de-barking

[tassibo]

Originally Posted by blondflava

Debarking raises a lot of controversy...But, on the other hand, why are little puppies suffering docking their tails, or ears in some breeds. They say it doesn't hurt when they're days old but who knows for sure??? Debarking IS like declawing a cat, docking tails e.g. I would like to say I'd never have my dog debarked but I'm lucky and he's not a barker. But if he was and neighbors would complain, I'd rather debark than get rid of the dog...

Okay...we dock tails on dogs and we circumsize our boys (skin kids)...so what's the big fuss? I asked my husband and he said he doesn't remember his circumcision...so I'm sure the dogs dont either.

[ssmiles1980A]

i agree with you 100 % .. the barking drives me Bonkers sometimes But i could never do that to them .

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by tassibo

I asked my husband and he said he doesn't remember his circumcision...

And a good thing for him too! Can you imagine how tramatic THAT could be.

[dray]

Until I entered the dog show world almost 30 years ago I never heard of things like this. Years ago a handler wouldn't even take your dog unless it was de-barked so maybe I am just more used to the idea. It is not anything like de-clawing a cat there are no stichs nothing is cut off , it only takes about three minutes to do. By the time a puppy is 6 months old you can tell if it is a big trouble maker or not, and if it is something I plan on keeping and showing I need his mouth to fit into my lifestyle so while he is in for any reason , like removing baby teeth my vet just turns down the sound a bit. Now I think the naugthy dogs make the best show dogs, most of you get the pet ones , a little more sweet , and they just sit in your laps all day , just what do they have to bark about????.
I go to a vet that does a lot of breeders dogs , lots!!!! So I am not the only one. I have a total of seven dogs here, not that many but with out the de-barking on a few of them it would sound like fifty.

Please note that there are a few risks to this, including death. It is not something you should jump into with out a great vet and a lot of thought. I just hate the sound of everyones barking dogs all day long. Mine only bark while they are outside and that is when I need them to use their indoor voices. Again this is what works for me it is not for everyone.

Barking can drive a lot of people nuts, and yes if you only have one or two you should be able to train them.

[Dawgcrazee]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I don't really like the whole idea of debarking a dog. (Hello! It's a DOG....you didn't know they barked before you got them? ) If my dogs bark its for a reason and I want them to be able to do so.

Preach it Sister!
Teri

[tassibo]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

And a good thing for him too! Can you imagine how tramatic THAT could be.

Ha ha...aint that the truth!!!

[icy]

I just think that it's so inhumane to do that. Just like someone taking your voice away...

[Shadow]

What gets me about this topic is some say how mean... it's a dogs way of speaking to you. In the same breath talk about how to train your dog not to bark.
A debark dog can still bark. I have wondered if Rosie had been debarked and if she has there is nothing annoying about her tiny bark. People that have heard her bark comment saying "If she is debarked I would love to have my dog debarked. I don not know idf she is in fact debarked but she has a very quite sweet bark.
Also a debarked dog still has to be trained not to bark alot or the bark comes back.Atleast that is what I have read on the subject.
I think it is unfair to go as far to say that people that do this shouldn't be allowed to have dogs.

[Bruce's_Mom]

Wow it sickens me that someone would take a way what a dog sees as its ability to communicate because they need it to "fit their lifestyle." This however is just my opinion, personally I believe (and I am no pro so I am likly wrong) that if you cannot train a dog to behave then it is a temperment issue.

As the owner of a dog that has had necessary surgeries and know how risky they can be, a purely elective surgery in my opinion exposes a dog to unnecessary risk. Additionally, the surgery does nothing to eliminate the underlying reasons for the dog’s constant barking. The dog is likely to continue to “bark” albeit silently or at a lower volume because root causes of the unappreciated behavior are not addressed. This cuts against the potential benefits of the surgery as the real nature of the dog’s life is not changed—they still suffer from the same issues as before. Post-surgery, however, they suffer in relative silence, which decreases the owner’s impetus to explore what problems led to the errant behavior in the first place.

And yes, my dog's tail is docked, but I find that tail docking (a) requires no anethesia, (b) is typically done bloodlessly, and (3) does not help an owner to ignore what is essentially a behavior problem.

[dray]

There will always be two very strong sides to this, the strongest side of the people that own one pet dog. And I believe that people should be able to believe what ever they want, and I am not trying to change any ones mind about de-barking. I just thought if every one wanted to discuss this topic I would give my side and tell what it is like to have dogs that are de-barked. And I am strong enough to take all the negitivity because you have the right to be that way. My dogs bark because they are happy and playing. So I say bark on my little fur babies!!! I love them all!!

