Why tiny's over teapots?

[JACKSON'S MOMMY]

Originally Posted by SweetCuteness

I don't know who this post was directed to because you didn't quote anyone - but if it is in reference to my post above, I never said anything bad about larger yorkies... and I never said all tiny yorkies are sick - I said they are more prone to injury.

This is just a discussion... not an argument or debate. It's annoying to me when people provide rude or harsh responses directed at someone. All of our members on YT are lovers of yorkies, and we are here to discuss them... in a mature way instead of saying things like your last sentence quoted above. I'm not trying to personally attack you in any way, shape, or form - just giving you my opinion that I don't think we should be attacking other members.

BTW, I do have a small Yorkie - he's 3 lbs... and I think he's cute as heck. BUT I do wish he was closer to 5-6lbs.

Just so you know I was not referring to your post. Reread ALL my threads and you will see my position on the matter. I will discuss, debate even argue my point and opinion just like everyone else. If people can't handle the truth and take it personally so be it. To be honest I think I have been fair and balanced and rational. I will defend small yorkie owners as well as large yorkie owners against ignorance, and on occassion even jealousy. As long as threads such as these get started asking us to explain why we chose a smaller yorkie I will be here to ask WHY ? You don't see people starting threads asking people to explain/defend larger ones do you? All of my threads have been a contribution to the TOTAL POST being made. I am a new and very passionate and educated Yorkie owner and I will defend and take up for Jaxson and all his Yorkie brothers and sisters, (because they are all related in the grand scheme of things), big and small.

It just seems to me that in every thread ever posted about smaller yorkies its always small owners who have to defend and explain themselves. Its really not about the health because we all know the pros and cons of small and large. People have made statements OUTRIGHT STATING that having a small yorkie is not good and they should not be gotten because they have health issues, which is a statement that is NOT true. Its about the breeder. If you go out and get a poorly breed dog BIG OR SMALL it is going to have health issues.

So when threads like this are started I feel like the underlying issue is far deeper then we are reading, otherwise we wouldn't keep seeing this issue pop up once a week.

Have a happy and blessed day!

[Nancy1999]

JACKSON'S MOMMY, I don't understand why you feel like you have to defend tiny Yorkies. I understand that you love your baby to death, but no one is attacking him. Lots of us are on the same side; we all want responsible breeding. Most of the health and fragility issues I read about come from the owners of Tinies. You seemed to think, if anyone says anything negative they are bashing Tinies. People just want other people to make INFORMED choices.

As far as rehashing the issue, I learned a lot from this thread; I understand more now about why someone wants the Ultra Tiny, and now realize there are other reasons besides them being a status symbol. For example, as some of you have mentioned the maternal instinct an ultra tiny can satisfy. You also must remember, many people read these threads and are not even members of Yorkietalk, they are just looking for information. In addition, there are new members everyday. If I can help influence a new purchaser of a Yorkie to look into the reasons why he wants an ultra small Yorkie then I feel I've done my job, again informed choices.

What I really hope to influence are those people who think other people are jealous of them every time they hear something negative. It's like the person won't have to consider what the other person is saying because they can just attribute it to jealousy and then discard the information. I think the members of Yorkietalk show everyday that they are not jealous. The praise, love, and support they show each other is considerable. So please when you think someone one is hating (slang term) jealous, please consider the other alternative, they might just have a different opinion and you can't handle it.
Nancy

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

JACKSON'S MOMMY, I don't understand why you feel like you have to defend tiny Yorkies. I understand that you love your baby to death, but no one is attacking him. Lots of us are on the same side; we all want responsible breeding. Most of the health and fragility issues I read about come from the owners of Tinies. You seemed to think, if anyone says anything negative they are bashing Tinies. People just want other people to make INFORMED choices.

As far as rehashing the issue, I learned a lot from this thread; I understand more now about why someone wants the Ultra Tiny, and now realize there are other reasons besides them being a status symbol. For example, as some of you have mentioned the maternal instinct an ultra tiny can satisfy. You also must remember, many people read these threads and are not even members of Yorkietalk, they are just looking for information. In addition, there are new members everyday. If I can help influence a new purchaser of a Yorkie to look into the reasons why he wants an ultra small Yorkie then I feel I've done my job, again informed choices.

What I really hope to influence are those people who think other people are jealous of them every time they hear something negative. It's like the person won't have to consider what the other person is saying because they can just attribute it to jealousy and then discard the information. I think the members of Yorkietalk show everyday that they are not jealous. The praise, love, and support they show each other is considerable. So please when you think someone one is hating (slang term) jealous, please consider the other alternative, they might just have a different opinion and you can't handle it.
Nancy

Great post!

