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red98vett · 05-06-2005, 05:30 AM

These post are always controversal and I truly believe no one who loves yorkies means mixed breeds are inferiour because they aren't !! They're smart and cute and totally loveable - Anything mixed with a yorkie is usually ADORABLE ...smart too ! Some of my favorite puppies are mixes on another site - They have truly unique characteristics !

I think some of us just wonder why there are SO MANY PEOPLE intentionally creating mixed puppies and trying to make money off it -

Some of these breeders KNOW many people can't afford the $ 1000 PLUS that a purebred yorkie cost - so a mix is created for less money - and Voila - a whole new customer base for that breeder of mixed puppies !

I'm not saying this is the only reason a person buys a mix....I know lots of mixes are bought out of love and the price didn't matter - but you have to admit - it IS a jump from under 500 to over $1000 and these breeders know it.

I don't believe most of these sites/breeders/brokers/puppy sellers are trying to enhance or improve these breeds....It's not out of love for one breed or the other - it's all about making a living thru the puppies they sell....remember......this is JUST MY OPINION !

Biddy's Mom · 05-06-2005, 05:33 AM

Eensor - You are entitled to your opion & I have no hard feelings. I understand the importance of showing dogs (I would LOVE to show dogs!) and making the breed the best it can be. You were not mean to anybody - and your argument is very clear & you have many good points. In my opinion some of these mixes make better "pets" than purebreds. Also, let's not forget that MANY breeders of purebred dogs are only breeding with the intention of making $$$ - this is not only breeders of mixed dogs. Thanks!!!

red98vett · 05-06-2005, 05:37 AM

That's true too....but also a whole nother subject !!

I think this is interesting hearing how everyone feels - and in no way is this about ANY of our mixed babies -

I think it's just SUCH an explosion of puppy breeding in general that it's very hard these days to trust those breeders that have a pretty website or a great sales pitch - It's ALWAYS best to go with the breeder who you know for sure has a good reputation ...I learned THAT from my own experience

The "GOOD" Breeders care and will take a loss if that's what it takes - the bad breeders sell sell sell.

To the member named puppyperson...who just lost their baby at 8 months old......I'm so sorry for you - I know that must have been devestating.

red98vett · 05-06-2005, 05:59 AM

Crosspost from another site -
What is a Breeder?

A breeder is one who thirsts for knowledge and never really knows it
all, one who wrestles with decision of conscience, convenience and
commitment. One who sacrifices personal interests, finances, time,
friendships, fancy furniture, and deep pile carpeting!

She gives up the dreams of a long, luxurious cruise in favor of
urning that all important show into this years vacation.

A breeder goes without sleep (but never coffee) in hours spent
planning a breeding or watching anxiously over the birth process and
afterwards, over every little sneeze, wiggle or cry.

Skips dinner parties because that litter is due or the babies have
to be fed at eight. She disregards birth fluids and puts mouth to
mouth to save a gasping newborn, literally blowing life into a tiny,
helpless creature that may be the culmination of a lifetime of dreams.

A breeders lap is a marvelous place where generations of proud and
noble champions once snoozed.

A breeders hands are strong and firm and often soiled, but ever so
gentle and sensitive to the thrusts of a puppy's wet nose.

A breeders back and knees are usually arthritic from stooping,
bending, and sitting in the birthing box, but are strong enough to
enable the breeder to show the next choice pup to a Championship.

A breeders shoulders are stooped and often heaped with abuse from
competitors, but they're wide enough to support the weight of a
thousand defeats and frustrations.

A breeders arms are always able to wield a mop, support an armfull
of puppies, or lend a helping hand to a newcomer.

A breeder's ears are wonderous things, sometimes red ( from being
talked about ) or strangely shaped from being pressed against a
phone receiver, often deaf to criticism, yet always fine tuned to
the wimper of a sick puppy.

A breeders eyes are blurred from pedigree research and sometimes
blind to her own dog's faults, but they are ever so keen to the
competitions faults and are always searching for the perfect specimen.

A breeders brain is foggy on faces, but it can recall pedigres
faster than an IBM computer. so full of knowledge that sometimes it
blows a fuse: it catalougues thousands of good bonings, fine ears,
and perfect heads and buries in the soul the failures and the ones that didn't turn out.

A Breeder's Heart is often broken, but it beats strongly with hope
everlasting and it is always in the right place.

