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chachi · 10-18-2006, 03:27 PM

Poor baby. I would just keep her as comfortable as possible and hopefully the meds kick in and help her with the itching. What meds did the vet put her on? Chachi was on Prednisone. It really helped him but i noticed he slept more also.

doortego · 10-18-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by karmaistrue

I'm so worried , i don't know why this happened to her. What did I do wrong? Should I still get her brother Friday?

I am so glad you got a diagnosis and have started treatment for her. Best of luck to both of you. I am also glad that you have found a vet you like.

I think you definitely shouldn't get another right now if the vet said not to. I would however, tell the breeder what is happening in case any of the other pups might have it and need treatment. I would think that a responsible breeder wouldn't want you to take the other pup right now. Gia is going to need all your attention for a while.

nvnvgirl · 10-18-2006, 05:19 PM

I'm keeping you and Gia in my prayers and thoughts....what a thing to happen! Such a sweet baby too! But at least she's eating...that's a GOOD thing, IMO. Just let her sleep, that has to help her immune system too. I hope she recoves quickly from this. I personally wouldn't bring a new companion home right now, only b/c you have enough to deal with with Gia, and she needs your full attention right now....but maybe you're better than I am with new pets! All the very best thoughts are going your way from me and Max!

JESSY_RN2B · 10-18-2006, 05:31 PM

I am so sorry........those meds wore her out! Hugs

karmaistrue · 10-18-2006, 06:08 PM

Thanks you guys for all your get wells & your prayers. My little Gia s a fighter

I'm happy to report she is up & chopping down on her favorite bone. She even started attacking my socks

(Gia has a sock fetish). of course she's not 100% yet but she's doing a lot better than what she was a few hours ago. I kept checking on her to see if she was breathing

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that's how out of it she was. ( iwonder if she is going to be like this with every treatment). I'm going to call the vet again tom. to see if there is any food I can give her to build her immune system up
The scratching has just about stopped her skin even looks a lot better than earlier, the bumps are still there but not as red & not as swallow

Keep praying Guys

nvnvgirl · 10-19-2006, 08:43 AM

That's so good that she's more active! I know how you feel though~I'm a nurse, and I am beside myself if anything happens to my animals; they're so helpless and they can't TELL you how they feel, so I don't blame you for being a little frantic!
I hope you can find some things to improve her immune system~ I'm sure there's a lot of things that will help! Poor little girl, I feel so bad for her, but you were right on top of things, so she's a lucky girl that you got her help so fast! Best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery!

karmaistrue · 10-20-2006, 10:51 PM

Hi All !!!!

Gia is doing a lot better,she's moving around & back to her old self

Her skin is very red almost blk & blu but the vet told me it would be that way until she's done with treatment. the dip seems to have changed her texture of her coat. It's very dry and cotton looking & I also noticed when I comb her she is shedding a lot more than usually (but I can't treat her with anything, no oils, no baths, no nothing)
Well we decided to get her brother today based on the fact that Chewy was paid for & Gia was feeling much better
First things first

His plane was over 4 hrs late . Poor thing was in a carrier from 10am this morning until 7:30pm tonight

He got car sick on the way home or maybe he got sick from being on the plane that long

He smelled like he hadn't been washed since he was born (which was May 9th), the smell almost made me puke
Soon as I got him home I gave him some food & off to the bath he went.
He ate a little but not a lot I also gave him some nutrical (spelling)

As I was blow drying him I noticed his hair was very thin and he seemed to be suffering from the same thing Gia has (demodex) His scalp was very red
I had called the breeder before he left in the morning (6:45am) because she had not responded to my emails about Gia or Chewy's departure verification & she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation but I didn't think it was this bad. His whole belly and thighs are completely red

Chewy seems very withdrawn, when I got Gia she was all over the place , very friendly Chewy is the complete opposite

I know he's in a new environment & he needs to adjust but something just isn't smelling right, he seems so sad

I'm taking him to the same vet I took Gia to first thing in the morning so he can get on the right meds (because the med that was sent with him (the pink kind that smell like bubble gum) I don't think is going to cut it) & I also want to take him just to make sure he's okay . Looking at his shot record it doesn't even seem like he's had a stole sample done before

I kept Gia & Chewy separated for tonight. With Gia's resistance being down I don't want her to pick up anything if Chewy does have anything.

Hopefully we can get him started with treatments & they both can be 100% & happy

Julz · 10-21-2006, 06:07 AM

Oh my, that doesn't sound good AT ALL. Did you get another Yorkie? Please let us know what your vet says and how he is doing. Glad to hear that Gia is feeling better.

FlDebra · 10-21-2006, 06:50 AM

Even though Demodex (also called Red Mange) is not inherited, the deficiency of the antibodies to fight the mites infection is inherited. The breeder needs to know that now two of her puppies have shown this. The mother dog probably has mites and is transferring them to the puppies who are not resistant. The breeder probably needs to stop breeding the mother. It is hard to believe a responsible breeder would send out a puppy with a known skin condition that had not been thoroughly checked out. She needs to at least share in your vet bills and maybe even refund $$. I am so sorry this is happening to your babies and hope for their speedy recovery!

karmaistrue · 10-21-2006, 07:33 AM

I took Chewy to the vet:

He is loaded with demodex worst than what Gia has and being that his demodex hasn't been treated he has developed a skin infection over the demodex

He has ear mites

A fever

I paid 199.99 today for everything today

My poor puppy is so sick

He has yet to eat or make a bowel movement

So I've been giving him the nutrical & trying to encourage him to eat & drink water

Do not buy from this breeder & I even gave her good praises on here before (when I first got Gia), she is also a member on here Carteryorkies and her web site is www.carteryorkies.com

It's funny because when she wanted her $$$ she would email me back & forth all week. once I got in touch with her about Gia I didn't hear from her (only when I called her at 6:45am)

There is no way she could have not known that Chewy was sick, my Mom told me to send him back, but I can't do that

He would die, he's already been neglected & abused

The doctor is also going to start him on dips next week but he wants to wait until he eats to build up strength to take the powerful treatments

He afraid to be held & if you try to pet him he backs up (all signs of physical abuse)

He weights 4.9 & is very cute but very sad

Just pray for my babies !! I'm trying to be the best Mom I can be, even if it means using up my savings to get them better

Karin · 10-21-2006, 08:48 AM

That is so sad!!