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

JACKSON'S MOMMY, I don't understand why you feel like you have to defend tiny Yorkies. I understand that you love your baby to death, but no one is attacking him. Lots of us are on the same side; we all want responsible breeding. Most of the health and fragility issues I read about come from the owners of Tinies. You seemed to think, if anyone says anything negative they are bashing Tinies. People just want other people to make INFORMED choices.

As far as rehashing the issue, I learned a lot from this thread; I understand more now about why someone wants the Ultra Tiny, and now realize there are other reasons besides them being a status symbol. For example, as some of you have mentioned the maternal instinct an ultra tiny can satisfy. You also must remember, many people read these threads and are not even members of Yorkietalk, they are just looking for information. In addition, there are new members everyday. If I can help influence a new purchaser of a Yorkie to look into the reasons why he wants an ultra small Yorkie then I feel I've done my job, again informed choices.

What I really hope to influence are those people who think other people are jealous of them every time they hear something negative. It's like the person won't have to consider what the other person is saying because they can just attribute it to jealousy and then discard the information. I think the members of Yorkietalk show everyday that they are not jealous. The praise, love, and support they show each other is considerable. So please when you think someone one is hating (slang term) jealous, please consider the other alternative, they might just have a different opinion and you can't handle it.
Nancy

I'm not trying to speak for Jackson's Mommy but what some people feel like they have to defend is the often repeated myth that small dogs are inherently unhealthy just for being small. Yes as Sweetcuteness (I think) pointed out, they do take a bit more care to prevent injury but my 10 lb yorkie takes more care than my friend's 60 lb dog. As several of us have tried to point out, good breeders breed healthy dogs, period.

[red98vett]

Nancy that was very well said.

Again - No one here puts down tinies - I've been here a long time and see people offering info for those new to yorkies and want a tiny but it's in no way bashing them.

WARNING about them is far different than bashing and I seriously doubt anyone is jealous...I know for a fact I'm not - I LOVE them and wouldn't mind having one myself but I've always been perfectly happy with my girls and think most all people here can say the same -

we Love yorkies here - big AND small .....if posting about the REAL dangers tinies can face helps someone make an informed decision about their next pet - then what's wrong with that ??

An example - cocker spaniels used to be THE Popular Breed - When they became popular - the breed was practically ruined -

IF I saw someone wanting a cocker spaniel - I would def warn them about the chronic ear infections they have ....Since I HAVE a gorgeous cocker myself - (I had THREE Cockers actually) ... it doesn't mean I'm putting them down ...I'm just sharing what I KNOW to be true - ALL of my cockers were prone to bad ear infections....Tessa is now 12 years old and MANY many vet visits later -she's still having chronic ear infections. It's just something that this breed has issues with -

It's the same with tiny yorkies - hypoglycemia and injuries happen far easier with tinies than a bigger yorkie - but it's not bashing them & certainly not jealousy when someone says that.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

I'm not trying to speak for Jackson's Mommy but what some people feel like they have to defend is the often repeated myth that small dogs are inherently unhealthy just for being small. Yes as Sweetcuteness (I think) pointed out, they do take a bit more care to prevent injury but my 10 lb yorkie takes more care than my friend's 60 lb dog. As several of us have tried to point out, good breeders breed healthy dogs, period.

I dont believe tinies are unhealthier either. I do believe they are more prone to injury than a larger yorkie. I know if i said it to someone considering getting a tiny that it wouldnt be out of Jealousy as Jacksons mom has said. If I wanted a tiny I could have one right now as we have the funds to purchase one. I am sure that is the same of most YTers. I think she has made some very insulting comments about YTers.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont believe tinies are unhealthier either. I do believe they are more prone to injury than a larger yorkie. I know if i said it to someone considering getting a tiny that it wouldnt be out of Jealousy as Jacksons mom has said. If I wanted a tiny I could have one right now as we have the funds to purchase one. I am sure that is the same of most YTers. I think she has made some very insulting comments about YTers.

You know what's funny? I think for the most part we are all in agreement and a lot of us are saying the same thing. I completely agree that the tinies have to be more protected against injury and I completely agree that people should be VERY educated before they take on the responsibility. Sugar is protected to ridiculous levels because I know he could be hurt physically. I also absolutely DO NOT think most people are jealous if they do not have a small yorkie. I had only a 10 pounder for three years and I certainly was never jealous. It's nothing to be jealous about. Having a small yorkie is not an achievement it's a decision and it's one anyone can make if they wanted to.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

You know what's funny? I think for the most part we are all in agreement and a lot of us are saying the same thing. I completely agree that the tinies have to be more protected against injury and I completely agree that people should be VERY educated before they take on the responsibility. Sugar is protected to ridiculous levels because I know he could be hurt physically. I also absolutely DO NOT think most people are jealous if they do not have a small yorkie. I had only a 10 pounder for three years and I certainly was never jealous. It's nothing to be jealous about. Having a small yorkie is not an achievement it's a decision and it's one anyone can make if they wanted to.

