Just got caught up on this thread...

Two thoughts leap to mind:

1. I find it interesting that Mr. Moore has not been back since Inside Edition's report

2. I am amazed that David (Fox 26) is also looking into that other "much talked about" breeder!


Great job Fox!!!

I agree with you on the story. the only thing is I have been in here standing up for them. I am now kind of swayed the other way now. I am so not sure how I feel any more!
I was lucky to get 2 healthy Yorkies. I thank them for that. My babies are so cute, and are pert of the family now. i do feel bad for the people who say they have gotten sick pups.
I hope you can figure some things out, to make feel the need to stand up for them again!

Can you give us a general idea of what it said, not too graphic, as it won't let you view it unless you sign up or log in. Thanks,:)

that is aweful....that could be another story in itself someday..............

Hi guys,
I have been busy answering emails so havent been on for a couple hours. I dont know if I am so liked:D or the person who sent me threatening emails is so disliked but I have had 27 emails from members of this board and some other boards from literally everywhere saying if I even hear a peep out of this guy or his lawyers his name will pop up on every forum on the web(not sure how many there are, I only know the ones I belong too) and he wont be able to give a dog away let alone sell them to pay for his lawyers. From what they say, I am not the first person he has done this to and they are getting tired of his threats against all of us. Just wanted to say thanks for the emails. I appreciate them all. I think people are right in saying what an amazing force a 16000 member strong forum is. I dont think I will be hearing from him again but I will keep you posted.

I can't describe any of it without being too graphic. It is a horror.

Just join youtube. I joined just so I could have access.

I'm sure he is just blowing smoke. But we are all hear for you if he thinks he is serious. He doesn't have a leg to stand on he just didn't want fox news to be aware of his name but with all the fuss he made it looks like they will invetigate him next.

I think you should start a new thread just on him, so maybe Fox will go after him. You can get all the research in one place to make it easy on Fox.

No I am not going to press my luck. I have learned my lesson with my big mouth.:eek:

You do not have a big mouth. You have a big heart for all the animals involved, wich helps your mouth!

Awesome! Welcome to YT!
 

I am so impressed that after hearing more about BCK & others, you are willing to come on & post that you now have questions. That takes a lot of honesty & courage. It would have been much easier to just disappear.

Lots of us have been where you are now. We come on YT not really believing the problem is as bad as someone posts, then when the posts just keep on coming saying the same thing, you begin to doubt and before long you are convinced. And then after that you begin to get mad because you feel so badly for the people that are hurt, but even more than that you feel so badly for the animals that are sick & dying. Then you decide something has to be done and if we just close our eyes & shut our mouths about it, then we, too, are guilty. Someone must speak for those defenseless animals that cannot speak for themselves.

All we really ask is that you look, listen (read) and learn and then speak up to stop the horrors of puppy mills.

I still want a bumper sticker that I saw on someone's car that said,
"Don't breed or buy while shelter dogs die". So if anyone knows where it came from, I would appreciate that information.

I almost did run! But I really like it here, like I have said from the beginig.
I am not all the way against Brushy Creek, but I am not in the same place with it as I was!
I just hope everyone here can bare with all the questions I ask. I only ask, for answers so I can feel right in the way I feel!
I think I have shown how passionate I canbe when I believe in someone or something. So when I get all my answer....LOOK OUT! I may go crazy on all pupy mills!

Please don't breed or buy while shelter dogs die-Opt to Adopt

I found this on a web site-they might have the exact one you are looking for, but I thought this one was pretty close. :)

http://www.dawgpaws.com/dog-lover-gi...for-dogs-4.htm

Re: Jeff Dane
 

http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-4453.html

5th post on page

In theory, it sounds good... but I don't think it's such a good idea. It would just cause a lot more unneeded drama - know what I mean? Especially since he is so ready to sue anyone for speaking badly about him.

There are several threads and numerous posts regarding Jeff Dane here on YT already. From what I've read he and Mr. Moore are running a tight race to see who is first to head up the "Disreputable Breeders List"!

IF HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE THEN THERE SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM RIGHT!?[/QUOTE]

I haven't posted on this thread just read every post....I TOTALLY agree with this! If he is a "REPUTABLE" breeder then, why doesn't he let Fox do a segment on him to prove everyone wrong!! I also have never been to his kennel nor would I want to...I have been to his site and the some of those puppies look terrified...not to mention the outrageous prices he is asking for them...SO...Come on JEFF DANE! Let Fox do a segment on you to prove everyone wrong!!

