Chocolate Show Dog!!!!!!

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Thank you for the compliment and to be frankly honest I can't in good conscience congratulate a win when they and I both know it was done on purpose and not within the standard. I would voice my opinion/concerns to a show breeder/exhibitor of any kind not just someone that shows a chocolate. I only commented when I saw others comment towards the standard. If all this person got was congratulations I would have kept my big mouth shut LOL If someone wants a title on a yorkie that is not within the standard they should be trying obedience or agility because color doesn't matter. I get just as much frustrated with a judge who doesn't judge within the standard the way it is written but with AKC rules I can't approach a judge and give my opinion in fear of a bench committee being called so therefore all I can do is find the AKC rep and voice my concerns that way. This is however, a public fourm and I will always try and keep my comments in a positive light. Education is of the utmost importance and if I don't at least try then I haven't done my job
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

as i have stated didnt go to win just went to see other than color how my baby girl measured up. She is beutiful and her only fault was she was chocolate im sure many of you have showed the standards with there faults i seen alot of neet tricks at my first dog show with alot of different breeds i did nothing wrong except get a judges opinion of my dog and that is all i wanted. i do not want to continue a line if the dogs is not of good status whether the color was right for ya'll or not isnt the point I wondered if she was a show quality dog despite her flaw and well i got my answer she is second best. and thats fine with me have a great time with your standards i think further ahead than that

[kelleykrack]

Originally Posted by fannie

I definitely didn't mean anything sinister by it. I honestly wanted to know. If you don't want to answer. That's ok.

She was the only 1 in the ring...if you were being honest and not fishing for more info to hurt with then i am truly sorry for the comment, but so many on here are trash talking a beautiful variety of yorkies and im gettting tired of it...

[drawlins27]

I do not breed or show Yorkies but find this topic very interesting. I am wondering, do you know why this judge decided to allow you to show her and does this set any kind of precedent going forward? I guess what I'm trying to ask is what exactly does this decision mean long term? Will this make it easier to show the chocolates in the future?

[kelleykrack]

Originally Posted by drawlins27

I do not breed or show Yorkies but find this topic very interesting. I am wondering, do you know why this judge decided to allow you to show her and does this set any kind of precedent going forward?

She allowed her to show because there is nothing in the standards that says she cannot step foot in the ring. She recieved 2nd because the judge thought that the dog was deserving of first but couldnt give her first because of the color fault...yes it does set a precedent...she is working to set a standard with UKC for this coloring..

[drawlins27]

Originally Posted by kelleykrack

She allowed her to show because there is nothing in the standards that says she cannot step foot in the ring. She recieved 2nd because the judge thought that the dog was deserving of first but couldnt give her first because of the color fault...yes it does set a precedent...she is working to set a standard with UKC for this coloring..

Thanks for helping me understand.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by kelleykrack

She was the only 1 in the ring...if you were being honest and not fishing for more info to hurt with then i am truly sorry for the comment, but so many on here are trash talking a beautiful variety of yorkies and im gettting tired of it...

I was certainly not fishing but please call it what it is, a color anomaly not a "variety".

The thing about this that upsets me most is that I am assuming from reading the owners posts is that she will be breeding this dog now. This is wrong on so many levels, but most importantly for the future and to maintain the integrity of the yorkshire terrier breed.
I am not putting your little dog down, I just cannot wrap my mind around what exactly you think needs to be reproduced. Enjoy your pet but leave breeding the yorkie to the people who will continue to strive to better the breed.

[celstu1]

ooooohhhhh she is sooooo CUTE!!! I just love her!

[kelleykrack]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I was certainly not fishing but please call it what it is, a color anomaly not a "variety".

