Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391318)

I can still put the choc/liver in other events im gonna get attention for this breed one way or the other. So bashing me or this breed is just a waste of time
im sure in time there will be many more competing if not in ring in other parts of shows i dont need a judge to tell me my dog is healthy and pretty i know they are they are also smart and energetic and can do more than walk around a ring and look pretty


no offense intended just passionate and persistant thnks

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391340)

simply for recognition and education and competition to put this breed out there for the public to decide if they want or like them or not and basically to have fun with them just as others that compete do. Most people have never even seen one

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1391339)

Ok I'm gonna chime in one more time....No one is saying she didn't go to the show we are all pretty sure the dog was shown. If you know the standard and you know the dog is incorrect why take it in the ring is the point of all this. I pet out dogs with faults. No dog is going to be perfect but if you take in a dog with an "OBIVIOUS" fault then you don't care about the representation of the breed. All yorkies are pretty! Some are pets and some are show dogs. Show breeders are only asking and trying to educate on is that you show the best representation of the breed and go by what the standard is saying that means "no chocolate" because it's not the steel blue it's calling for in the standard. Almost every show breeder has pet quality puppies in a litter and if something is way off you spay and place that yorkie into a loving and caring home as such as any of you. I know show breeders that take dogs in the ring all the time that shouldn't be in the ring and that's why you have so many that are on YT that get frustrated with taking in those that don't fit the standard in the ring and are so passionate about it. All we are asking is educate yourself and if you know it's not up to standard why do it? Again, just like children you want them to follow the rules but how can you expect them too when the adults can't!
JMHO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391359)

The day before the show i called for temp #.s and ask was liver or choc a dsq and the lady said it did not state that color as a dsq but they did have a standard so i took a chance my first show i didnt do it to be rebellous i did it because i want this line in the public eye and educated that they re just as good as pets as your show quality dogs. nothing more i just did it no
regrets and i would do it again. ukc allowed her in the ring so where was the proffesional when i ask if she could show or not. no one told me i couldnt show her. NO ONE actually i was invited because someone seen my dog. thank you

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391359)

The day before the show i called for temp #.s and ask was liver or choc a dsq and the lady said it did not state that color as a dsq but they did have a standard so i took a chance my first show i didnt do it to be rebellous i did it because i want this line in the public eye and educated that they re just as good as pets as your show quality dogs. nothing more i just did it no
regrets and i would do it again. ukc allowed her in the ring so where was the proffesional when i ask if she could show or not. no one told me i couldnt show her. NO ONE actually i was invited because someone seen my dog. thank you

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1391339)

Ok I'm gonna chime in one more time....No one is saying she didn't go to the show we are all pretty sure the dog was shown. If you know the standard and you know the dog is incorrect why take it in the ring is the point of all this. I pet out dogs with faults. No dog is going to be perfect but if you take in a dog with an "OBIVIOUS" fault then you don't care about the representation of the breed. All yorkies are pretty! Some are pets and some are show dogs. Show breeders are only asking and trying to educate on is that you show the best representation of the breed and go by what the standard is saying that means "no chocolate" because it's not the steel blue it's calling for in the standard. Almost every show breeder has pet quality puppies in a litter and if something is way off you spay and place that yorkie into a loving and caring home as such as any of you. I know show breeders that take dogs in the ring all the time that shouldn't be in the ring and that's why you have so many that are on YT that get frustrated with taking in those that don't fit the standard in the ring and are so passionate about it. All we are asking is educate yourself and if you know it's not up to standard why do it? Again, just like children you want them to follow the rules but how can you expect them too when the adults can't!
JMHO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1391367)

You should have asked me and I would have told you it wasn't the correct color :)

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 1391383)

Before I start, please know that I am no way trying to argue with you. :p

Okay, something I never understood...why is it that people think what the AKC writes is the law? "Laws" can be changed and deviated from. I mean, I just read on their site that the Yorkie was a mixture of a few dogs and was first brought into the ring as a broken haired Scotch Terrier. Now, good thing these people were mixing breeds and brought this particular dog into the ring being a "mutt/variety" or else the Yorkshire Terrier might not be around today. I'm sure the miners weren't professional show breeders. They mixed the dogs and they were about 20lbs. Then shouldn't a 20lb Yorkie be the standard? I'm sure people who breed Yorkies back then were po'ed when these little toys started entering the ring. Who said they had to be 4-7lbs? :confused:

My point is this, the Yorkshire Terrier is a beautiful dog, no matter what color he is. If people want to strive for different colors of the Yorkie to be recognized, I don't think there should be a problem, but of course, there will always be a problem. Reputable show breeders can still breed beautiful blue and gold Yorkshire Terriers, that won't change. But some want to see the parti and the chocolate to be recognized too. They will never take the beauty away from the "original" Yorkshire Terrier.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1391369)

No one will tell you, you can't show the dog....they'll do what they did withhold the ribbon.

