Someone Please????

[JiggityJig]

there is no guarantee his pups will be anything like him.

They may not look OR act at all like him! So that reason is one of the dumbest ones I ever hear given for wanting to breed.

And please forgive me Amber if that sounded mean. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't breed, and hey, I'll come out of the closet along with you....it is something that we eventually want to get into, but I'm putting a lot of long and careful thought into it first, and getting a lot of advice. I'm sure when/if I ever do decide to do so, I'll get flack for it, so I don't mean to come off that way to YOU. I just think you should rethink your motives if THAT is the only reason you want to breed him.

And one thing is for sure....he is ADORABLE!!!

Oh, and PS honey-chile...You have GOT to wait longer than 10 minutes before getting frustrated and feeling like noone is answering you! This is a bulletin board, not a chat room!

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by JiggityJig

They may not look OR act at all like him! So that reason is one of the dumbest ones I ever hear given for wanting to breed.

And please forgive me Amber if that sounded mean. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't breed, and hey, I'll come out of the closet along with you....it is something that we eventually want to get into, but I'm putting a lot of long and careful thought into it first, and getting a lot of advice. I'm sure when/if I ever do decide to do so, I'll get flack for it, so I don't mean to come off that way to YOU. I just think you should rethink your motives if THAT is the only reason you want to breed him.

And one thing is for sure....he is ADORABLE!!!

Oh, and PS honey-chile...You have GOT to wait longer than 10 minutes before getting frustrated and feeling like noone is answering you! This is a bulletin board, not a chat room!

First off i am researching and second i think you did mean your post in a hurtful way or why would you edit it and add the end? It's people like you who make it hard for people to ask questions on hot topics for fear that they will get ignorant replies. I wasn't aware that you were a professional breeder and know enough about it to critsize me for what i am CONSIDERING Yes the puppies will look like the parents and temperment is hereditary it also states this on the AKC website here is the link http://www.akc.org/breeders/resp_breeding/steps_4.cfm It really irritates me when pople write stuuf that is hurtful and then say i don't mean this in a bad way yeah right c'mon who are you trying to convince? If you don't like a thread then don't post in it. BTW I AM RESEARCHING NOT DOING THAT IS WHY I MADE THIS THREAD TO GET ME STARTED

ohh PS it's chill not chile!

[kalina82]

i think your posting was a good idea. i highly doubt you would do anything that would put your baby in a bad position. This is just something that is on your mind and you were hoping for some informative information one way or the other. your researching and part of researching is getting opinions and information from other yorkie owners and what better place to do it then on a yorkie forum. i really wish people here would be nicer and more open minded. Nothing you said made me think that you were a bad owner or 'stupid' for considering studding your pup.

i was thinking of breeding morgan too for reasons i'm not going to reveal, but decided to spay her instead because of her tiny size. as much as i wanted puppies, i researched and asked around, and came to the conclusion that morgan would never be big enough to breed and she had some other traits that weren't 'standard' for the breed.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by kalina82

i think your posting was a good idea. i highly doubt you would do anything that would put your baby in a bad position. This is just something that is on your mind and you were hoping for some informative information one way or the other. your researching and part of researching is getting opinions and information from other yorkie owners and what better place to do it then on a yorkie forum. i really wish people here would be nicer and more open minded. Nothing you said made me think that you were a bad owner or 'stupid' for considering studding your pup.

i was thinking of breeding morgan too for reasons i'm not going to reveal, but decided to spay her instead because of her tiny size. as much as i wanted puppies, i researched and asked around, and came to the conclusion that morgan would never be big enough to breed and she had some other traits that weren't 'standard' for the breed.

THANK YOU!! I appriciate that.

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by kalina82

i think your posting was a good idea. i highly doubt you would do anything that would put your baby in a bad position. This is just something that is on your mind and you were hoping for some informative information one way or the other. your researching and part of researching is getting opinions and information from other yorkie owners and what better place to do it then on a yorkie forum. i really wish people here would be nicer and more open minded. Nothing you said made me think that you were a bad owner or 'stupid' for considering studding your pup.

[Nancy1999]

Since you said" i really want to have another Yorkie as calm and sweet as he is, " this led me to think that was the main reason you wanted to breed. Some of us think this is a poor reason because while temperament is a heredity factor, for example you should never breed a bad tempered dog, the article you sited states: "The inheritance factors of temperament are complex."