[Tinker'sMommy]

De-Barking????? In humans that would be like De-Voicing?(is that a word) anyways I think that is not right I normally dont give my opinion in these types of threads but this is just wrong If you can't have a dog because they bark then just dont get one or give it up for adoptionJMO

[SnowWa]

I have a neighbor that "finally" debarked her dog. It is a cute little "mixed breed" --- a totally darling dog - that barked from morning until night --and during the night too.

She had this dog for five years - and during these five years, she did everything imaginable to stop it from barking so much. She tried the advise of anyone who came up with anything new to try - she sought advise from vets - she took it to classes - and had one-on-one trainers work with her and her dog. NOTHING - helped kept dog from barking......what more could she have done????

As I said, she had this dog for 5 years - and she loved it. She wouldn't have rehomed this dog for a million dollars. But, at the same time, she, her family, and their neighbors had had it.......

So - she had her dog de-barked.

Her dog still barks - but on a scale from 1 to 10, it is about a 2 now compared to the 10 it used to be. Her dog used to have an ear-splitting bark/yip that was nervewracking. And, now it barks just as much, but it is a far less loud and shrill bark - it is a lower much quieter, more tolerable bark.....

She swears her dog doesn't even know that anything was ever done. He is just as happy, playful, and affectionate as he ever was -- and he barks just as much, but it's oooooooh so much quieter.

Her dog is no longer driving her family or their neighbors crazy - and he is able to stay in the same home where he is loved with all the people he loves.

Given different situations - I think what she did was the perfect solution for her.

*** I read posts over and over again here on YT where people are ready to go stark-raving mad because of their dog's barking. And though a lot of you think any dog can be trained not to bark ---just wait until you have one that won't quit - regardless of what you do. You have to be there!

How can rehoming help!!! First of all - no one wants a dog that constantly barks. They are just as much a problem in their new home as they were in yours. And - eventually, these litte barkers end up in the pound - or they are just shuffled from one home to another, which, to me, is the most undesirable thing in the world.

I think debarking in "extreme cases" so that you can keep the little dog you love -- is the best solution. But - it should be your last resort. You should try everything you possibly can before you resort to debarking any dog.

***PS: My neighbor's little dog can certainly still get their attention. He still barks -- it's just a far more tolerable bark now.

I would debark any of my dogs in a jack minute - before I would ever rehome them. I love them and they belong with me.

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[Oscar's Mummy]

Originally Posted by SnowWa

I have a neighbor that "finally" debarked her dog. It is a cute little "mixed breed" --- a totally darling dog - that barked from morning until night --and during the night too.

She had this dog for five years - and during these five years, she did everything imaginable to stop it from barking so much. She tried the advise of anyone who came up with anything new to try - she sought advise from vets - she took it to classes - and had one-on-one trainers work with her and her dog. NOTHING - helped kept dog from barking......what more could she have done????

As I said, she had this dog for 5 years - and she loved it. She wouldn't have rehomed this dog for a million dollars. But, at the same time, she, her family, and their neighbors had had it.......

So - she had her dog de-barked.

Her dog still barks - but on a scale from 1 to 10, it is about a 2 now compared to the 10 it used to be. Her dog used to have an ear-splitting bark/yip that was nervewracking. And, now it barks just as much, but it is a far less loud and shrill bark - it is a lower much quieter, more tolerable bark.....

She swears her dog doesn't even know that anything was ever done. He is just as happy, playful, and affectionate as he ever was -- and he barks just as much, but it's oooooooh so much quieter.

Her dog is no longer driving her family or their neighbors crazy - and he is able to stay in the same home where he is loved with all the people he loves.

Given different situations - I think what she did was the perfect solution for her.

*** I read posts over and over again here on YT where people are ready to go stark-raving mad because of their dog's barking. And though a lot of you think any dog can be trained not to bark ---just wait until you have one that won't quit - regardless of what you do. You have to be there!

How can rehoming help!!! First of all - no one wants a dog that constantly barks. They are just as much a problem in their new home as they were in yours. And - eventually, these litte barkers end up in the pound - or they are just shuffled from one home to another, which, to me, is the most undesirable thing in the world.

I think debarking in "extreme cases" so that you can keep the little dog you love -- is the best solution. But - it should be your last resort. You should try everything you possibly can before you resort to debarking any dog.

***PS: My neighbor's little dog can certainly still get their attention. He still barks -- it's just a far more tolerable bark now.

I would debark any of my dogs in a jack minute - before I would ever rehome them. I love them and they belong with me.

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How many responses would you get with this ad:

FREE Yorkie to a good home. He's a happy, playful, affectionate pet, but his barking 24/7 is driving us and our neighbors crazy. He needs a good home where he is loved and can bark all he wants.

So much for rehoming!
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Carol Jean