I find it interesting the judge allowed her to compete

this is off the UKC site
http://mail.ukcdogs.com/ukcweb.nsf/8...A?OpenDocument

COLOR

Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are mature. The mature coat color occurs gradually; therefore, puppies should not be faulted for lack of color change until they are two years old. The colors in adult dogs are:

BLUE - a dark steel blue.

TAN - All tan hairs are darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to a still lighter tan at the tips.

On the body, the dark steel blue extends over the body, from the back of the head to the root of the tail. The headfall is a rich golden tan, deeper in color at the sides of the head, at the ear roots and on the muzzle, with the ears being a deep rich tan. The tan color should not extend down the back of the neck.

The hair on the chest and legs is, a bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs or above the stifle on the hind legs.

Faults: In adult dogs, fawn or bronze hairs mingling with silver-blue color. Sooty or black hair intermingled with the tan.

Disqualifications: Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism.

Only sore spot for me is that I don't have one ;) How Great that she got second that is wonderful.....:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: She is Beautiful

Very well said :) I agree:)

Donna, I do not mean you at all...you are always very kind, educational, and lets say "tactful" of how you post your opinion and I for one respect it to the fullest....I COMPLETELY understand the Standard Colored Yorkie Breeders passion and love of the breed. I could 100% agree with you or 100% disagree with you and thats okay your still a nice person that I feel would answer my questions in a kind manner. I can respect others opinions, thoughts, views I find it VERY eductional. When I said thrashing i mean come in say rude things in a not tactful way and leave. I have NEVER seen you do that, nor do I look at you as anything but nice and educational. Thanks for addressing me...again shows your true colors...you care and I appreciate that:)

Someone needs to read" who moved my cheese":D

Okay fill me in...what is it?? lol

Oh I agree with the most of it, Breeders have put most of their life of hard work into keeping the standard. and thats great. and some of the breeders have done a great job. and I can understand them wanted to better the breed and staying with the standard.
But If someone wants to share their joy of their baby even thou it dont meet the AKC standards then why does that hurt. I dont see no difference in choclates then I do Briewers, parti's these people that own these babys are just as proud of them as we are of ours, so why put them down for that. They have a right to post a thread on their babys as much as we do. and by posting that they dont agree with them what does that do? its not going to change their minds how they feel. so why post on their thread if its not to say something nice.why ruin their thread with saying I dont agree. it just makes the thread turn ugly.

lol a book on change :D

SWEET! I would love to read it !!

I'm sorry I didn't mean to pick your post out individually. I meant to hit reply but not to a specific post LOL. Thank you for your kind words but in all honesty here my first reaction was to be rude but changed my mind. I can't see how anyone can be ethical when knowing that producing those colors are on purpose. I"m sorry but that's my opinion and it's really not meant to be rude but fact is fact :) They aren't bettering the breed when breeding those colors on purpose.
Diggy you've always been kind and complimentary to me and I appreciate it very much! You do learn and that is a positive. That is why we educate and try to put out as much corrrect information out as we can.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Thank you for posting this, But we know what the standard is, but thats not what this thread is about.
It's about someone being proud that her Choc baby made it to show and won.

By all means brag about your babies it's always nice to see a brag if the brag is being of a pet doing something great as obedience or agility but in the conformation ring when you know it's not an accepted color? You put yourself in that position when you post it. Really I'm not trying to argue but again, fact is fact :)
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

ANOTHER beautiful choc baby!!
Come on 'standard' breeders don't be afraid of the competition you may one day have to compete against. :grin2:

I love reading your post and get a lot out of them.
I didn't think you was trying to argue, but some members do come on and do just that. I understand you wanted to keep the standard.and I'm not trying to argue either. I too love the standard.

But if they let the choc show and the judge didn't have a problem with it then why is everyone questioning her about it? Theres other threads that are about other colors those are the threads to post your opinions on, Let her have her brag thread and let it be clear of others opinions on the colors thats all im trying to say. I just hate seeing every time a differentv color is brought up that the threads turn bad. cant we just say congrats.

Not saying the chocolate yorkie in the picture isn't pretty as a picture but again follow the rules it's not that hard. You expect your child to play by the rules why can't fellow yorkie breeders/exhibitors follow the rules/standard? It's not about competition it's about following the rules to being able to compete and that color in the conformation ring is "not" following the rules.
JMHO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

competition???
 

