Anyone else find this offensive?

[centralnewyorki]

Mya's_Mom:

That is such a funny photo!! Your cat looks really PO'ed, either about the puppy invading her space or the mom snapping pictures while she's trying to sleep. (like she's saying "Did I say you could take my picture?!") Such a cat!! Both are beautiful!

[fourdez]

Personally, I can't wait to get home to see Desi jumping and yipping for me to hold her... and then, all those good puppy kisses..

[amyhinmn]

I admit last night was NOT a good night for me to read a post like I did. I was feeling quite down and out. I apologize if I came off strong. I swear to god I was a cat in a previous life. But, I have always been one to root for the underdog, so to speak. And IMHO it is a dogs world, just as it is a man's world. If people see a stray dog, the world stops. If people see a feral, homeless cat, they often do not think twice.

Nonetheless, I think that Hickey007 has provided us with the most enlightening and helpful perspectives on cats and dogs. They are different. Just because cats do not express things as dogs do, does NOT mean that they do not need the same things. If a human is more introverted, does this mean that they need less human companionship? I know that when my cats are off napping, as they sleep more than dogs, and I got start to pet and love them, they purr and roll instantly. And there is NOTHING like a purr. And Chelsie1978 saying that cats love nobody? I don't even know how to respond to that. You are basing your "facts" on anecdotal evidence of the cats you have known in your life. My most independent cat is far more needy than many dogs I have known. Any sentient creature on this earth wants/needs love. I am speechless by the comment that cats love nobody. And it is not a "proven fact" that cats are more independent and yorkies are higher maintenance than other dogs. That's impossible. There is far too much inter-breed variability for that to be a "fact."

And those of you who think cats are motivated by food and that we are no more than a can opener, you are fooling yourselves. Remind me, again, how do we train dogs? Hmmmm, with TREATS?!?! I saw a documentary once on dogs and why they are so social, and it was really an unromantic take on the reality of dogs. They are pack animals, and they submit and seek approval from alpha because alpha allows them to live, through acceptance in the group and food. BOTH CATS AND DOGS ARE EQUALLY MOTIVATED BY FOOD, THEIR MEANS OF SURVIVAL. They just respond differently to food and those who supply their food. All animals are motivated by survival, and all animals love.

To the breeder who indicated that a yorkie may not be the breed for me, and that I may not have known that. I researched dogs for over 6 months before settling on a breed. I talked to the breeders who were dooms-dayers, saying that if we work full-time we should not have a yorkie, or that yorkies are never completely housebroken. And then I have talked to others who laugh at those notions. How many people own yorkies that are of the luxury to not work? I work 8 hours, and then I am home almost every other hour of the night and weekends. I don't even take vacations b/c I know how lonely my cats will be (and know my dog). I don't enjoy vacations, because my furries are not around. I know/knew what I was getting in to. BUT, just as with kids, dogs/cats are what you make them. If you only feed your cat, and watch him/her sleep, that is what you will get from your cat. If you bend to your dogs every need and desire, you will end up with a spoiled naughty dog, like a bratty kid. We all know those people who we don't want to visit because of their obnoxious dog/kid. If you expect obedience and manners, that is what you will get. In fact, I do so much reading on training that I learned if you overreact to your puppy upon your arrival home, you are setting your puppy up for problems with separation anxiety. And I am pretty sure that separation anxiety is awful for a dog to have to deal with.

Nancynancy--I think you should try getting an adult cat from a shelter who already has an established super-friendly personality. If you like yorkies, you don't know what you are missing. I joke that yorkies are not dogs, they are cats that bark. Our Libby even plays like a cat. Our cat toys haven't gotten such a workout in years! Especially the remote control car and the Garfield panic mouse. Cats are so unique and quirky, I laugh at them every day. I think that their sense of entitlement, their narcissism, is hilarious. I remember a New Yorker cartoon of a dog and a cat, hilarious, I will try to attach it below.

Because cats are often viewed as second-class citizens next to dogs, they sometimes are not socialized well when they are young. But a poorly socialized dog is no more friendly than a cat socialized the same way. I will concede that cats appear more independent, but they are not. They just don't wear their heart on their sleeve. Try going up to your "aloof" cat who is sleeping, stroke him gently, under the chin, talk sweetly. Do this a few times a day. I guarantee you your cat's personality toward you will change.

