The Hardest Post for me to write...

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by Monday;1209291
I hope Stacey is fine (health wise and family wise), however, I do feel she owes Michiko (and now the rest of us) an explanation.
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I just have to ask...why would the rest of you feel entitled to any explanation?

[SJK1113]

I'm sorry for your bad experience with Stacy. Like so many others here, I thought she was a very reputable breeder from what I have read/heard.

I'm also very sorry for Lilly's mom, that she was sold a puppy who was much sicker than she was led to believe. I would think you're entitled to at least some of your money back.

I am buying a sick puppy (not from Sylvan), but I know exactly what I am getting into because the breeder has been honest about my Lily's health problems. But, I am not paying as much as Timmy paid for Lily, and I am not being misled about her problems. It's much different when it is your OWN choice and you know EXACTLY what you are getting into. I will keep your Lilly in my prayers.

To the OP: I think that if you paid for an AKC registered yorkie, that is exactly what you are entitled to get. I hope you and Stacy are able to resolve this issue. I can see that it was very hard for you to post.

There are always two sides to every story, but you waited a long time and even warned this breeder that you would post here. I can't help but think that something has gone very wrong with Stacy, but a simple phone call from her could clear things up and possibly prevent some hard feelings.

Perhaps if Stacy sees this thread, she will at least consider telling her side privately to the OP. I hope so.

[Anna Banana]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I just have to ask...why would the rest of you feel entitled to any explanation?

Although I myself don't feel entitled to any explanation from Stacy, I can see why others might. There are others that have bought from her, considered buying from her, and will buy from her. Also, there are people who have put a lot of time and and energy comforting and supporting michiko because they care so much. For these people, I can see where a sense of entitlement to know the truth develops...

[michiko]

Only thing is that my name is michiko and my initial is MK not OP. Ha!

Interesting to see people say timmy's name but I am OP.

I'm trying to have a humor!

[SJK1113]

Originally Posted by michiko

Only thing is that my name is michiko and my initial is MK not OP. Ha!

Interesting to see people say timmy's name but I am OP.

I'm trying to have a humor!

I'm sorry, I meant "original poster". I should have said your name.

[Dan & Corinne]

You know what? I didn't know what OP was at first.... All I can read it as was Ocean Pacific! Kept on thinking what's Op? Operation? Operator? Option? Ocean Pacific? Out Post? Other Post? finally when I got to page 7 or 8 I realized.... Original Poster!!!!

I'm soooo lame!

[CO_yorkie_momma]

Originally Posted by Dan & Corinne

I don't know if I'm right or not but I was under the impression you can't do a check without a registeration number on the dam - Can AKC check for a litter registeration with just the breeder's name?

Michiko told me she asked Stacy for just the registeration numbers for the litter and/or the dam & sire so she can get the paperwork directly from AKC but she didn't get a reply to this request either.

I dont know if they can or cant. I assumed they could by just using the names of the sire and dam but maybe not. Anybody know for sure? I have seen people on here post everydog that another breeder has ever had a litter from. I dont know how they would have access to that information if they needed all of their registration numbers so I cant say for sure.

[Anna Banana]

Originally Posted by michiko

Only thing is that my name is michiko and my initial is MK not OP. Ha!

Interesting to see people say timmy's name but I am OP.

I'm trying to have a humor!

Lol! "OP" means original poster, since you were the one that started the thread. Timmy doesn't have an abbreviation because that poster just posted, they didn't start the thread.

[doortego]

I'm sorry Michiko that you are having to deal with this and my heart goes out to Timmy as well. I do not feel that any of you were out of line for posting your experiences. In fact, I admire your courage for wanting to set the record straight.

It would be one thing if you chose not to say anything if you had not previously posted praise for this breeder but since you had given a positive recommendation before, it was your duty to give your honest experience when the situation turned negative. Thank you.

[Francie]

Originally Posted by jim n

I for one....truly believe Sylvan Yorkies is a dedicated Breeder who loves her Yorkies and takes great care in finding them loving homes.

I think in all FAIRNESS to Stacy.....it would be important to actually hear the OTHER side of the story, before making attempts to dishonor her reputation.

You have admitted publically how happy you are with Haruka......and so I am puzzled on why you would take great pains to Post this. Were you planning on BREEDING Haruka?

Perhaps its my nature.....but I certainly would have taken more PRIVATE steps to address this.

And I'm glad you feel so much better now......irregardless of the consequences to others....


Francie
I don't understand your logic. What does it matter if she was planning on breeding Haruka? She paid for the papers and after numerous emails and unreturned phone calls she posted here. This is exactly what she should have done. Maybe it will prevent someone else from going through the same thing. As far as consequences, Stacy brought all this on herself. I have no sympathy for her. Oh, and just for the record...there's no such word as irregardless.

Jim.....let me reiterate this for you...since my "logic" has gone over your head.