I am definately not afraid of chocolates! YTCa has voted them out of showing, therefore, AKC shows cannot accept them either. I am not worried about UKC shows either. I wonder who the judge was that put up the chocolate, which is not within the UKC standard? He/she must not have been very knowlegable about the standard and should has been dq'd. I am not saying the dog isnt pretty, as she is. She is just not the standard and this color should not be bred. I will say congrats on Kelly for having the guts to show her!!!! You did well. Lynn

Congratulations!! Carmella is gorgeous (as are all your furkids) I can now tell Tiffy that her sister is pretty enough to be a show dog!!!:)

I know you must be soooo proud!!! :thumbup:

If the Judge allowed Carmella I say great and She is a Beauty.

If any one has a problem letting The (off colors) show I think they should take it up with the Judge:):D

I really dont think competition is what their worried about, Their worried about so many others breeding out of the standard that so many have fought so hard to keep the standard and making it as standard as one can. and you have so many breeding off colors and soon there will be not many going by the standards, and that really is some thing to worry about.

I dont NOT agree with them because it is happening. but I think there is a place and time to post those opinions and its shouldnt be done on someones brag thread.

Hi again Lynn,
maybe you could try to find out who the judge was and educate her with some of your knowledge, im sure they'll appreciate it. lol
As for not afraid of chocolates???? have you SEEN what it does to your waistline!! :p

Where do you think judges for AKC and Canadian Kennel Club shows get their education? Never mind I'll answer that, from the parent breed clubs where long time well known show breeders will speak at judging seminars about their breed and will help aspiring judges interpret the breed standard.
If judges want to get hired for dog shows by any club putting on the show they better know the standard for each breed they are going to judge and how to interpret that standard.
A judge that makes a big mistake will be challenged on it.

Awwww and there was me thinking they got all their education from YorkieTalk :)

LOL, i have no comment about any of this but that your baby is beautiful and congratulations again :D :thumbup:

Thank you for the compliment and to be frankly honest I can't in good conscience congratulate a win when they and I both know it was done on purpose and not within the standard. I would voice my opinion/concerns to a show breeder/exhibitor of any kind not just someone that shows a chocolate. I only commented when I saw others comment towards the standard. If all this person got was congratulations I would have kept my big mouth shut LOL :) If someone wants a title on a yorkie that is not within the standard they should be trying obedience or agility because color doesn't matter. I get just as much frustrated with a judge who doesn't judge within the standard the way it is written but with AKC rules I can't approach a judge and give my opinion in fear of a bench committee being called so therefore all I can do is find the AKC rep and voice my concerns that way. This is however, a public fourm and I will always try and keep my comments in a positive light. Education is of the utmost importance and if I don't at least try then I haven't done my job :)
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

oh goodness! here we go again!

Thanks for your honesty, keeping your comments in a positive light is great, That's the way we should all voice our opinions. nothing wrong with that at all. And a lot of us get more educated by these post. My post was not about any thing that you had posted, It was about the other post that someone voiced their opinion in that was worded and would only start trouble. I did say we should all just congratulate her on her win, but if you feel you cant then that's ok to this is an open forum. I just don't like seeing them closed .and dont like people having their feelings hurt.

I know nothing was directed at me but we do get passionate about this breed and what is being represented in the ring today! LOL Again, this is an open forum and feelings will get hurt unforntuately, we all get frustrated when something less than the breed standard is in the ring :( I've stated my opinion LOL and I know I've stated all I can on this subject so I will let this one die LOL :) I am here only to educate and hope that our wonderful breed doesn't get hurt in the long run. Unfortunately some won't agree with what I believe and continue to breed outside the standard. Enough of my soapbox LOL
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[QUOTE=YorkieShadow;1390414]Wow thats a little harsh, If you dont have nothing nice to say on her thread then why post at all? why does all these threads have to turn out like this.

They turn out this way because some people dont know how to just be happy for someone...they feel threatned for some reason. THe chocolates will have their own standards different from the standard yorkie color...plus opinions are like buttholes...everyone has one some just stink more than others ;)

we were educated a long time ago tho. it doesnt have to be like this on every chocolate post.

i do have a question tho? (sorry yorkydiva)

why is a chocolate different from a biewer or parti? like that is a gene abnormality? never mind i think i will make a new thread! i feel bad for taking over camellas congrats party!!


congrats carmella!

no it was UKC...but none have ever been shown in AKC either...