OH....and by the way JEFF DANE!! YOU DON'T KNOW ME OR WHERE I LIVE!! PHFFFFFFTTTTT

I wasn't going to say anything about Jeff Dane here because it IS about Brushy Creek - but based on what I've heard and also after talking to him personally - I just want to say he really shouldn't be lumped into this thread along with BCK Kennels. From what I see - he's had no complaints with the BBB etc and I have heard his place is really clean. We're all for trying to help dogs - but I think we should center on the places that neglect or abuse their dogs or places that really DO scam people - and though I've posted in the past myself about Jeff Dane - I really don't think his place is as bad as people say.

Actually - after talking to him personally via emails - he's really not that bad a guy and he DOES care about the really bad operations out there....I'm all for spreading the word on bad breeders etc but just wanted to say - I've changed my thinking regarding Jeff Dane ....

There are hundreds of puppy mills in this country and if we really want to make a difference then those are the ones we should really be trying to stop.

Well V, I agree, and I don't agree.

I agree that I think Jeff Dane is probably a relatively clean operation, and that people just jump to the assumption that his dogs are kept in filth, etc, and they're probably not.

People are always wanting him to get "investigated", but I really don't think that the law/media would be able to go in and see anything particularly "wrong".

I agree that he's probably not at miller at the Brushy Creek level. For one thing, he appears to deal exclusively in yorkies. And I also have to say that I don't believe I've ever heard of him sending anyone the wrong dog, or, grossly misrepresenting a dog.

I also agree that there are waaaaay more horrible operations that deserve our attention and efforts. This has ALWAYS been my stance on him.

However, I'm very surprised to hear you say that you've changed your mind about him. I've heard WAY more stories about people getting sick dogs from him than I've ever heard about Brushy Creek. I've personally known people who have gone through this with him, and have been lied to and treated awfully by him. I also have issues with how poorly bred the puppies on his site appear to be. I have NEVER seen yorkie puppies that look like those do.

I'd be interested to hear why you've changed your mind about him. You're right though....this is a topic for another thread. Start one, or pm me on the subject if you'd like.

brushy creek kennel
 

David,

I have purchased a puppy from someone who used to raise puppies for him.
She still cannot get her papers after numerous requests, and this woman has paid him a lot of money. He has given her bad checks, and gave sold a friend of hers some dogs with brucellosis.

He needs to be stopped.

Deb W.

Your chi is adorable!! I have a little cream and white female chi...they're so sweet. :) :p

I thought he had his own kennel. So who else raised dogs for him?

Thanks for the link! I'm glad someone got it up there finally...it wasn't there when I checked youtube the other day. Thanks for trying so hard to get it up here for us!

It might be a broker...

I think more and more people will be coming out of the woodwork on this after seeing that story.

beig I am still new to a lot of this....what is a broker? How are they any different if they are buying dogs from the kennels? Would that not be helping the bigger kennels stay in buisness?

Hi Deb - that's really sorry of them to and good for you posting. You can contact David directly by clicking on his user name - FOX28NEWS & sending him a private message

and Jig - good post - and yes - I've read the posts and have talked to people who bought puppies from yorkiepup.com - I'm not thrilled with anyone who mass breeds but as far as I can tell he does make the effort to make things right with his customers and his 'kennel' is clean - Brushy Creek won't even LET people back to see theirs ......I think with Dane - what you see is what you get - yes his prices are outrageous - but I've yet to read where someone bought a puppy and didn't receive the puppy they chose........but worse - the illnesses of many dogs I've heard about at BCK have had life threatening illnesses & in too many cases - dogs have died......so, as far as this kind of operation goes - his may be one of the better ones.

Agreed. I still think he is a rude and greedy man over-charging for poorly bred dogs, and that prospective yorkie owners should be encouraged to avoid him at all costs.

BUT, everytime his name comes up, people who really don't know anything about the way his kennel is set up start waving around the pitchforks and calling for the media to look into him, and the law to intervene. When in reality, it's a sad fact, but a fact all the same, that in the world that we live in, his mill probably IS "state of the art".

Anyway, before this thread started getting TOO carried away on the topic, you're right, it was important to make the distinction between Jeff Dane and Brushy Creek. Not in the same league at all.

(thanks for the pm)

Thank you and lol on the pitchforks - I tend to wave mine pretty hard sometimes too :eek: :eek: but that was the reason I posted.

As bad as I think BCK is - I have no illusions they'll be shut down - I only hope he takes better care of his dogs AND his customers. Those poor dogs deserve better that's for sure :(

A broker is the middle man, basically. They sell puppies for breeders. In my mind, they aren't any better than the kennels they sell for.