The thing about this that upsets me most is that I am assuming from reading the owners posts is that she will be breeding this dog now. This is wrong on so many levels, but most importantly for the future and to maintain the integrity of the yorkshire terrier breed.
I am not putting your little dog down, I just cannot wrap my mind around what exactly you think needs to be reproduced. Enjoy your pet but leave breeding the yorkie to the people who will continue to strive to better the breed.

all i have to say is please do some research on the history of yorkies...you would be surprised! please keep putting her pup down...
there are not too many breeders of chocolate yorkies...i do not breed them because i do not feel like i know all that i need to know about the chocolates to do so...mine are the "standard" color...
she breeds what she loves and has researched the history extensively!

this is to everyone who has the "chip" on their shoulder about this...try listening sometime instead of thinking yall are always right (this is not to eveyone, just to those few on here that have gotten nasty and hateful) the way some are acting is almost like they hate choc labs, choc poodles, choc anything....there are varieties of many breeds...the standards have just not been set for this VARIETY of yorkie yet!

[Wendyk]

It is very good that you were here to defend yourself as one day a few months back a dozen or so YT ladies had fun time at my expence. I love all Yorkies but esp. the Chocolates. One of the girls in fact e-mailed me and then quoted what I had said on here but not quoting what she had wrote me. I was surfing and found the awful things that were being said about me and like I said I was not even here to defend my self. I have beautiful, healthy Yorkies and a refrence list all over the US. I am not able to show my dogs at this time as I have 3 human children that are all in numerous activities but my goal is to show all of my beautiful babies, even Chocolates if allowed, and I hope that they are allowed and I think that they will be. I just never knew people felt this way about them until I recieved my first hate e-mail and it was from someone on YT. (and she was bragging about it) After that several others chimed in and started in that I must be a byb and a puppy mill, I can assure all of them I am neither. Byb's and puppy mills don't invite people to thier homes to see thier dogs.

Congrats!!!!
I will try to get a recent pic. of my Chocolate if you would care to see her. Good luck and I hope people just learn to love everybody and be nice.

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

First of all i never started out breeding chocolates the only yorkie i had was a 5 lb female never showed her but the lady that mentored me for years would tell stories of these horried show breeders that would cull out the red ones and that my baby was a black and gold out of a litter that was murdered. I spent several years getting this line and another getting ch. lines in with them Refurbishing this almost extinct line because people in The big shows say they arent worthy. Well They are mine I feel they are worthy and anyone who doesnt can keep there opinions to there selves im not a back yard breeder im a loveing person who cared enough to stop the mutalation of a breed man created to start with. which most dogs are mutations of some sorts using this and that the actual standard of a yorkie is a mutation of several breeds and the red gene is in your precious black and golds as well its just not dominate in them. In my line it is. I only have two females both are chocolate and i have produced one litter of chocolates in ten years so say what you want you dont know me or anything about the chocolate line or you and obviously dont care about mutalation of a breed. whether recognized by a club or just a human they deserve recognition breeders for show mixing breeds is what caused it so who are you to say i did something wrong? if you have ever bread you dog does that make you a back yard breeder or wait do you have a large kennel of 40 dogs like alot of you. Dont judge me

[kelleykrack]

Originally Posted by Wendyk

It is very good that you were here to defend yourself as one day a few months back a dozen or so YT ladies had fun time at my expence. I love all Yorkies but esp. the Chocolates. One of the girls in fact e-mailed me and then quoted what I had said on here but not quoting what she had wrote me. I was surfing and found the awful things that were being said about me and like I said I was not even here to defend my self. I have beautiful, healthy Yorkies and a refrence list all over the US. I am not able to show my dogs at this time as I have 3 human children that are all in numerous activities but my goal is to show all of my beautiful babies, even Chocolates if allowed, and I hope that they are allowed and I think that they will be. I just never knew people felt this way about them until I recieved my first hate e-mail and it was from someone on YT. (and she was bragging about it) After that several others chimed in and started in that I must be a byb and a puppy mill, I can assure all of them I am neither. Byb's and puppy mills don't invite people to thier homes to see thier dogs.

