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[red98vett]

Originally Posted by moonvalley

Red98vett:

http://www.doggroups.com/breeds/item...errier_history
http://www.carstensens.com/thecave/yorkie.htm#history

Lvmyyorki:

The history of the yorkshire is poorly documented, and the sources vary slightly. Educating folks is nice. But why would you not want to stick around and help people?

Seek understanding, peace and joy with the little ones, we all were there once.

Deborah

Thanks !! After reading these posts now I feel I hardly know my little girls and where they came from ..I've read the usual yorkie books etc but not in depth history and it looks really interesting -

[LvMyYorki]

moonvalley- Thank you for not taking a side in all of this. There are many books, websites, etc that say the exact thing that you have posted. This is exactly why I have read many books and most importantly, Joan Gordon's book. The origin of the breed IS traced in her book. It can be a little confusing at times bc on the inbreeding that took place early on to produce the Yorkshire Terrier, but I think the evolution of these beautiful little dogs is fascinating.
Unfortunately it appears that people only want to poke holes at what I posted. I would think that when someone posts an alternate theory, they would be encouraged to read more rather than just look in the first book on the shelf or do a google search to try to prove someone wrong!

[Shelbies heart]

Reconsmom, Thank you, I didn't think you were pointing anything at me. I do agree maybe we should let it die, We don't want any more feelings hurt.

[natalie]

Originally Posted by LvMyYorki

I have read the entire book and Ms. Gordon is very clear that "authorities" throw in the Maltese in an attempt to explain a silk coat and that the reasoning behind this is not at all solid. If you are very interested in the lineage of the breed, you would love her book as it delves into the fine details of each breed and the role it played in the Yorkies we know today.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I am at a loss as to why everyone is so upset by the fact that the Maltese was not crossed in the manufacture of the Yorkshire Terrier. If it has anything to do with the fact that the breeder that the thread was started about is crossing Yorkies and Maltese, and you agree with her, then I don't understand why you are directing your comments towards me. I too have other books on the history of the breed that have the same misinformation that was posted earlier. I too can google and post summaries and excerpts from the internet, but I would imagine anyone would be hard pressed to find anyone that is more knowledgable about the breed in its entirely than Joan Gordon.

I'm somewhat offended because I feel your comment was directed towards me. But I'll get over it soon.
I was not directing comments towards you, I was just trying to educate myself on the breed because I know nothing of it. I am not saying these internet sites are more knowledgeable than this prestigious Joan Gordon (or what you make of her), but being as though it's 11PM at night, I find it hard to find an open book store so I can actually find a good book about the Yorkshire to read otherwise. I'm sure Wal-Mart may have some, if I'm lucky but they might be in lamen's terms and I have no interest in that. I think the only resource close to me is Google. And, of course, I am quite sure you have the ability to search Google. I never questioned it! I know nothing of breeding because I am a 20 year old girl that has so much more to worry about but that does not stop me from trying to cultivate my knowledge on my own dog. The reason why I posted excerpts searched on Google, as you and I both have the ability to do, is because I was trying to clear up facts on who was wrong and who was right. In no way, in my belief, did I aim anything towards you. Per the website, it said the Maltese was a part of the Yorkshire Terrier's bloodline. You said there was not and that breeders should educate themselves. What I was wondering was that if there is not a solid history as to if there is or is not Maltese in the Yorkshire Terrier bloodline (based on the fact that there are so many different "histories" to the breed), than what substantial arguement do you have on telling someone to "educate themselves" besides one book? Maybe I just don't know the prestige carried by Joan Gordon and her vast knowledge of the Yorkshire breed or what not. My second question was simply asking everyone.. is there or is there not Maltese in the Yorkshire breed, because many say there are and there aren't. Quoting myself, I am sure there is only ONE answer because there can not be two deviant answers to a historical question, as I'm sure you know.

