breeding....show quality....?
 

Hi, I am just curious… in another post someone mentioned that if you were thinking about breeding then you need to get a show quality dog. I was just wondering what everyone else thought of this. I got my little bailey girl from a great breader and baileys parents were not show quality, (her grandparents were) and I have been searching for a sister for bailey for quite a while and have been to many sites and talked to many breeders who seem great (many right here on yt) and on most of these sites all the sires and dams that are listed are not show quality. From what I have learned (and im not claiming to know everything, that is why I am asking you all, because I know that there are so many very knowledgeable people in this group and I am still young and have a lot to learn before I actually breed) but… from what I have learned, a show quality dog is not a common thing and there are many yorkies that are not of show quality that would be fine to breed. I am by no means trying to criticize anyone and my intentions are not to offend anyone. I am just looking for peoples opinions on the subject because like I said, there are many great breeders right here on yt and not all of the dogs they breed are “show” dogs… I really appreciate any input you all may have and value your opinions. Again, I ask… Please please understand that I am only 20 years old and am very interested in breeding and all I am trying to do is gather information at this point so please no critisizm… Thanks so much again everyone!!!
-Kelsie-

I'm no expert, but I think the reason they say it should be show quality is that some breeders feel your dog should be shown and get some points before they are bred. If your dog got points it would prove that if it were bred it would be a dog that would produce pups that would better the breed. I hope this came out right.

Hi, i dont know about the states but here in Ireland people who are looking for yorkies look for IKC registered, the main thing that is checked is health problems, if mom or dad have health issues the buyers need to be informed. They say if they have a physical defect you shouldnt breed them. But not everyone wants a show puppy some people just want a beautiful yorkie friend!!! We bred our two youngest, (our third guy is a yorkie/cairn cross and was rescued so we have no real history on him) and they had beautiful puppies, it was hard sending them to their new homes!!!

i just sent you a pm. i explained it to you. i don't care to get into the age old debate of show people vs. regular breeders that is sure to happen

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breeding
 

Great questions!!!! Alot of newbies wouldnt even ask before they started breeding. But, its all up to you. I, personally think that its just as expensive to breed good quality dogs as it is to breed poor quality dogs. So, why not just breed good quality?? But, show quality dogs are not as easy to get ahold of and there are usually alot of restrictions placed on them by their breeder, and for good reasons. I would check out many kennels/yorkies breeders before I bought anything for breeding. Ask about health problems and health screenings that have been done by the breeder. Maybe find a mentor. Be honest and tell the breeder what you want to accomplish by breeding your yorkie. If the main goal is not $$$$$ and is for the love and betterment of the breed, you should do just fine. Good luck!!! Lynn

I'm not a breeder, but I believe the point of breeding is for the betterment of the breed.
From what I've read, if you don't show your dogs, it's good to at least get them evaluated and looked at to see if they are a good representation of the breed :)

I think that if you're interested in breeding, the best thing you can do is start attending shows and find a show breeder who is willing to mentor you. The purpose of breeding any breed should be to improve that breed and to breed to the standard. By breeding non-show quality (or pet quality) dogs, you are not breeding to the standard and definitely not improving the breed. The majority of breeders, including those on YT, are not show-breeders...that is why there are so many yorkies out there that do not meet the yorkie standard. That's also why so many of our yorkies have genetic problems. Yorkies are so overbred now that many don't even look like yorkies anymore.

here we go again with you. How can you be so naive as to say that unless we show, we are not breeding to the standard? Do you think we don't know the standard? Sure there are a lot of BYB out there but there are also some very, caring, ethical people that have good foundation dogs and know exactly what they are doing. For you to continue to make statements on these threads like you have recently is just plain wrong. a lot of what you say is good, then you ruin it all be making such blanket statements such as the one you just made.


By breeding non-show quality (or pet quality) dogs, you are not breeding to the standard

If you are breeding non-show quality dogs, that means that they have too many faults to do well in the show ring. So therefor they have too many faults to meet the standard. Therfor, you are not breeding to the standard! There are many others on here that would agree with exactly what I said. But if you are breeding non-show quality dogs, you are not bettering the breed.

did you ever consider that there are people that just are not interested in showing. doesn't mean their dogs can't. i have three right now that are not on my website and any of the three could "try' it in the show ring if I were inclined and had the money to show them. you are so full of misinformation that it just overshadows the good things you say. I really think that since you don't show, nor do you breed that you shouldn't even be giving advice in these types of threads. of course i also realize that opinions are like buttholes. everyone has one. and you are certainly welcome to voice "your opinion" on what breeding should be all about. Were it not for an average breeder, I am sure you wouldn't have your baby in your avatar. Did she come from a show breeder? if not, according to the things you are saying, you have just helped another BYb stay in business by purchasing her.

LOL how frustrating is that?? Just because you choose not to show your dogs does NOT in any way mean you are not breeding to standard....I respect your opinion, your lines, and your ethics....I am NOT a breeder nor do I pretend to know what the breeding world is about. I want to thank you for the kind words you have shared with MANY getting started in the breeding world. I see your frustration and trust me you have MANY ON HERE agreeing with what you said too.

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Never mind, I re-read that and it made no sense the way I tried to word it. I just think everyone is entitled to their opinion...show or no show. It's never stopped any of the rest of us from putting in our .02. Why start now.
I see the point...both sides and both points actually...

Oh I agree with Sugarsmom on this one. Just because you choose not to show your dogs does not mean you are not breeding to standard, Thats just crazy to think your dog is only standard if they are showing. lol