Oh, yes, there are breeders, and then, there are BREEDERS!!
Author unknown

Biddy's Mom · 05-06-2005, 06:04 AM

red98vett - wow! That brought a tear to my eye & I'm at work! That's so beautiful & true...

red98vett · 05-06-2005, 06:15 AM

I loved it to - it's such a tribute to those great breeders that have brought us our very loved pets !

rrosenberry · 05-06-2005, 06:29 AM

I totally agree! I know I couldn't do it!

YorkieRose · 05-06-2005, 06:39 AM

Villette..that is soooo true.
My friend, Judy was celebrating her anniversary, got all ready to go out for dinner/show...and her girl got inher whelping box and started to push..end of the party! LOL
If it was illegal to ask money for dogs, I would still breed...BUT and IT is a BIG BUT...I would only have a litter every 2 or 3 yrs. I love puppies running around.

lily24 · 05-06-2005, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eensor

I would never want you to feel bad about your dog! I too have a mixed breed that I love dearly...I just don't think people should do this on purpose. JMO

I agree, take the earlier post for instance with the labradoodle pic. I think it kinda looked scary! I like mixed breed also, but if people are starting to mix breeds on purpose sooner or later I feel that it will be almost impossible to find a purebred in the future and the prices may even skyrocket. My opinion I love everyone here and AM NOT putting anyone down

red98vett · 05-06-2005, 07:11 AM

Pat - (yorkierose) YOU are one of the breeders that tribute is dedicated to - I feel I've known you long enough to be able to say that with conviction ! If I EVER had the chance to get a puppy from you I'd be elated !

moonvalley · 05-06-2005, 08:07 AM

I do not want to offend:

There is a need for every species to constantly evolve for many reasons that I will not go into here. Most breeds today have these health problems _BECAUSE_ the gene pool is too small. Without outcrossing and bringing in new genes, a breeding of a line controlled by humans is assurred doom.

I did not give my opinion lightly: Go look up the Bernese Mountain dog-

That beautiful dog- is doomed to extinction soon, if some breeders don't get smart and bring in _NEW_ genes to the pool. New genes do not mean from the same breed!

True many dogs were bred for specific purposes, and many of us still use them for those purposes. That does not mean that we through ignorance should create the end of a particular breed of dog.

One day, the lady may be the salvation of the yorkshire breed.

Seek for understanding and tolerance for the love of the earth and its creatures, please.

deborah- a biologist

pebblesmama · 05-06-2005, 08:12 AM

I've enjoyed reading this post very much. It is a relief to read so many positive responses about breeders. It seems that so often we read negative things and assume that most breeders are "puppy mills" and irresponsible. While I agree that there are more of those than I care to admit, there are many, many other breeders who are fine, reputable, and responsible. People who love the responsibility and the challenge and the joys of puppies, whether they are purebreeds or mixed. I do not see what is wrong in doing something you love for the money either. I have always felt hesitant to "come out of the closet" and admit that I breed yorkies. I have feared what people on the forum may think. I am not breeding show material, but I do try to stay with the standard as closely as I can. As I have studied breeding and learned about line -breeding and in -breeding and cross-breeding and have realized what breeders do to the puppies that do not conform I have been sickened and never want to be included in that group that call themselves professionals. I do not claim to know everything about breeding, but how else does one learn? I love what I do and I think I am good at it. And yes, I have made money doing it. But you know what? Even if I didn't make money, I would still do it.
I started doing it for the money, to put help pay my daughters college tuition. I continue doing it because it is fun. I do make money. I am proud of my little business and would gladly welcome anyone to my home to see what I have. I have two breeding females and one male. They live in our home and receive the best of care. In my 5 years, and 8 litters, I have never lost a single puppy. I have no known heredity issues with any of the puppies I have sold. I have many happy customers who I use for references. I have never sold a puppy to anyone who has not first come to my home. I have also bred my male to a maltese that belongs to a friend of mine and had the cutest little puppies I ever saw! I would do it again in a heartbeat. They have all gone to loving homes.
I get very weary hearing from people who preach about breeders but then they are the first ones to go out and buy the smallest possible yorkie they can find. Somehow it's okay for them. It's alot of "do as I say and not as I do" if you ask me.
Whew! Thanks for letting me vent - don't want to offend anyone but this has been alot of pent up feelings I've had. I say cheers to anyone who loves breeding dogs and does it well. I say BOOOO to anyone who mistreats their animals for any reason, profit included.