I rescued a feral kitten at 3 months old. She was terrified. She would not even bat at a toy, and she was a kitten! She remain frozen and horrified by me for hours. Eventually, she batted at a toy. And she has never been the same. For those convinced that cats are just food obsessed slave drivers--the cat I am referring to, Leia, is 17 lbs. She is on a diet, but she LOVES food. Nonetheless, I am her universe. She will NOT eat or take affection from anyone but me. She can be starving in the morning, and my boyfriend of 3 1/2 years will try to feed her. She will stare at him and lay by me. I will get up and shake her bowl, and she will run to eat. If she does not get enough attention from me for what she deems as too long of a time, she will let me know by chewing through my speaker or phone cord. She sometimes meows at me until I sit down so that she can knead on my belly, and sometimes she gets so relaxed in the process that she drools. She rolls on her back and talks when she is feeling loving. Cats are capable of just as much expression of love as dogs. It's just a different language. Listen closely.

Our yorkie is NEVER in the pen when she does not have to be. BUT, we do not let her know, as someone wisely said about the kid crying in the store, that whining gets results. When we come home, she would cry and carry on. I would sit in front of the playpen (she is in a child's playpen too while we are gone) and talk nice to her until she settled down. As soon as she did, about 20 seconds later, I would praise her and take her out. Now, when we come home, she is already learning that she wags her tail (whole body, actually) because we will take her out right away if she is not whining. At night, she sleeps right next to our bed in her playpen. If she wakes and starts whimpering, I will say, "shhh, sweetie, we are here." She stops and goes back to sleep. What my original post meant was that I want a dog that knows crating is sometimes necessary and tolerable, even when we are home. Things that I may have to do while she is a puppy that breaks my heart will only give her more freedom and happiness as a well-adjusted dog.

[bchgirl]

From the tone of that last post, I'd say today wasn't a good day to respond either....

Deb (slowly backing out of this thread)

[ssguzzy828]

All I want to say is I got my yorkie!!!!!!! . Ok other than that im outta this one lol

[txshopper73]

[QUOTE=YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by amyhinmn

Is this a common problem in yorkie adults as well, or just babies? Do they grow out of this? I have cats, so I cannot have an adult dog wanting to be near me 24/7 when I am home. Our girl is pretty good about not whining when we say no, but we would not satisfy her whining from day one. Even when we got home, we would not take her out of her pen until she settled down and stopped vocalizing. But, I am wondering if we should purposely separate her from us more often to teach her that she cannot always be with us.
amyhinmn

*********************

Amy,

Yorkies are what I call a high maintence breed. The behavior your are describing is typical of Yorkies whether adult or puppy. It doesn't sound like you were aware of how needy Yorkies really are. They are VERY demanding of attention and to be quite frank you need to be willing to give it. If not your Yorkie can end up with separation anxiety or other personality issues. If you can't meet the demands then maybe a Yorkie is not the breed for you.
As a breeder, I know first hand exactly how demanding they can be. Educating potential parents to my puppies is what needs to be done. I use the 'scare tactic'...lol..I tell folks that never owned a Yorkie that they are needy and need contastant attention. In most cases they do not do well when someone works ouf othe home full time unless you can stop by at lunch OR you have another Yorkie to keep them company..I also tell them to be prepared, Yorkies will ALWAYS have accidents and are stubborn. Most times people will say, oh..well I'm not interested then and other times they say they are wiling to make the commitment and are willing to have their life revolve around a Yorkie...LOL....to me that is the true test.
It sounds to me that you didn't know how much commitment a Yorkie does require. I have 11 and I always say I am owned and operated by them and that's no joke!

Your previous post about paying too much...sounds like your baby's not what you expected. You sound more sad than happy with your new bundle of joy!

LIke my husband says..'Yorkie people are weird'...me included. He knows he comes 2nd in line..my son and my Yorkies come first..ROFL...

Sorry you took offense..but the reply is reality with Yorkies.

Hugs,
Irene

I agree completely with what Irene says. Yorkies are very demanding. Just like children. You don't leave your children locked up in their room because you don't want to hear them whining. Same as a yorkie and if anyone takes the stance that they're "just dogs", well, I don't see it that way. My babies aren't "just dogs". They are my kiddos, too and I love them VERY DEARLY!

[amyhinmn]

I think you may have missed the point. You don't lock children up, and I do not lock my yorkie up. But you don't give in to kids to encourage their whining and carrying on in the future, either. I am always dumbfounded when I watch parents let their kid cry in the store for 10 minutes and say no, only to eventually hand over what the kid is crying for. The kid learns that I only have to cry so long, and she will eventually give in. I am a dissertation away from my doctorate in clinical psych, so I hope I understand how reinforcement works.

