all i did

I understand your personal preferance for this color. However, because of the coat color, which is the yorkies shinning glory, it isn't acceptable for show.

As was stated by a previous poster....being awarded the red ribbon was a kind way of the judge telling you just that.