LOL !! GREAT POINT !! That was so cute what you said - Sugar is protected to ridiculous levels...my friend is the same way...she says it's so much easier with her larger male than her tiny female ....and that's the sign of a GOOD yorkie mom.

[chachi]

Having a small yorkie is not an achievement it's a decision and it's one anyone can make if they wanted to.

I agree with this whole heartedly. Not everyone wants that small of a dog. I have looked into getting one but was undecided if it would fit my lifestyle. I take My dogs on 1 mile walks every day. I dont think a tiny yorkie could keep up to that. That is why I prefer the 5-6 lb range yorkie. Some people have children and having a small yorkie and children is not a good idea. There are alot of reasons people may want larger yorkies

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by chachi

Having a small yorkie is not an achievement it's a decision and it's one anyone can make if they wanted to.

I agree with this whole heartedly. Not everyone wants that small of a dog. I have looked into getting one but was undecided if it would fit my lifestyle. I take My dogs on 1 mile walks every day. I dont think a tiny yorkie could keep up to that. That is why I prefer the 5-6 lb range yorkie. Some people have children and having a small yorkie and children is not a good idea. There are alot of reasons people may want larger yorkies

That is so the truth! My Gracie LOVES walks. I swear she would walk a marathon is I could keep up but Sugar expects to be held. There really is a big difference at least in mine and it should be an educated decision because I think Sugar would drive most people nuts. I personally love it because I always wanted a cuddly, sweet dog and Gracie is all about, play with me or leave me the heck alone. I tried for 3 yrs to turn her into something she just isn't. I swear when I baby talk her she is rolling her eyes. She worships my husband however because he's all about playing and definitely doesn't try to baby her and I have Sugar to take all of my ooey gooey girlyness out on . I worried at first that Gracie would be jealous but I think she's like- thank God that crazy woman is finally giving me some peace!

[ARCHIE]

For those of you who actually answered this post respectfully I thank you.
Perhaps I did not word the thread correctly when asking about the tinies
or perhaps however it was worded it would still have been a problem for some.
Afterall all is said and done I did learn more about the tinies. I was interested that's all. Period!
For those of you who may know my name by now I am not one for being
negative in any way. I love this site and have learned so much.
For instance: If I now see a puppy weighing in at 6.5lbs at 14 1/2 weeks would I know it was going to be bigger than standard? LOL of course. Did I know it 2 1/2 yrs ago. NO I never saw a big Yorkie so when I purchased Buddy who knew he would become 13.5lbs! Do I care? NO of course not. He's my little guy no matter what he weighs. Point is I learned the difference from
YT. That's all this thread was about at least for me. Learing about the little one's. I am not jealous, if I wanted one I would buy one no matter what the size. I did become upset when I saw so many of you bringing in negative posts but for the most part the other posts were
very informative. Thanks guys,

Carol & Buddy

[JACKSON'S MOMMY]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

JACKSON'S MOMMY, I don't understand why you feel like you have to defend tiny Yorkies. I understand that you love your baby to death, but no one is attacking him. Lots of us are on the same side; we all want responsible breeding. Most of the health and fragility issues I read about come from the owners of Tinies. You seemed to think, if anyone says anything negative they are bashing Tinies. People just want other people to make INFORMED choices.

As far as rehashing the issue, I learned a lot from this thread; I understand more now about why someone wants the Ultra Tiny, and now realize there are other reasons besides them being a status symbol. For example, as some of you have mentioned the maternal instinct an ultra tiny can satisfy. You also must remember, many people read these threads and are not even members of Yorkietalk, they are just looking for information. In addition, there are new members everyday. If I can help influence a new purchaser of a Yorkie to look into the reasons why he wants an ultra small Yorkie then I feel I've done my job, again informed choices.

What I really hope to influence are those people who think other people are jealous of them every time they hear something negative. It's like the person won't have to consider what the other person is saying because they can just attribute it to jealousy and then discard the information. I think the members of Yorkietalk show everyday that they are not jealous. The praise, love, and support they show each other is considerable. So please when you think someone one is hating (slang term) jealous, please consider the other alternative, they might just have a different opinion and you can't handle it.
Nancy

Nancy
If a dog is tiny or large it is the right of that owner to have it and all that that intels. Just like large yorkie owners get offended by people making unkind comments so do small ones when people wonder why we would ever get such a small dog. So what's good for the goose is not good for the gander??? Obviously my responses are not being read clearly. This was not about giving someone an educational lesson to point out the good and bad faults, it was wondering why would you get a dog that has all these faults and problems and the fact they have become so popular.