Congrats!!!!
I will try to get a recent pic. of my Chocolate if you would care to see her. Good luck and I hope people just learn to love everybody and be nice.

i know i would love to see her. im sure shannette would too..i dont think she is on anymore, but i will call her later and let her know to be checking back. Some of these on here talk soo much about back yard breeders and puppy mills..yes, i hate them too...but what about the ones on here that have tons of dogs and breed them then sell the pups for over $2000 or more?? is that not just as wrong?? I have 2 "standard" yorkies..shanette has 2chocolates..they all stay in the house..mine sleep in the bed with me, im thinking hers do too...

[Wendyk]

Well I have seven...Since I stay at home it works out but if I weren't here I couldn't have that many. I do not know how people take care of big numbers and claim to be good breeders. I do ask good prices for mine but I have found that if I ask better prices I get it, and my dogs go to better homes. It takes a lot to take proper care of them. Besides that i think they are worth it and so have all of my new families. They always come back for another......

[Amber_lv]

I posted this on another thread and thought i would post here as well please don't bash me.............

Ok all this drama on these threads really needs to stop yes we all have a right to our own opinion but we also have the right to say them in a respectable and educational way with class and TACT.... with that being said i feel that this is what everyone is trying to get across...

1. Yorkies have a standard set by the YTCA and AKC the standard is to protect and improve the breed and show breeders strive to better the breed by keeping to the standard set

2. Other breeder would like the chocolate, parti and other colors recognized so they could show and breed freely

MPO....... I don't think that chocolates should be able to be show as a yorkie if they are to be recognized it should be their own breed like the Biewer has done. Chocolates and other colors are not the standard for this breed. Yes they are beautiful yes they are wonderful pets and maybe show quality in their own set catagory.

You can't compare a chocolate or anyother color against the standard of what a yorkie is supposed to be so why would you want to have them in the same catagory with them?? Why not set out to make their own place?

I am not trying to start a war nor am i taking sides

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by kelleykrack

She allowed her to show because there is nothing in the standards that says she cannot step foot in the ring. She recieved 2nd because the judge thought that the dog was deserving of first but couldnt give her first because of the color fault...yes it does set a precedent...she is working to set a standard with UKC for this coloring..

Getting a second place ribbon with no first place being awarded because you were the only one in, does not mean the dog got second place. What it does mean is that the ribbon was withheld meaning the dog or bitch was not worthy of winning its class. She likely did not excuse if from the ring because it is not considered a DQ yet although I did see a judge last year excuse a brindle Pug from the ring here in Canada for wrong colour although brindle in PUgs is not yet a DQ but the Pug Club of Canada is in the process of closing that door so brindle will be a dq. The judge was an FCI judge from Basil a very experience well known judge. It is under the FCI that Europe UK and South America and I believe Mexico Kennel Clubs operate.
I have my sincere doubts it was knowlegable judges that would have withheld a ribbon and then said it was indeed a great Yorkie. They may have said in structure in other points it was fine but the colour is a severe fault enough of one to withhold a ribbon.
In the show world withholding a ribbon is considered to be a way of saying the dog should not be in the ring.
SOrry but that is the way it is if you know the show world which I keep telling people if you are going to breed, be part of it and know your breed.

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I was certainly not fishing but please call it what it is, a color anomaly not a "variety".

The thing about this that upsets me most is that I am assuming from reading the owners posts is that she will be breeding this dog now. This is wrong on so many levels, but most importantly for the future and to maintain the integrity of the yorkshire terrier breed.
I am not putting your little dog down, I just cannot wrap my mind around what exactly you think needs to be reproduced. Enjoy your pet but leave breeding the yorkie to the people who will continue to strive to better the breed.

You show me one reason why a black and gold is more important than a chocolate or liver and maybe i will leave it to YOU people

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

You show me one reason why a black and gold is more important than a chocolate or liver and maybe i will leave it to YOU people

Black and gold are no longer accepted colors either