Puppies get genes from both parents and there are dominant and recessive genes. Puppies in the same litter often have very different temperaments. No breeder can duplicate a dog. I also think it's a little disconcerting that you seem so impatient, as if it was extremely important to get this show on the road. Not a great trait in a breeder. Also, many genetic defects can't be identified until the puppy is at least one year old. In addition, I think breeders have to develop extremely thick skins!
Nancy

[RLC12345678]

I used to want to breed Hobbs for the exact same reasons you do...I wanted another yorkie and I wanted one as much like Hobbs as possible. I did lots of research but eventually decided against it. My aunt and uncle are breeders...not yorkies...but other breeds. I talked to them extensively and my vet and they both told me that if you breed your male, his personality will definately change...he will hump, mark, become aggressive, ect. Even though Hobbs' breeder wasn't the BEST breeder in the world, I ultimately decided to just contact her and get another puppy from the same parents as I got Hobbs from. Hootie is Hobbs full sister. I had Hobbs neutered. I am so happy with my decision. Hobbs is the same loving, sweet little boy he was the day I brought him home. I never see his red rocket, he never humps, and he still squats to pee. There are just so many things that change in males when you breed them and you really have to consider these things. Peeka is not going to be the same dog he is right now after you breed him.

Try contacting your breeder and just chat with her and see if she may have more puppies from Peeka's parents. At least weigh all your options.

[JiggityJig]

First off i am researching and second i think you did mean your post in a hurtful way or why would you edit it and add the end? It's people like you who make it hard for people to ask questions on hot topics for fear that they will get ignorant replies. I wasn't aware that you were a professional breeder and know enough about it to critsize me for what i am CONSIDERING Yes the puppies will look like the parents and temperment is hereditary it also states this on the AKC website here is the link http://www.akc.org/breeders/resp_breeding/steps_4.cfm It really irritates me when pople write stuuf that is hurtful and then say i don't mean this in a bad way yeah right c'mon who are you trying to convince? If you don't like a thread then don't post in it. BTW I AM RESEARCHING NOT DOING THAT IS WHY I MADE THIS THREAD TO GET ME STARTED

ohh PS it's chill not chile!

Well, I'm sincerely sorry I made you feel that way, because it was NOT the way I intended it. My "stupid" comment wasn't directed just at this thread, but the fact that we hear that reasoning given over and over.

You're right that we are told to look at the parents for an IDEA of looks/temperament, but that's just a starting place. How many tiny dogs throw large pups, and shy dogs throw sociable pups, etc?

If your dog has great qualities that's a good STARTING place, but there is absolutely no guarantee that ANY of his pups will be ANYTHING like him. For one thing, the dam will introduce a whole NEW pool of genes into the equation.

In fact, a friend of mine was just expressing to me how disappointed she was over this very thing....she had bred her dogs, and had HOPED that one would turn out like the father, and that just didn't happen in this particular litter.

By the way, telling people not to post on a thread if they don't like it is sort of like saying, "Don't tell me anything I don't want to hear". And I don't think you really feel that way, or you WOULDN'T have posted here, because you knew you'd come in for some criticism. I'm just sorry you felt like that was coming from me, because I kinda put my own butt in the sling out there with you in order to express good will. Good luck making your decision.

PS...I do think you were being a little impatient on both threads, waiting for replies , but I didn't mean "HONEY, CHILL" I did mean "honey chile", as in "honey child". I'm from the south.

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

I really ope none of you think less of me for starting this thread i really do love you all!

I don't think anyones thinking less of you. I don't. This is a question that probably comes across many pet-owners minds, so I think it's great you posted about it.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Since you said" i really want to have another Yorkie as calm and sweet as he is, " this led me to think that was the main reason you wanted to breed. Some of us think this is a poor reason because while temperament is a heredity factor, for example you should never breed a bad tempered dog, the article you sited states: "The inheritance factors of temperament are complex."

Puppies get genes from both parents and there are dominant and recessive genes. Puppies in the same litter often have very different temperaments. No breeder can duplicate a dog. I also think it's a little disconcerting that you seem so impatient, as if it was extremely important to get this show on the road. Not a great trait in a breeder. Also, many genetic defects can't be identified until the puppy is at least one year old. In addition, I think breeders have to develop extremely thick skins!
Nancy

I don't have a problem taking criticism it's they way she posted it she meant it to be rude!! I didn't say i was going to breed him tomorrow he is only 8 1/2 months old i am asking now so that when he is old enough if i choose to i will be prepared to make this decision. I want to learn all i can to make an educated decision about it. Studding him for just his personality is not my main reason i am very picky about what i want in my yorkie so if i am satisfied with how he is and how the female is are you saying i am wrong to want a puppy from their litter? I am not a breeder and i am not stupid either i came for advice and i knew i would get some comments like these but was hopeful that they would be done with a little taste but obviously that was stretching it. If i wanted the same exact dog as Peeka i would have him cloned!!! f you noticed i have been researching at home as well i have taken Peeka to one breeder and i am seeing another very nice one tonight i am not jumping or rushing into anything! I really don't have to defend myself to anyone it is my choice i just really thought instead of just throwing my dog in with a female that i might research it and Consider all my options!