[natalie]

Originally Posted by LvMyYorki

moonvalley- Thank you for not taking a side in all of this. There are many books, websites, etc that say the exact thing that you have posted. This is exactly why I have read many books and most importantly, Joan Gordon's book. The origin of the breed IS traced in her book. It can be a little confusing at times bc on the inbreeding that took place early on to produce the Yorkshire Terrier, but I think the evolution of these beautiful little dogs is fascinating.
Unfortunately it appears that people only want to poke holes at what I posted. I would think that when someone posts an alternate theory, they would be encouraged to read more rather than just look in the first book on the shelf or do a google search to try to prove someone wrong!

Sigh. I love Google. It's my favorite toy, and by ALL means possible.. I was not trying to prove you wrong. I do not breed. I am a student and a web designer. I have one ONE Yorkie my entire life.
I am not as naive as you think to go prove someone wrong on something I know nothing of. If you think I am proving you wrong by trying to better my understanding on a subject I know nothing about, than you are horribly mistaken.
I did not say YOU ARE WRONG. THIS IS MY PROOF. Websites are not very tangible things because there are so many opinions entwined within them.
And to think you make assumptions on my intentions. I'm appalled. You are so, completely, terribly off on my desired objective.
All I wanted to know was.. is there or is there not? I found two different "histories" and I want to know what is true and what is clouded by opinions.


What's this thread coming to?? I'm ashamed to have even responded to you.

A few excerpts and I'm poking holes. Maybe I should post a few more, than I'd be questioning someone's intelligence and mocking them!

[ReconsMomma]

Amen Natalie............. Dont let it get to you. There are hundreds of great people here that wont pick apart everything that you say or do..... Obviously some people dont have anything better to do than to sit here and try to make us all think that we are big dumb asses. Escuse the language but that is the way that I am seeing things. I have read many many books and feel that I know quite a bit about the breed. I am not interested in breeding only in a companion dog. So to the person who seems to think that they have to keep educating us all on the breed, thanks but it can be done in a fashion that doesn't make us all sound like we are all stupid. We all have the ability to open books and do searches for the info that we want or need. Why not let us do just that? There is no need to continue to stir this issue about who is right and who is wrong........... No one cares at this point in the game. Just let it rest and move on to the next issue at hand. Go read your book or pay some attention to your dog.

Sorry to sound harsh to any of the great yorkie talk people here.

[LvMyYorki]

Natalie- You should really calm down. If you admittedly don't know what you are talking about, then why respond or post at all? As far as a bookstore not being open at 11pm.... I don't see what that has to do with anything? Like I said before, it you don't have all of the facts, then why not wait to say anything until you do? Yes, you obvioulsy don't know who Joan Gordon is or you wouldn't question her prestige or authority. I am not making her out to be anything that she isn't. Most breeders that breed for standard refer to her book as the breeder's Bible.

I am not saying that you or any other companion yorkie owner would or should know any of this which is what I said in my original post. I WOULD expect the breeder that posted to know the ancestry of the breed they are breeding.

[royalpuppies]

To whoever seems to be more educated than all of us, this is what I read in my books. It also said that there was a grey area where they could even ascertain 100% of their true descendants. They suppose. If you have better books than I do then I am really happy that you are well educated and were able to so certainly certify 100% about your facts.

If you look up the history of dogs, and by judging your response you probably did, then you should know that many many breeds of dogs were achieved my mixing 2 breeds. Also its still an hypothesis as per many scientists, but mainly dogs all descend from 1 breed which is the wolf. Anways I wont go deep in the subject as it is an hypothesis, but would like to point out that in my book of maltese for instance state that the maltese has been used in the XVI century to create the Skye Terrier. But some are not of that same opinion.

For the poster who said no wonder I am breeding mutts, well I am really sorry you feel that way. It does not mean that what I have read and what you have in your book doesn't match does not mean that I am stupid.

The point is I am not here to defend what I have read or what is true. I am here to defend the right to do what i love without being judged the way some of you are.

Yes some of you are right, more energy should be put on making sure that no animals on this earth suffer from hunger, mistreatment and abandonment.

Yes Elizabeth, I do accept your apology. I know that some of the posts were not directly for me but I really was disappointed to see my name there when I knew nothing about it.

Hope we chat again Elizabeth in better circumstances.

