Maybe thas how i feel about the chocs as well.

OP. I am sorry you jumped the gun on celebrating you win. Its not hard to lose when your the only one there. I do feel that you and your crew of posters have an up hill battle and a lot of hard work to do to bring a standard to this breed.

I have never once read about any of those wishing to specialize in breeding chocolate Yorkies doing any DNA testing to make sure that they are breeding the healthiest pups and to me that is just the tip of the Iceburg if what needs to be done.

To me a Yorkie is a Yorkie no matter what the color, but there is a standard set in place for a reason. I feel stepping into a ring was a bad thing to do and I personally would have researched more on the YTCA standard, the Biewer breeding program and other stuff before I went placing my dogs in shows. IF you want to be the first or bring about change you need to do it in a positive manor that compels you to move forward.

To me Placing your baby in the show as well as posting the winning of the show here produced the same result, which is no forward movement on your breeding program.

The best thing you can do is take what people have said here that is factual and learn from it. Do what you have to do to ensure that your chocolate breeding program is healthy and done with love and not just to make money. Developing a standard for chocolate Yorkies that is widely accepted is going to take time and hard work.

That was NOT an advertisement and I can prove the OZMILLION line. There are many in the background starting back a few generations in the background on both sides of the pedigree of the CHOCOLATE male.
So you are either jealous or involved in with your friend trying to bully, bash and harrass, slur, slander and defame character of myself.
I don't make statements I can't back up. Remember the one about the 21 colors? I proved it from a paper in the 90's.
AND, he is DNA certified by AKC.

The way these threads go is soooo damaging to YorkieTalk, theres been a few very similar recently and its always the same names appearing with the not so nice comments. You look back at other posts made by certain names and they are all the same, full of sarcasm, unkind words, and closed minds.
and all done in the name of 'trying to educate'

Its such a shame these are 'grown women' posting these comments.

so sad......... :(
shame on you, you know who you are :(

Amen... The words Butt ugly being used and others agreeing....come on...this is YORKIE talk!! Even in the human race we have people that may not be appealing NEVER is it appropriate to call anyone or anything that. Ever. I can handle a heated debate and opinions with the best of them even at times say they are educational....NOTHING is educational about the words butt ugly even if you say JMO...your opinion could be I dont find them appealing at all...same point not so offensive....That seriously saddenes me.

I am not going to take this personally even tho my comment was not "kind" but frankly this was an educational thread.
Lorraine,Brooklynn, mardelin,yorkikist,feminivstr and everyone who got very involved tried to "educate" the woman and hopefully any new members that might be researching a 'chocolate yorkie'. They did not do it for any personal gain, they did it because they are passionate about keeping the breed standard.

Threads like this DO give YT a bad name, but not in the way you mean.

my feelings exactly. also if there are pups, to inflate the adoption fee or make them look more desirable

I should have waited until I did have all the particulars.

:animal36 :animal36

Dear Kimberly

As I looked yesterday at AKC's site, no DQ currently exists.

At any rate, none currently exists under either standard, so an off-color dog cannot be disqualified. No AKC judge can DQ a dog until the standard takes effect on and after October 1. No dog may be DQ'd for color under the UKC standard.

I can only speak for the judge who contacted me, and she correctly withheld the awards. Her name is Linda Reece.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

Im just sitting here shaking my head..
Im glad the judge withheld the 1st place ribbon. Next thing you know people are going to start and try to show "white" yorkies..ughh

The standard of the breed is there for a reason

So it is my understanding that 1st place was with held and that is what you are speaking of, but she did recieve 2nd place red ribbon? And was the only dog in the category?

You're right, the parti's didn't miraculously appear out of generations of standard colored yorkies ... they've been appearing out of generations of standard yorkies since the late 1800's but have been culled, kept secret, given away or destroyed (same goes with chocolate and goldens).

If the off colored dogs are to be culled, than should all of their blue and tan siblings, and previous decedents. Doesn't matter if the line has 100 champions ... If the off colored yorkie is the product of 2 registered yorkies, and if this off colored pup is culled, than cull all of his relatives too. Right, that seems fair? ;-)

Just because a yorkie has the correct blue and tan color, doesn't mean it won't produce the wrong color when bred to another yorkie with that same "wrong color" recessive gene.

I understand your passion but please allow those who want to love, breed and promote these colorful yorkies, to do so. You don't have to like it and you don't have to buy one but these dogs have every bit as much right to be called a Yorkshire Terrier as their blue and tan siblings.

Man couldn't control the genetic make up of the unregistered, part-bred dogs who begun this breed, and as much as man would like, he's still unable to control the recessive genes that have been passed down from one generation to the next in our yorkies today.

I commend the lady who showed her chocolate, she stood behind her dog, knowing there would be some controversy ... Good for you! Congratulations!

By awarding the dog the 2nd place ribbon, the judge clearly sent the message that the dog was not to the standard (color). Her other options would have been to dismiss the dog or completely withhold the ribbon, she took the kinder option.

Peoples should try to produce Yorkies that look like Yorkies before trying to improve the " cute " chocolate color . This way there will be less and less peoples asking if they have purebred Yorkies .

Wow... this was probably all anyone needed to say in the first place. Too bad all of these thread have to fall apart when all we needed to say is what you just said right here.:thumbup:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a recent ruling made by AKC that no AKC judge could judge in any other registery (kennel clubs, United Kennel Club/Continental Kennel Club) events? I only ask because this judge is not listed as an AKC judge. Not, that it makes any differance.