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by RLC12345678

I used to want to breed Hobbs for the exact same reasons you do...I wanted another yorkie and I wanted one as much like Hobbs as possible. I did lots of research but eventually decided against it. My aunt and uncle are breeders...not yorkies...but other breeds. I talked to them extensively and my vet and they both told me that if you breed your male, his personality will definately change...he will hump, mark, become aggressive, ect. Even though Hobbs' breeder wasn't the BEST breeder in the world, I ultimately decided to just contact her and get another puppy from the same parents as I got Hobbs from. Hootie is Hobbs full sister. I had Hobbs neutered. I am so happy with my decision. Hobbs is the same loving, sweet little boy he was the day I brought him home. I never see his red rocket, he never humps, and he still squats to pee. There are just so many things that change in males when you breed them and you really have to consider these things. Peeka is not going to be the same dog he is right now after you breed him.

Try contacting your breeder and just chat with her and see if she may have more puppies from Peeka's parents. At least weigh all your options.

Thank you this is exactly why i am asking questions here i don't have access to a lot of breeders in my area and i want to weigh my options to make the best desicion

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

I don't think anyones thinking less of you. I don't. This is a question that probably comes across many pet-owners minds, so I think it's great you posted about it.

Thanks! it takes a lot of courage to post hot topics here but if we never post them how do we learn?

[JiggityJig]

...she meant it to be rude!!

You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it so. In fact, I did NOT intend to be rude.

My use of the word "stupid" was flippant, and I was counting on all the smilies in the message to convey the intent that I was posting with. But I guess that hit the wrong note with you right off the bat, and colored the way you heard the rest of my message. I should have used the word "misguided" or something.

Read it again, and maybe you'll see that I was aligning myself WITH you more than AGAINST you. I have some of the same decisions to work through. When I was talking about doing my research before thinking about breeding, I was ACKNOWLEDGING that that was what you were doing as well, and that is great.

However, you did state at least twice in this thread (and I haven't followed the other one) that you wanted to breed to get a pup that would look and act like Peeka. I did think that fallacy needed to be addressed.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by JiggityJig

You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it so. In fact, I did NOT intend to be rude.

My use of the word "stupid" was flippant, and I was counting on all the smilies in the message to convey the intent that I was posting with. But I guess that hit the wrong note with you right off the bat, and colored the way you heard the rest of my message. I should have used the word "misguided" or something.

Read it again, and maybe you'll see that I was aligning myself WITH you more than AGAINST you. I have some of the same decisions to work through. When I was talking about doing my research before thinking about breeding, I was ACKNOWLEDGING that that was what you were doing as well, and that is great.

However, you did state at least twice in this thread (and I haven't followed the other one) that you wanted to breed to get a pup that would look and act like Peeka. I did think that fallacy needed to be addressed.

Well it is very hard to start a thread like this it has to be worded just right or you will get your butt chewed!! If i misinterpreted your post i am sorry it just came across very hurtful.I don't just want a pup to look and act like Peeka but i do know that if i found a female that compliments him and is what i like then yes i would have a chance of getting a puppy with great traits (like i think Peeka has) Like i stated above if i wanted a puppy just like Peeka i would clone him lol . I really just wanted advice on how to get started in my search for answers. I am a very active member here and it does push my buttons when posts get made that seem rude and i'm sorry but it did seem rude if thats not how you intended it then it is fine but you have to understand where i am coming from to. I don't want to get into a heated debate and i love YT. I really hope that you find your answers as well.

[daisysis]

Ok what did I miss..She has a male..
First she has to find a female to breed !
Then can he.. you know do it ...(reproduce)?
And why are so many worried about this?
The owner of the female has the last say..if she gets a puppy or just pay for stud service!
SO WHAT DID I MISS???? I AM REALLY CONFUSED!!!!
BUT, NEVER MIND LOL