Louise

[natalie]

Originally Posted by LvMyYorki

Natalie- You should really calm down. If you admittedly don't know what you are talking about, then why respond or post at all? As far as a bookstore not being open at 11pm.... I don't see what that has to do with anything? Like I said before, it you don't have all of the facts, then why not wait to say anything until you do? Yes, you obvioulsy don't know who Joan Gordon is or you wouldn't question her prestige or authority. I am not making her out to be anything that she isn't. Most breeders that breed for standard refer to her book as the breeder's Bible.

I am not saying that you or any other companion yorkie owner would or should know any of this which is what I said in my original post. I WOULD expect the breeder that posted to know the ancestry of the breed they are breeding.

I give up. You haven't understood after three paragraphs and I doubt you ever will.
I am completely calm and nowhere near being upset or angry. It's an internet forum for crying out loud. What I cannot understand is.. why is it so hard for YOU to understand the fact that I was trying to LEARN SOMETHING. I posted those Google excerpts, and again.. I love Google, to show people that there was a deviation in history from what you had posted and from what someone else has posted! Is it wrong of me to try and help myself figure out what was wrong and what was right in the history of my dog?

I don't get it.

I question everything I do not understand, and up until this point on this forum.. everyone has answered every question with an open heart and an appreciation for me because I still am trying to learn. How can I wait to gather all my correct facts until I post if I am confused on what the facts are?? As I'm sure some if not all agree, you have no right to dictate when I can or cannot post. Just because I do not know specifically all these so-called facts does not mean I don't have the right to post and ask questions.

And for the bookstore not being opened, you mocked me for using the Google search and internet excerpts. The point is, there are no bookstores open this late for me to go and have time to find a good book to read. Google is the only option I have as to find anything to read about the breed.

Yes, you obvioulsy don't know who Joan Gordon is or you wouldn't question her prestige or authority.

That is completely your opinion. Others with opposing opinions might think otherwise. I am sure theres alot of misinformation out there. Before you get on a 20-year old non-breeding girl posting excerpts on this thread trying to learn something, why don't you try to tackle those internet sites and publishing companies people get their information from?

The more I talk about it and think on it, the more I learn.
Since the breed history is so questionable by many, many, MANY sources.. how can someone be so certain of originality if no breeder born in the 19th century is still alive to prove otherwise? I'm sure there are facts out there that prove there are and are not Maltese in the bloodline. Before I say any further, I better educate myself as well as you make yourself seem to be. It seems like you look down on those who aren't.

As for the standards of AKC as you have kindly bolded for me to see, I just won't go there. From my own beliefs, I can write a novel on that and I already know my opinions are opposed to yours so I will not even touch it.

[natalie]

I think this thread should be closed for the sake of myself and others.
Sarcasm is starting to get the best of me.
Personally, I think it's getting out of hand and off-topic.

I refuse to reply anymore! lol until I educa... jk.

[LvMyYorki]

Then why are you the only one that keeps posting?

[eensor]

This thread is well on its way to setting a YT record for the most replies I think!

[natalie]

Because I can.

[eensor]

Ouch! Y'all play pretty now!

[natalie]

Cheer up, buttercup!

I have a splendid life, don't you worry. I own my own townhouse. I make my own money. I pay my own bills. I have a great boyfriend and a fabulous dog, I go to school. I have wonderful friends. I have a supportive family. I travel. I can afford expensive toys. I am a wonderful person. I volunteer at shelters. I give to my community. I can't say I'm vegetarian cause I love my steaks. I am well-educated. Well-fed. And I am mature enough to know not to degrade your life as you had tried to degrade mine. Last but not lease, I am home because I am saving up for a trip to Florida this June.

I'm REALLY glad to hear you had a life when you were 20. I'm sad to know you still respond so rudely since you are past 20. I left those comments back in Junior High. I hope you do the same.. soon.

You're such a rude person. Did I offend you? Being the person that I am and the person you know nothing of, I apologize for the sake of this thread and other readers. Not to you.

Scratch being closed. This thread should be deleted.