iheartyorkies · 05-06-2005, 08:20 AM

pebblesmama, what part of the country are you in? And you made your point well. I don't have a problem with a breeder making money. Isn't that everyones goal in life is to find what you love to do and actually get paid to do it? It sounds like you're the kind of breeder I would want my next pup from.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 05-06-2005, 08:21 AM

[QUOTE=eensor[I]]"I was not mean to anyone an Yorkie Talk and am entitled to my opinion. "[/I]
eensor: You are absolutely right.

You just gave me the opportunity to try to get people to think differently about purebred versus mixed or mutt. In my eyes, neither is "better" than the other and I see no more reason for complaining when breeders choose to breed two breeds together than breeders who choose to breed the same breed together. The AKC is not dog "LAW". It is simply a private organization that exists for people who breed purebred dogs. That's it. If that is something you care about, that's terrific and you are totally free to participate in the "hobby", but it doesn't mean that people that "don't care about AKC" of other purebred reigstries are "wrong" or "bad" because they legally and, without harming anyone, breed dogs outside of the AKC or other registry rules.

For some reason a prejudice exists against breeders who breed for money. There is also a prejudice against people who breed two different breeds. I don't know why since our country is founded on the entrepeneurial spirit and capitalist ideals and, in our society, dogs are considered "property". (I am not saying i agree with this but it is fact) Obviously and thankfully, we have laws against abusing animals, but basically anyone is free to breed any dog that they own to any other dog that they own or contract with the owner for breeding rights. I don't think any of these breeders who breed for money are contributing to the overpopulation of animals in animal shelters. We all see the posts of people searching for weeks and months for a puppy with no luck. There is a demand for mixed breed dogs and the puppies do not end up in shelters. If they did, the breeders would stop because they wouldn't be making any money and it wouldn't be worth the hard work and effort involved.

As for the issue of "jobs" that dogs serve, they still have a job and breeders should be free to breed for hat "job". The job, in the case of the pet, is to be "man's best friend" and to provide comfort , unconditional love and loyalty to their owners. If that comes from a mixed breed breeder who breeds purely for the love of the animals, or a purebred breeder for profit, it shouldn't matter IMO. They are still performing their duty or their job.

I think my last post may have come across as a little harsh toward conformation dog show hobbyists and I would like to clarify what I said. I have nothing against "beauty pageants" for people or dogs. My dauhgters participated in beauty pageants for years. I just wanted to use that analogy to show the "level of importance" that that reallly plays in the dog world in my opinion. It's a "hobby" and should not be taken so seriously in my opinion. It is not the "law" for all dogs and does not control ALL DOGS and all dog owners. Those who do not participate or care who wins are not mandated by their standards, etc.

I really love to watch the shows on TV because I love to see beautiful dogs. I also love to watch agility shows and I used to show shepards in obedience as a child. I also grew up showing horses.

To say that you should only breed dogs who come from "championship lines" or are "purebred" is the same to me as saying that, unless you win a beauty pageant you shouldn't have kids, or if your mother and father are from different nationalities you are worth less than someone whose parents are from the same nationality. Beauty pagenats do not "control" who is beautiful in our country or our world. There are plenty of beautiful people who never participated in a beauty pageant. In my opinion, it is the same with dogs. There are plenty of perfectly wonderful dogs who came from wonderful non-championship parents.

Eensor, please don't take this the wrong way but, I don't see how everything about this breeder's website could make someone "sick". She sounds like a compassionate person who cares about her dogs and they were adorable dogs. I cannot recommend her because I know nothing about her other than the website and her response to eensors email. But, can you imagine how she must have felt to receive that email? All because she breeds two different breeds instead of the same breed? She was accused of not caring about the health and welfare of her puppies. If I were her, I would have been extremely offended.

I am not trying to offend anyone here but I just wish we would all be a little less quick to judge and criticize. It's about "tolerance" in the end, for me, I think.

pebblesmama · 05-06-2005, 08:27 AM

I heartyorkies - I live in Idaho

socalyorkilvr - Thank you - your post was intelligent, wonderfully stated, and right on!