The only "logical" reason anyone would need papers is if they purchased a "Show Potential" Puppy to:

a) Breed

b) Show their Dog.

Unless someone wants to paper their bathroom wall with AKC papers...I fail to see the value in it.

In addition, we have no idea WHY the papers have not arrived, but to make the assumption that a breeder is unethical, and convict this person on a Public Forum before the facts are known...is ridiculous!

The point here is not whether Sylvan Yorkies is guilty of accusations made against her on this forum. What the truth is...none of us know. What is important to understand is that there are TWO sides to every story....and we are only hearing ONE!

I find it annoying when members are allowed to Post on here...with unsubstantiated accusations, and then sit back and watch the "Pack" close in for the Kill! God! It's like "Lord of the Flies" revisited!

Lastly, I"m sure this goes against the flow here....but I personally don't feel ANYONE owes ME an explanation....


Francie


P.S. And by the way Jim....may I extend my gratitude for pointing out my typos to me. What's the matter.....did you lose your Binky today?

[Felina]

Waiting over five months for something you should have been handed when you received your puppy is just crazy. File paperwork in small claims court and get her served. She'll appear in court to answer her "business" practices and you'll most likely get your refund since she didn't fulfill her end of the contract.

You would do this with anything else you bought so don't let a supposed "friendship" stop you from getting what is due you and what you've already paid for.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by Francie

Jim.....let me reiterate this for you...since my "logic" has gone over your head.

The only "logical" reason anyone would need papers is if they purchased a "Show Potential" Puppy to:

a) Breed

b) Show their Dog.

Unless someone wants to paper their bathroom wall with AKC papers...I fail to see the value in it.

In addition, we have no idea WHY the papers have not arrived, but to make the assumption that a breeder is unethical, and convict this person on a Public Forum before the facts are known...is ridiculous!

The point here is not whether Sylvan Yorkies is guilty of accusations made against her on this forum. What the truth is...none of us know. What is important to understand is that there are TWO sides to every story....and we are only hearing ONE!

I find it annoying when members are allowed to Post on here...with unsubstantiated accusations, and then sit back and watch the "Pack" close in for the Kill! God! It's like "Lord of the Flies" revisited!

Lastly, I"m sure this goes against the flow here....but I personally don't feel ANYONE owes ME an explanation....


Francie


P.S. And by the way Jim....may I extend my gratitude for pointing out my typos to me. What's the matter.....did you lose your Binky today?

you know what, maybe Michiko does want to make thousands of copies of it and paper her bathroom with it. That's of no business to you what she wants to use the paper for. The point is she paid for an AKC registered Yorkie and that is what she should get. If Haruka wasn't registered or wasn't able to be registered then Stacy should have told her that up front before purchasing the puppy AND the price should have been lowered.

YOU fail to see the value of akc papers but others don't. Why offer AKC papers at all if they are of no value? Why is it that people would rather have an AKC dog instead of a CKC dog? It must be because they hold a higher standard or value.

It doesn't matter what YOU think about the papers. They are important to Michiko. In fact i believe that was one of the questions she asked before she purchased Haruka. She wasn't to be able to register her puppy. Stacy said she would be able to do so after she was spayed. So Michiko purchased the puppy and waited to have her spayed. Once Haruka was spayed she sent in the proof to Stacy and asked for her papers or the registration numbers of the parents. That was in January. It is now July. Michiko has waits a very long time for these papers. She's waited a very long time for some sort of decent response from Stacy and Stacy has given her none. I know both of these people personally. Michiko is a very nice and honest person and i know she would not lie about anything. Stacy, when i talked to her more frequently (not a loss of communication on my part) was also a very nice and decent person. I am wondering too about what is going on with her because i would not have suspected her to hold out this long on giving the papers to Michiko. i've talked with Michiko about this situation for MONTHS, and in the beginning i even told her to be patient, something was probably wrong or Stacy was having a hard time with something personal because it was so unlike her.

I hope this all gets resolved soon. I hope Michiko gets her papers and that whatever is it that is going on in stacy's life right now turns out well because i wish no harm on either of them.

[sweetr72]

Originally Posted by Francie

Jim.....let me reiterate this for you...since my "logic" has gone over your head.

The only "logical" reason anyone would need papers is if they purchased a "Show Potential" Puppy to:

a) Breed

b) Show their Dog.

Unless someone wants to paper their bathroom wall with AKC papers...I fail to see the value in it.

In addition, we have no idea WHY the papers have not arrived, but to make the assumption that a breeder is unethical, and convict this person on a Public Forum before the facts are known...is ridiculous!

The point here is not whether Sylvan Yorkies is guilty of accusations made against her on this forum. What the truth is...none of us know. What is important to understand is that there are TWO sides to every story....and we are only hearing ONE!

I find it annoying when members are allowed to Post on here...with unsubstantiated accusations, and then sit back and watch the "Pack" close in for the Kill! God! It's like "Lord of the Flies" revisited!