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by amyhinmn

I think you may have missed the point. You don't lock children up, and I do not lock my yorkie up. But you don't give in to kids to encourage their whining and carrying on in the future, either. I am always dumbfounded when I watch parents let their kid cry in the store for 10 minutes and say no, only to eventually hand over what the kid is crying for. The kid learns that I only have to cry so long, and she will eventually give in. I am a dissertation away from my doctorate in clinical psych, so I hope I understand how reinforcement works.

I agree with what you're writing here, but I don't agree with the singling out in the thread starter.

[myguyalex]

I think I will agree to disagree with all of you (because I will slow back out of the thread as well). There are parts of everyone's posts that I totally agree with. My cat, Scruffy, is affectionate and loves me dearly. In fact as I was reading this she was sitting next to me and I was petting her. Yet, my Alex is sitting on my lap and cuddling. Everyone needs to work with there pets to figure out the way to make the relationship work. However, my Scruffy isn’t as loving as Alex. She is loving in her own ways, don’t get me wrong. She loves to cuddle and what not but she doesn’t follow me everywhere like Alex. She does things on her own time and Alex does things on my time for me. Every animal deserves love and appreciation. And as many hugs and kisses! Ok, there are my two cents. Hope this made sense and that I don’t offend anyone.

[Chelsie1978]

I think there are cat lovers and dog lovers and those that love both speciaes and to me amy is passionate about cats..thats wonderful,I understand her pasion because THATS how I feel about yorkies.My mum is a cat person and we have had cats around all our lifes (my dad is a dog lover and weve also had dogs) so when I said that I think that cats dont really love their owners like dogs do,Im saying this out of my own experience I can compare both species because Iv grown up with them both and I preffere the way dogs are..theres nothing in the world that can compare to the loyal,affectionate,trusting and just amazing personality of any dog Cats couldent care less and I learnt this the hard way.I will explain..
When we moved here to spain from england,we had 3 cats and a small dog whom we had to leave behind.I was devistated and just the thought of leaving my babies was terrible! We found homes for them all and a week after arriving here my dad phoned each of the new owners to see how they were all doing..the cats,fine! They were eating,playing,sleeping,as fine as could be But my little dog hadent eaten since we had left and they feared for her life.She did die in the end (2 months later)..she stopped eating and got terribly depressed and one morning she just didnt wake up...Us leaving her behind had killed her..Im sure she couldent understand why we had left her behind or why we werent coming to get her...The cats lived on to ripe old ages,infact 2 of them changed owners again and were fine,they didnt need us in particular at all.
Anyway (wow,iv gone on and on! lol) what Im saying is,if you dont really like or understand dogs or feel as passionate about them as you do for cats,maybe you should stick to cats? I know it would be so much easier since they just sleep all day

[Mya's_Mom]

Originally Posted by centralnewyorki

Mya's_Mom:

That is such a funny photo!! Your cat looks really PO'ed, either about the puppy invading her space or the mom snapping pictures while she's trying to sleep. (like she's saying "Did I say you could take my picture?!") Such a cat!! Both are beautiful!

Thanks, I think they are beautiful too. Both were sleeping when I bothered them yet again for another pic. *grin* Emily does not mind Mya being in her space at all unless Mya is shoving a toy in her face. That is when she goes up the stairs because she knows Mya has not mastered stairs yet...hahaha

[Trish]

Originally Posted by Chelsie1978

what Im saying is,if you dont really like or understand dogs or feel as passionate about them as you do for cats,maybe you should stick to cats? I know it would be so much easier since they just sleep all day

Well said

[diva pup]

Geez!! I don't remember her saying that she didnt like dogs, can you give the girl a break here?

[browniesmom622]

Originally Posted by eensor

You own a dog, you feed a cat........

i cant believe your all even argueing over this everyone needs to stop being cranky

[luzangela428]

Since I was included in the "don't you find this offensive" quote along with stitches..I would just like to say that I believe that this thread was unnecessary and a little ridiculous, stitches was not being mean but merely expressing an OPINION and I don't think it was meant to be hurtful or insult anyone (cats included)....maybe we should stop taking things so personal, I personally don't think cats are treated like 2nd rate citzens compared to dogs...but I do feel that animals face injustices as well as human beings also. Now that everyone has gotten their comments off there chest lets end this thread because as it gets longer more peoples feelings are being compromised....I love my yorkie too ....also stepping out