breeding....show quality....?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Can you imagine how many people would be that be without their beloved Yorkies if there weren't people that bred "pet quality"? I know,I for one, would be without my precious Harley and Livi.

True, but their is a big difference in a 'pet quality' only dog and a dog that was ill bred without standard being followed. It's the latter of the two that are ruining the breed.

[Amber_lv]

Throwing cold water on this thread to cool it down lol.... Ok with that being said... Daisy is humping Peeka like a mad Hussy is this normal after a heat?? Sorry had to break the tension but really i am serious she is a hussy... lol

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I agree...I don't think you have to show but you can at least get your dogs evaluated by an expert.
I also am of the opinion that the 'no one likes you' and likewise comments are uncalled for and could be excluded from this discussion. They serve no purpose.

did ya smile??

[kelsie123186]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

Not every dog that meets the standard is show quality. Show quality is the best of the best and that is why they deserve to be in the ring. .

this is exactly what I have been told by quite a few breeders.... that is why I got so confused when in another thread i was told I had to get a show quality yorkie if i wanted to breed.... that is why i started this whole thread

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by kelsie123186

From what I have heard (and once again I am just a stupid newbie trying to gather as much knowledge as possible) Good breeders will not sell their "show quality" pups to anyone but people who are going to show... ls this true?

You're not stupid, and no question is a stupid question You can't learn if you don't ask. I think it's awesome you're doing your research. I have heard that a lot of show breeders won't sell to someone that doesn't show, but I've also heard that some will...I think it all depends on getting to know the breeder and your purpose to breeding their dog.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

Throwing cold water on this thread to cool it down lol.... Ok with that being said... Daisy is humping Peeka like a mad Hussy is this normal after a heat?? Sorry had to break the tension but really i am serious she is a hussy... lol

Can't help with the humping but thanks for the laugh!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

the part I have a problem with is her saying that you shouldn't even breed unless you show because you don't even know the standard.

She never said that. She said you should attend shows and find a show breeder--a breeder that has alot of experience with great quality standard dogs--to mentor you. She never said that you had to show.

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I think that if you're interested in breeding, the best thing you can do is start attending shows and find a show breeder who is willing to mentor you.

[Winstin07]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I did say that if the dog isn't shown, it should at least be evaluated by a show breeder or judge. Obviously not everyone is going to be interested in showing, but the dog should at least be evaluated to meet the standard. I never said anything about her having to show the dog anyway. I said the dog should be show-quality (ie. would do well in the show ring IF shown). And just because I don't show or breed doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. I've had conversations with both cat and dog show breeders, and all of them have had basically the same outlook and purpose to breeding...and they all say the purpose to breed is to better the breed. I've also been a member of dog and pet-related forumes other than YT for years and have gained a TON of knowledge about the show world and what a reputable breeder is. And no my dog did not come from a show breeder. She was given to me as a gift for Christmas three years ago. And no I don't believe she came from the best breeder out there, but I didn't buy her. And she's a WONDERFUL pet, I think she's adorable, and I love her more than anything. But I can see her faults. I wouldn't trade her for anything though.

I thought this was cute considering I was told in another post (by you) that my dogs are not quality. Because of where they are from. By the way they are quality dogs and meet standard. I honestly am convincing myself that you mean well and just have a strong opinion about some things. Which is ok. Otherwise I would be hurt that you judge my babies without knowing them and I did not think it was like that here.


**Maybe this post should be closed before people get to offended.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Winstin07

By the way they are quality dogs and meet standard.

Just out of curiosity, and correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't your dog only 3 months old? How do you know at this point if he meets the standard...he isn't an adult yet? That's not to say he doesn't, just that if you have figured out a way to make that determination by 3 months, I'd love to be let in on your secret.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

only bad thing about that is, from what I have been reading on another thread, a lot of the judges don't even know the standard anymore. so is it any wonder people get confused. i don't believe anyone is taking issue with remarks being made that people should have their dogs evluated by a judge. that is a great thing to do and I don't believe anyone is taking issue with the statement that all breeders should breed tobetter the breed. that's true. they should. the part I have a problem with is her saying that you shouldn't even breed unless you show because you don't even know the standard. Well, pardon me, but i do know the standard. i know it well and was just a few minutes ago studying in more detail. I study the standard every day and try to commit it to memory as best I can. There is not a day goes by that i don't learn something new. it's just like with me being a retired R.N., when i first graduated, I thought I knew more than the doctors but it wasn't until I actually got the hands on that I knew just how little I did know that's the way I feel about a lot of this stuff on here.

Okay..again, I never said you couldn't breed if you didn't show and that you don't know the standard. I said that the dog should at least be evaluated by show breeders and judges to make sure the dog is of quality to breed. Don't you think it would be better to have 3-4 knowledgeable people telling you your dog is of quality to breed, rather than just go off your sole opinion?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

True, but their is a big difference in a 'pet quality' only dog and a dog that was ill bred without standard being followed. It's the latter of the two that are ruining the breed.

I was talking about myfairlacy's comment about how people that do not show or have show quality should not breed.

As for your statement,"...ill bred without standard being followed. It's the latter of the two that are ruining the breed."....well,I guess Livi can be your poster dog for the ones that are "ruining the breed".

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

Can't help with the humping but thanks for the laugh!

LOL no Prob! Glad i made someone smile

[kelsie123186]

I think there might be a few people who have been hurt in the past by some strong comments others have made so they feel a little on the defensive side in this post.... the point of yt is to ask questions and hopefully people will answer (whatever their opinion may be) in a kind way...

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Winstin07

I thought this was cute considering I was told in another post (by you) that my dogs are not quality. Because of where they are from. By the way they are quality dogs and meet standard. I honestly am convincing myself that you mean well and just have a strong opinion about some things. Which is ok. Otherwise I would be hurt that you judge my babies without knowing them and I did not think it was like that here.


**Maybe this post should be closed before people get to offended.

What thread are you refering to? Sorry...the only one I can think of is a thread about a dog that came from a petstore? Was that you? If so, I haven't even seen your dog so I can't honestly say whether or not he is of quality to breed. I remember saying in the thread that petstore puppies come from puppymills and BYBs which don't normally have good lines.

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by kelsie123186

this is exactly what I have been told by quite a few breeders.... that is why I got so confused when in another thread i was told I had to get a show quality yorkie if i wanted to breed.... that is why i started this whole thread

In a perfect world, a show quality yorkie would be great to start out with. In the real world it isnt likely to happen. Like I said in the last thread that got closed with my comment, show breeders arent going to sell you their breeding stock. It is like being between a rock and a hard place. My advice is to get the best dogs you can possibly afford and start there. Not all show breeders started with perfect show dogs I am sure. If they did, then I would say they were lucky and the exception to the rule and not the rule.