05-06-2005, 05:30 AM	#46
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	These post are always controversal and I truly believe no one who loves yorkies means mixed breeds are inferiour because they aren't !! They're smart and cute and totally loveable - Anything mixed with a yorkie is usually ADORABLE ...smart too ! Some of my favorite puppies are mixes on another site - They have truly unique characteristics ! I think some of us just wonder why there are SO MANY PEOPLE intentionally creating mixed puppies and trying to make money off it - Some of these breeders KNOW many people can't afford the $ 1000 PLUS that a purebred yorkie cost - so a mix is created for less money - and Voila - a whole new customer base for that breeder of mixed puppies ! I'm not saying this is the only reason a person buys a mix....I know lots of mixes are bought out of love and the price didn't matter - but you have to admit - it IS a jump from under 500 to over $1000 and these breeders know it. I don't believe most of these sites/breeders/brokers/puppy sellers are trying to enhance or improve these breeds....It's not out of love for one breed or the other - it's all about making a living thru the puppies they sell....remember......this is JUST MY OPINION ! __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 05-06-2005 at 05:46 AM.

05-06-2005, 05:33 AM	#47
Biddy's Mom and Tucker's too! Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,134	Eensor - You are entitled to your opion & I have no hard feelings. I understand the importance of showing dogs (I would LOVE to show dogs!) and making the breed the best it can be. You were not mean to anybody - and your argument is very clear & you have many good points. In my opinion some of these mixes make better "pets" than purebreds. Also, let's not forget that MANY breeders of purebred dogs are only breeding with the intention of making $$$ - this is not only breeders of mixed dogs. Thanks!!! __________________ Jessica, Biddy, Tucker & Gertie

05-06-2005, 05:37 AM	#48
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	That's true too....but also a whole nother subject !! I think this is interesting hearing how everyone feels - and in no way is this about ANY of our mixed babies - I think it's just SUCH an explosion of puppy breeding in general that it's very hard these days to trust those breeders that have a pretty website or a great sales pitch - It's ALWAYS best to go with the breeder who you know for sure has a good reputation ...I learned THAT from my own experience The "GOOD" Breeders care and will take a loss if that's what it takes - the bad breeders sell sell sell. To the member named puppyperson...who just lost their baby at 8 months old......I'm so sorry for you - I know that must have been devestating. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 05-06-2005 at 05:42 AM.

05-06-2005, 05:59 AM	#49
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Crosspost from another site - What is a Breeder? A breeder is one who thirsts for knowledge and never really knows it all, one who wrestles with decision of conscience, convenience and commitment. One who sacrifices personal interests, finances, time, friendships, fancy furniture, and deep pile carpeting! She gives up the dreams of a long, luxurious cruise in favor of urning that all important show into this years vacation. A breeder goes without sleep (but never coffee) in hours spent planning a breeding or watching anxiously over the birth process and afterwards, over every little sneeze, wiggle or cry. Skips dinner parties because that litter is due or the babies have to be fed at eight. She disregards birth fluids and puts mouth to mouth to save a gasping newborn, literally blowing life into a tiny, helpless creature that may be the culmination of a lifetime of dreams. A breeders lap is a marvelous place where generations of proud and noble champions once snoozed. A breeders hands are strong and firm and often soiled, but ever so gentle and sensitive to the thrusts of a puppy's wet nose. A breeders back and knees are usually arthritic from stooping, bending, and sitting in the birthing box, but are strong enough to enable the breeder to show the next choice pup to a Championship. A breeders shoulders are stooped and often heaped with abuse from competitors, but they're wide enough to support the weight of a thousand defeats and frustrations. A breeders arms are always able to wield a mop, support an armfull of puppies, or lend a helping hand to a newcomer. A breeder's ears are wonderous things, sometimes red ( from being talked about ) or strangely shaped from being pressed against a phone receiver, often deaf to criticism, yet always fine tuned to the wimper of a sick puppy. A breeders eyes are blurred from pedigree research and sometimes blind to her own dog's faults, but they are ever so keen to the competitions faults and are always searching for the perfect specimen. A breeders brain is foggy on faces, but it can recall pedigres faster than an IBM computer. so full of knowledge that sometimes it blows a fuse: it catalougues thousands of good bonings, fine ears, and perfect heads and buries in the soul the failures and the ones that didn't turn out. A Breeder's Heart is often broken, but it beats strongly with hope everlasting and it is always in the right place. Oh, yes, there are breeders, and then, there are BREEDERS!! Author unknown __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