Lastly, I"m sure this goes against the flow here....but I personally don't feel ANYONE owes ME an explanation....


Francie


P.S. And by the way Jim....may I extend my gratitude for pointing out my typos to me. What's the matter.....did you lose your Binky today?

I think your missing the point...Michiko would LOVE to hear the OTHER side of the story!!!!!!! She has done everything in her power for the OTHER side of the story!!!

Why pay reg' AKC prices for a dog that MIGHT not even be AKC...do you not see her reasons for wanting the papers??? I paid $500.00 for a non-registered yorkie but heck if I paid top dollar I sure would want some proof it WAS a registered yorkie...

Im not sure why you think is isnt fair for her to go public...wouldnt you want to know if a business did this sort of thing to their customers...our friends??

I am NOT 'out to get Stacy' and I am not part of the 'pack' as your so oddly put it...and I see no one on this thread that is out to get her??? I see many wonderful compliments and worry for Stacy and I also see things coming to light about her business practices...Stacy personally and Stacy the business woman are two differnt things to me...I cant possibly find an excuse for someone to be ignored for 5 months...its unfair and bad business simple as that...

Dawn

[ellie81]

Originally Posted by kalina82

you know what, maybe Michiko does want to make thousands of copies of it and paper her bathroom with it. That's of no business to you what she wants to use the paper for. The point is she paid for an AKC registered Yorkie and that is what she should get. If Haruka wasn't registered or wasn't able to be registered then Stacy should have told her that up front before purchasing the puppy AND the price should have been lowered.

YOU fail to see the value of akc papers but others don't. Why offer AKC papers at all if they are of no value? Why is it that people would rather have an AKC dog instead of a CKC dog? It must be because they hold a higher standard or value.

It doesn't matter what YOU think about the papers. They are important to Michiko. In fact i believe that was one of the questions she asked before she purchased Haruka. She wasn't to be able to register her puppy. Stacy said she would be able to do so after she was spayed. So Michiko purchased the puppy and waited to have her spayed. Once Haruka was spayed she sent in the proof to Stacy and asked for her papers or the registration numbers of the parents. That was in January. It is now July. Michiko has waits a very long time for these papers. She's waited a very long time for some sort of decent response from Stacy and Stacy has given her none. I know both of these people personally. Michiko is a very nice and honest person and i know she would not lie about anything. Stacy, when i talked to her more frequently (not a loss of communication on my part) was also a very nice and decent person. I am wondering too about what is going on with her because i would not have suspected her to hold out this long on giving the papers to Michiko. i've talked with Michiko about this situation for MONTHS, and in the beginning i even told her to be patient, something was probably wrong or Stacy was having a hard time with something personal because it was so unlike her.

I hope this all gets resolved soon. I hope Michiko gets her papers and that whatever is it that is going on in stacy's life right now turns out well because i wish no harm on either of them.

geez! some people just to put themselves in other people's shoes.

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by Francie

Jim.....let me reiterate this for you...since my "logic" has gone over your head.

The only "logical" reason anyone would need papers is if they purchased a "Show Potential" Puppy to:

a) Breed

b) Show their Dog.

Unless someone wants to paper their bathroom wall with AKC papers...I fail to see the value in it.

In addition, we have no idea WHY the papers have not arrived, but to make the assumption that a breeder is unethical, and convict this person on a Public Forum before the facts are known...is ridiculous!

The point here is not whether Sylvan Yorkies is guilty of accusations made against her on this forum. What the truth is...none of us know. What is important to understand is that there are TWO sides to every story....and we are only hearing ONE!

I find it annoying when members are allowed to Post on here...with unsubstantiated accusations, and then sit back and watch the "Pack" close in for the Kill! God! It's like "Lord of the Flies" revisited!

Lastly, I"m sure this goes against the flow here....but I personally don't feel ANYONE owes ME an explanation....


Francie


P.S. And by the way Jim....may I extend my gratitude for pointing out my typos to me. What's the matter.....did you lose your Binky today?

I felt the itch to reply.......

This is my view in the difference between AKC important to me versus you. While Haruka is spayed and will not be bred or showed, I can understand what YOU mean about it registration not being important to YOU.

But....

To me, it IS important. Analogy: It's like a last name. When you give birth to a child, they usually take on the father's last name right? Well, what if you don't know who the father is........you give them yours.

I am not sure I make myself clear but registration versus not is like the "bastard child" to ME. That yorkie has (one assumes) AKC parents and should be able to proudly display AKC registration period! She didn't come from a puppy mill and has every right to have that "birth certificate" sort-to speak.

I can definitely see the importance to Michiko and even if that was not the case.........she should be able to make thousands of copies and plaster her wall if she chose to.......better yet, use them as toilet paper if she wished (sorry to be so blunt)

AKC IS important to others.......maybe not for the same reasons as for YOU but whatever Michiko's reasons.......should be respected and understood!!