The Executive Vice President is correct. However, the DQ has been published in the AKC Gazette and on the YTCA Yorkie Express.

Well, let put it this way, since the day you have joined this board 90 % of your
postings have been to promote your $$$$$ Chocolate Yorkies.

The show breeders have done nothing but try to educate about the standard.

So don't try to blame me for a post you started because
you pretty much knew How It Was Going To Turn out.

Maybe you didn't think anyone would check it out.

The best advise I can give those who like the color is to find a different registery
that may give this dog their own Name and Set a standard for this dog.

Hold there own shows.

Start your own forum.

If this dog ever does get it's own Name and Standard then those who are breeding for just the BIG $$$$$$
Will find they are no longer anymore Desirable (then the standard Yorkies) or be able to claim they are Rare.

I am tired of ready this
 

I know I don't have to read it but it seem like that is all that there is one here lately. As for the person with the chocolate babies Go girl go. Yeah it is not the standard but at one point chocolate labs were not desirable either and look at them now. I happened to know this particular breeder and have bought a female off of her that everyone who see her fall in love with her and when we can get her coat out she will be in the rings and no she is not a chocolate but the perfect standard of a Yorkie. So you all need to lay off it is not about money it is about something different and sometime different is wonderful. Personally anything that has to do with chocolate I love it!!!!

Judge Linda Reece seems to be a UKC judge not AKC.

Mardelin as far as a Judge crossing over

The policy states, with some notable exceptions, that AKC approved judges should be focused on judging and supporting AKC events. Approved judges should not have a significant interest in another registry that is in direct conflict with AKC or be judging for another event-giving organization to the possible detriment of events held by AKC member and licensed clubs.

The complete policy is as follows. Bolding has added for added for emphasis.

JUDGING CONFLICT OF INTEREST POLICY

No AKC judge may have a significant interest in a dog registry or dog event-giving organization deemed by the AKC Board to be in competition with the American Kennel Club. Significant interest would include, but not be limited to ownership of, employment by, a directorship in, and holding office in.

Any AKC-approved judge, who shall judge a purebred dog event in the U.S. not in accordance with the rules of AKC, which apply to such purebred dog events without the express permission of the AKC, may be disciplined even to the extent of having his or her AKC judging approval revoked.

An AKC-approved judge may judge breeds that are not AKC registrable and/or that they have not been approved for by AKC at non-AKC events. The AKC Board has also given permission for the judging of certain other events based upon the following criteria:
1. AKC has no comparable events in place.
2. While AKC has a program in place, AKC judges have officiated at events under the aegis of the other organization for years before the AKC program was initiated.
3. The type of event is not or would not be perceived as being contrary to the best interest of AKC and the sport of purebred dogs.
4. The event is a breed or type of breed-specific performance activity.

Is that why you have repeatedly tried to buy one in a private message on another forum and why you previously advertised on your website bragging that your dog was a chocolate gene carrier?

This forum does NOT belong to you or anyone else a member here so no one should try to run people off.

Thanks for clarifying. I can only speak to such instances of communication with various judges; AKC making it a bit more difficult for them to judge other shows than AKC or those Kennel Clubs that are fully recognized by AKC.

No, I have never repeatedly contacted you.
I PM'ed you once or twice.
Before I knew who you and your friend were.

At one time I did think about breeding Chocolates
but
The fact is after learning more about the breed standard,
I decided chocolates are not the type of dog I care to breed.
I only care to breed to the standard.
As far as the carrier I had ...he produce one litter and is no longer being bred.

if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to be that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeder on yorkies talk If she get more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much?

if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to me that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeders on yorks talk If she gets more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much? Oh for the people about the judges thank you that information was worth reading I love getting things off of York talk that will help my breeding program and teach me things I dont know. It is to bad that people use this site as vendetta rather that fact finding or when you need help with something. All I know is I love my little Annie and the rest of my Yerkes and I wouldn't take any amount of money for them so I guess it is about the money.

[QUOTE=yoursotino;1392461]if that is the case why are you so worried about what other people are doing. It is up to the breeder of her dog to do what is responsible not anyone else. If they are not accepted so be it, but Katie bar the door when they are. It seems to me that you all need to spend more time grooming your dogs then bashing other breeders on yorks talk If she gets more then you or I do for her puppy yeah rah she must know what she has and people like her puppies or they wouldn't pay that price. Arent your puppies worth that much? Oh for the people about the judges thank you that information was worth reading I love getting things off of York talk that will help my breeding program and teach me things I dont know. It is to bad that people use this site as vendetta rather that fact finding or when you need help with something. All I know is I love my little Annie and the rest of my Yerkes and I wouldn't take any amount of money for them so I guess it is about the money


you are what gives breeders a bad name

Um.. You're kind of putting people down. You went about proving your point in a bad way....

Not trying to say anything bad here...but don't most reputable breeders have a waiting list? Wouldn't you think these chocolate puppies would already be spoken for if they were so desireable?

Juuust saaaaaying...no offense.

That was kind of harsh! I would just say she's not going about her opinions the right way, not saying she's what gives breeders a bad name. No one really knows her to make that decision from one post... But oh well, we're intitle to our own opinions..