05-06-2005, 06:04 AM	#50
Biddy's Mom and Tucker's too! Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,134	red98vett - wow! That brought a tear to my eye & I'm at work! That's so beautiful & true... __________________ Jessica, Biddy, Tucker & Gertie

05-06-2005, 06:15 AM	#51
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I loved it to - it's such a tribute to those great breeders that have brought us our very loved pets ! __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

05-06-2005, 06:29 AM	#52
rrosenberry & Bailey & Bella Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,164	I totally agree! I know I couldn't do it! __________________ Rhonda, Bailey, Josie and my angel Bella Rue' "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France~

05-06-2005, 06:39 AM	#53
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeder Villette..that is soooo true. My friend, Judy was celebrating her anniversary, got all ready to go out for dinner/show...and her girl got inher whelping box and started to push..end of the party! LOL If it was illegal to ask money for dogs, I would still breed...BUT and IT is a BIG BUT...I would only have a litter every 2 or 3 yrs. I love puppies running around.

05-06-2005, 07:11 AM	#55
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	Pat - (yorkierose) YOU are one of the breeders that tribute is dedicated to - I feel I've known you long enough to be able to say that with conviction ! If I EVER had the chance to get a puppy from you I'd be elated ! __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

05-06-2005, 08:07 AM	#56
moonvalley Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ojai Posts: 88	eesensor & CC I do not want to offend: There is a need for every species to constantly evolve for many reasons that I will not go into here. Most breeds today have these health problems _BECAUSE_ the gene pool is too small. Without outcrossing and bringing in new genes, a breeding of a line controlled by humans is assurred doom. I did not give my opinion lightly: Go look up the Bernese Mountain dog- That beautiful dog- is doomed to extinction soon, if some breeders don't get smart and bring in _NEW_ genes to the pool. New genes do not mean from the same breed! True many dogs were bred for specific purposes, and many of us still use them for those purposes. That does not mean that we through ignorance should create the end of a particular breed of dog. One day, the lady may be the salvation of the yorkshire breed. Seek for understanding and tolerance for the love of the earth and its creatures, please. deborah- a biologist

05-06-2005, 08:12 AM	#57
pebblesmama Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86	I've enjoyed reading this post very much. It is a relief to read so many positive responses about breeders. It seems that so often we read negative things and assume that most breeders are "puppy mills" and irresponsible. While I agree that there are more of those than I care to admit, there are many, many other breeders who are fine, reputable, and responsible. People who love the responsibility and the challenge and the joys of puppies, whether they are purebreeds or mixed. I do not see what is wrong in doing something you love for the money either. I have always felt hesitant to "come out of the closet" and admit that I breed yorkies. I have feared what people on the forum may think. I am not breeding show material, but I do try to stay with the standard as closely as I can. As I have studied breeding and learned about line -breeding and in -breeding and cross-breeding and have realized what breeders do to the puppies that do not conform I have been sickened and never want to be included in that group that call themselves professionals. I do not claim to know everything about breeding, but how else does one learn? I love what I do and I think I am good at it. And yes, I have made money doing it. But you know what? Even if I didn't make money, I would still do it. I started doing it for the money, to put help pay my daughters college tuition. I continue doing it because it is fun. I do make money. I am proud of my little business and would gladly welcome anyone to my home to see what I have. I have two breeding females and one male. They live in our home and receive the best of care. In my 5 years, and 8 litters, I have never lost a single puppy. I have no known heredity issues with any of the puppies I have sold. I have many happy customers who I use for references. I have never sold a puppy to anyone who has not first come to my home. I have also bred my male to a maltese that belongs to a friend of mine and had the cutest little puppies I ever saw! I would do it again in a heartbeat. They have all gone to loving homes. I get very weary hearing from people who preach about breeders but then they are the first ones to go out and buy the smallest possible yorkie they can find. Somehow it's okay for them. It's alot of "do as I say and not as I do" if you ask me. Whew! Thanks for letting me vent - don't want to offend anyone but this has been alot of pent up feelings I've had. I say cheers to anyone who loves breeding dogs and does it well. I say BOOOO to anyone who mistreats their animals for any reason, profit included.