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391340)

simply for recognition and education and competition to put this breed out there for the public to decide if they want or like them or not and basically to have fun with them just as others that compete do. Most people have never even seen one

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1391406)

But this is not a "breed." It is still a Yorkie, not a new, unheard of "breed" of dog...so what you are saying really makes no sense. To educate who? Who are you trying to teach? By all means, have fun--everyone has a right to that--I just dont' understand 'who' you are trying to prove something to and what point you are trying to prove?:confused:

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1391399)

So...I just read this whole thread...and the conclusion is that the dog didn't even really win anything at the show?? Since the judge didn't DQ it and it was the only dog at the show, they just gave it the lowest award they could?

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391411)

the judge approached me said i cant give you first place because there is no standard for your color and handed me a second place ribbon no points nothing else was just fun for me and my dog didnt hurt anyone and didnt change anything with the standard of any yorkies or put any qualifying standards below her. we did nothing wrong no standard yorkie was beneath her

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 1391410)

She's probably unsure of the "proper" term since people are getting annoyed at the term "variety". :confused:

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391401)

um i got a ribbon it wasnt withheld i got second because i had a different color but i did get a second place ribbon my dog had one fault color other than that she was great

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391385)

commended me for bringing back a dying breed of the yorkie

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1391419)

read the reply from UKC

Dear Kimberly,

I was made aware of this today.

Yes, apparently one did compete. We do not have a show report in yet, so I can't say what the award was that the dog was given, if any.

There are no DQ's in Yorkies (in UKC or AKC) so a dog of that color couldn't be disqualified for being an off color. In order to be disqualified, there has to be a specific disqualification listed.

When I received your email I was on the phone with one of the judges from the weekend. She called me about the dog, and she said she had withheld awards, which would be the correct action, I feel, as the standard is quite specific regarding the color. Because no mention is made of the off color as a DQ, the judge should treat it as a fault and penalize the exhibit accordingly. In a standard so heavily weighted towards color, in my opinion withholding would be the best course of action.

If I can be of any more assistance, please let me know.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391385)

Im not stupid i know her color is not popular but i ask a ukc rep
Had i known you were one i might would have asked you seein how i am new to all this showing i did what i was told i could do nothing more or less i did nothing wrong and alot of people at the show commended me for bringing back a dying breed of the yorkie and 3 of them were judges so if you dont want them in your little ring show thats fine i dont really care i just want people to see them for what they are Dogs breeders for show lines created and then tossed aside because they werent there standard. Well they are my standard and i wont them out there for the public. im not trying to be rude or smartmouth but i dont understand again why do you even care what i did with my dog and how exactly does it affect you

Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1391424)

I do have to wonder though...if there would have been more dogs shown (standard), would you still have gotten second?

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1391427)

I am really trying to understand where you are coming from, and I think it is just confusing me more. How is a chocolate a 'dying breed of the yorkie.' In order for it to be a dying variation/breed/color, etc, that means it would have had to have been widespread and well recognized first--when was that? How can something be a dying breed if it was never recognized to begin with?:confused:

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1391435)

That's what I'm wondering too...

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391428)

again why do you care was your dog there did i beet your dog no did i win anymoney honors nothing why is it you care what or why i was there and my dog i dont get you so what now you want me to mail them there little ribbon back or what this is rediculous ya'll just cant stand it cause someone else tried something new i guess. scared someone gonna make a difference

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391440)

i have no idea really all i know is they were murdered out because of color which is wrong either way you look at it. if they said no poodles but black and white does that mean all the poodle breeders will start killing the reds and blue's creams how do you stop something like that without getting the word out and getting recognition it is a breed recognized or not by these corporate kennel clubs. it lives and loves and is a living thing that shouldnt be destroyed there is no cause for it. there is nothing wrong with these dogs except they have a different colored coat. that is not worth them being murdered and pushed away from social groups and shows

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391428)

again why do you care was your dog there did i beet your dog no did i win anymoney honors nothing why is it you care what or why i was there and my dog i dont get you so what now you want me to mail them there little ribbon back or what this is rediculous ya'll just cant stand it cause someone else tried something new i guess. scared someone gonna make a difference

Originally Posted by shannette barbe (Post 1391440)

i have no idea really all i know is they were murdered out because of color which is wrong either way you look at it. if they said no poodles but black and white does that mean all the poodle breeders will start killing the reds and blue's creams how do you stop something like that without getting the word out and getting recognition it is a breed recognized or not by these corporate kennel clubs. it lives and loves and is a living thing that shouldnt be destroyed there is no cause for it. there is nothing wrong with these dogs except they have a different colored coat. that is not worth them being murdered and pushed away from social groups and shows

Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1391444)

Nothing to do with dogs, but what the heck...same thing just different scenario...

Daughter is part of a competitive cheer squad that has a chance to go to Nationals in Orlando, FL. They go to cheer competitions to try to get bids for Nationals. Now, if they are the only ones to compete in their division, they are awarded 1st place, no matter how good or bad. If they are not up to par, they will not be offered a bid. The bid is what they are striving for (as with dogs, winning first place). In cheer, winning first place doesn't mean squat unless you get a bid for Nationals....this is how I see this second place ribbon you received.

While I'm sure it was fun and educational for you, it was a second place ribbon...and that's because no other dog was shown.

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1391454)

by murdering you mean culling .... do you really think the off colors are murdered??? they are lovingly placed as pets and the bitch that produced it wouldnt be bred again!