As far as jealously (may have spelled that wrong) I can seriously go back and pull some threads where people have said somethings about there large dogs vs anothers small that shows disappointment and touches of envy at how there dogs turned out, I AM NOT SAYING THEY DON'T STILL LOVE THIER DOG TO DEATH, so don't misquote me (in general). To educate someone is paramount to the success of any breed. I will do that as someone did it for me. If someone was inquiring about it I would be honest and upfront on the pros and cons. But I won't do it if someone is insulting a large or smalll yorkie. Someone once said Jaxson looked like a rat because he was so small. It took everything in me not to curse them out like they weren't a Child of God! I had to realize that that was ignorance and kindly but dead seriously told them I would not be driving a rat around in my car.

Another point I would like to make is these post are not made by newbies you know. If someone was new here and asked these questions it maybe different. Anyway to each his own. Whether or not we disagree on a topic today and stand together on another one tomorrow I hold no ill feelings towards anyone and I will continue to add my 2 cents to serious discussions or issues on this board with the best for all Yorkies in my heart.

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

For those of you who actually answered this post respectfully I thank you.
Perhaps I did not word the thread correctly when asking about the tinies
or perhaps however it was worded it would still have been a problem for some.
Afterall all is said and done I did learn more about the tinies. I was interested that's all. Period!
For those of you who may know my name by now I am not one for being
negative in any way. I love this site and have learned so much.
For instance: If I now see a puppy weighing in at 6.5lbs at 14 1/2 weeks would I know it was going to be bigger than standard? LOL of course. Did I know it 2 1/2 yrs ago. NO I never saw a big Yorkie so when I purchased Buddy who knew he would become 13.5lbs! Do I care? NO of course not. He's my little guy no matter what he weighs. Point is I learned the difference from
YT. That's all this thread was about at least for me. Learing about the little one's. I am not jealous, if I wanted one I would buy one no matter what the size. I did become upset when I saw so many of you bringing in negative posts but for the most part the other posts were
very informative. Thanks guys,

Carol & Buddy

Well I'm glad you learned from the thread - as negative as it got at points. I also joined this forum before I knew much about Yorkies and have learned a LOT from it. It's been a lifesaver for me.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by chachi

I think I would like to have a tiny one because it would be like having a puppy forever. However I wonder if you would be limited in what you could do with them because they are so small. I would definitely be more nervous that they could be injured.

I have 2 tiny dogs. Tia is 3-4 lbs and Cali is 1 lb and 2 ounces. There is a BIG difference is what they can both do. Tia is a ROCK, she's sturdy and can do ANYTHING that her big brother Codie (who is 8 lbs) can do. Now Cali, on the other hand, is much more limited. I always have to be very careful where she is and what she's doing. A simple fall off the couch could very well KILL her (and I mean that LITERALLY).

[BlondieGirl87]

I think one thing that often gets overlooked on here is the breeding. A lot of people assume if you have a tiny one its bad breeding or they will be unhealthy because they are so small and ultimately the breeder probably wasn't ethical in what they were doing and if you have a big yorkie none of the above applies to them. I don't know, I'm no expert but I'd say someone who breeds a yorkie over 7 pounds is just as unethical as someone who breeds a yorkie that is too small to be bred. I mean, my word, what about the people who breed 8 pound females with 7 pound males and come out with these 9 pound yorkies? I don't consider that good breeding. Where exactly did all of these large yorkies come from?? 7 pound and under yorkies? I kind of doubt it. I have nothing against the larger yorkies but they are not the standard and I for one firmly believe in keeping the standards of a breed. Otherwise, whose to say 20 years from now a yorkie won't look like a sheep dog?? I place no fault on the larger yorkies that are not within the standard, I place the fault with their breeders. Do they deserve to be loved and cared for and treated with as much respect as any other yorkie within the standard? Absolutely! But should they be bred and considered as fine a breeding material as one within the standard? No, I don't think so. But that goes for everything, color, shape, tempermant, etc. I think breeding should be done to better the breed and nothing more.

What I'm trying to say is, just because a yorkie is bigger doesn't mean that it was "bred" better, in fact, depending on the weight of the mother and father it could've been bred worse. I'd rather have a tiny father and a standard sized mother than risk the mothers life by breeding her with a big father so I could get a big yorkie...

For whatever reason, a lot of people take bigger to mean healthier and I'm sorry but in my opinion that just isn't true.