05-06-2005, 08:20 AM	#58
iheartyorkies Boppin' Bo! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,719	pebblesmama, what part of the country are you in? And you made your point well. I don't have a problem with a breeder making money. Isn't that everyones goal in life is to find what you love to do and actually get paid to do it? It sounds like you're the kind of breeder I would want my next pup from. __________________ ~~~ i yorkies ~~~ Cynthia Turbo and Suri! Last edited by iheartyorkies; 05-06-2005 at 08:26 AM.

05-06-2005, 08:21 AM	#59
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	[QUOTE=eensor[I]]"I was not mean to anyone an Yorkie Talk and am entitled to my opinion. "[/I] eensor: You are absolutely right. You just gave me the opportunity to try to get people to think differently about purebred versus mixed or mutt. In my eyes, neither is "better" than the other and I see no more reason for complaining when breeders choose to breed two breeds together than breeders who choose to breed the same breed together. The AKC is not dog "LAW". It is simply a private organization that exists for people who breed purebred dogs. That's it. If that is something you care about, that's terrific and you are totally free to participate in the "hobby", but it doesn't mean that people that "don't care about AKC" of other purebred reigstries are "wrong" or "bad" because they legally and, without harming anyone, breed dogs outside of the AKC or other registry rules. For some reason a prejudice exists against breeders who breed for money. There is also a prejudice against people who breed two different breeds. I don't know why since our country is founded on the entrepeneurial spirit and capitalist ideals and, in our society, dogs are considered "property". (I am not saying i agree with this but it is fact) Obviously and thankfully, we have laws against abusing animals, but basically anyone is free to breed any dog that they own to any other dog that they own or contract with the owner for breeding rights. I don't think any of these breeders who breed for money are contributing to the overpopulation of animals in animal shelters. We all see the posts of people searching for weeks and months for a puppy with no luck. There is a demand for mixed breed dogs and the puppies do not end up in shelters. If they did, the breeders would stop because they wouldn't be making any money and it wouldn't be worth the hard work and effort involved. As for the issue of "jobs" that dogs serve, they still have a job and breeders should be free to breed for hat "job". The job, in the case of the pet, is to be "man's best friend" and to provide comfort , unconditional love and loyalty to their owners. If that comes from a mixed breed breeder who breeds purely for the love of the animals, or a purebred breeder for profit, it shouldn't matter IMO. They are still performing their duty or their job. I think my last post may have come across as a little harsh toward conformation dog show hobbyists and I would like to clarify what I said. I have nothing against "beauty pageants" for people or dogs. My dauhgters participated in beauty pageants for years. I just wanted to use that analogy to show the "level of importance" that that reallly plays in the dog world in my opinion. It's a "hobby" and should not be taken so seriously in my opinion. It is not the "law" for all dogs and does not control ALL DOGS and all dog owners. Those who do not participate or care who wins are not mandated by their standards, etc. I really love to watch the shows on TV because I love to see beautiful dogs. I also love to watch agility shows and I used to show shepards in obedience as a child. I also grew up showing horses. To say that you should only breed dogs who come from "championship lines" or are "purebred" is the same to me as saying that, unless you win a beauty pageant you shouldn't have kids, or if your mother and father are from different nationalities you are worth less than someone whose parents are from the same nationality. Beauty pagenats do not "control" who is beautiful in our country or our world. There are plenty of beautiful people who never participated in a beauty pageant. In my opinion, it is the same with dogs. There are plenty of perfectly wonderful dogs who came from wonderful non-championship parents. Eensor, please don't take this the wrong way but, I don't see how everything about this breeder's website could make someone "sick". She sounds like a compassionate person who cares about her dogs and they were adorable dogs. I cannot recommend her because I know nothing about her other than the website and her response to eensors email. But, can you imagine how she must have felt to receive that email? All because she breeds two different breeds instead of the same breed? She was accused of not caring about the health and welfare of her puppies. If I were her, I would have been extremely offended. I am not trying to offend anyone here but I just wish we would all be a little less quick to judge and criticize. It's about "tolerance" in the end, for me, I think. Last edited by SoCalyorkiLvr; 05-06-2005 at 08:24 AM.

05-06-2005, 08:27 AM	#60
pebblesmama Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 86	I heartyorkies - I live in Idaho socalyorkilvr - Thank you - your post was intelligent, wonderfully stated, and right on!