I'm glad you're taking good care of him now and I do hope he will start eating and get better soon!

Lyz517 · 10-21-2006, 09:14 AM

You are being a very good mom to these babies! The breeder has handled this terribly and she should have been more responsible. The Vet that issued the health certificate should have picked up on all these obvious symptoms and he should not have been issued a certificate to fly at all!
So sorry you are having to deal with this, it is unfair and the breeder should compensate you. I will tell you that even compensating is not enough. The breeder should have treated this before shipping, or offered you a full refund since this puppy is not healthy at all.

I really think you may have to keep Gia and Chewy seperated for a bit longer.
Keep us updated, Im praying for them to get better asap.

karmaistrue · 10-21-2006, 01:28 PM

Thanks guys.

With that little bit of medicine Chewy has perked up (he doesn't look as sad anymore) of course he still has a long recovery

He's eating a little more, we even heard him bark

Him & Gia were having a conversation through the babygate (we have them separated until Monday when stole sample comes back & once his skin irritation clears up which will probably be in about a week or so) The demodex is not contagious so once his ear mites, & everything else clears up then they can PLAY !!!!

How can I go about contacting the proper authorities? I was going to contact the AKC & BBB

Franco Andres · 10-22-2006, 05:47 AM

I use this with my Franco and helps me 200%, a vet recommend me this and on ebay is more economic than the website. This is for boost immune system on dogs. This product save my little Franco thru a big infection in his skin and stomach. I will pray for chewy and Gia

Transfer Factor Canine Complete (60 Servings)
Ensuring the Best Overall Health for Dogs
Scientifically developed Transfer Factor Canine Complete combines comprehensive, balanced nutrition, including valuable vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants with the patented immune system support of Transfer Factor Advanced Formula. This formula provides the complete spectrum of nutrients to support your dog’s needs.

Primary Benefits
• Provides an all-in-one formula to give your dog complete nutritional and immune support
• Supports your dog’s ability to move freely and better cope with stress
• Provides patented and powerful Transfer Factor Advanced Formula support for the immune system

What makes this product unique?
• Transfer factors are tiny messenger molecules that transfer immunity information from one entity to another. These “smart molecules” support healthy immune responses, including the body’s ability to remember past health threats. • Independent laboratory tests reveal that 4Life Transfer Factor Advanced Formula boosts immune system effectiveness by raising Natural Killer cell function 283 percent. Natural Killer cells are on the front lines of your immune system. • The extraction processes for transfer factors from colostrum and egg sources are protected by US patents 4,816,563 (cow colostrum), 6,468,534 (egg yolks), and 6,866,868 (exclusive manufacturing techniques), with other patents pending. • This formula includes important amino acids, probiotics, and essential fatty acids. • For complete nutritional support, Transfer Factor Canine Complete provides the 25 vitamins and minerals considered essential for the optimal health of your dog.

FlDebra · 10-22-2006, 07:36 AM

<QUOTE["The demodex is not contagious so once his ear mites, & everything else clears up then they can PLAY !!!!"]QUOTE>

Demodex are mites and they can definately go from one pet to another -- even to a human in rare circumstances. Here is a site you might want to read through. http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/dem.html So the mites themselves are contagious and not hereditary, in fact, most dogs will have some -- the loss of immune fighting ability can be hereditary and not contagious. But young puppies can be more susceptible to the demodex mites, because their little immune systems are not fully developed yet.

You are fortunate to have found a vet to diagnose this so soon. I lost a Sharpei years ago to this. It took a third vet, after months of getting progressively worse with futile treatments, to finally give a correct diagnose. By then, it was too late as her CNS was affected by the underlying immune problem.
Your little ones are fortunate to have such a loving caregiver as you to make sure they get well.
I do hope you find the way to report this breeder for her abusive lack of care and concern.

10-18-2006, 03:27 PM	#31
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Poor baby. I would just keep her as comfortable as possible and hopefully the meds kick in and help her with the itching. What meds did the vet put her on? Chachi was on Prednisone. It really helped him but i noticed he slept more also. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

10-18-2006, 05:19 PM	#33
nvnvgirl Lovin' to the MAX!! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Yorkieville Posts: 2,774	I'm keeping you and Gia in my prayers and thoughts....what a thing to happen! Such a sweet baby too! But at least she's eating...that's a GOOD thing, IMO. Just let her sleep, that has to help her immune system too. I hope she recoves quickly from this. I personally wouldn't bring a new companion home right now, only b/c you have enough to deal with with Gia, and she needs your full attention right now....but maybe you're better than I am with new pets! All the very best thoughts are going your way from me and Max! __________________ Seana and Max and Madison too! Come visit me at: celebritydogwatcher.com

10-18-2006, 05:31 PM	#34
JESSY_RN2B Owned by 3 furballs Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,581	I am so sorry........those meds wore her out! Hugs __________________ Bobbi Yorkietalk http://www.dogster.com/dogs/395435 And now........little Aja too! http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/23776545

10-19-2006, 08:43 AM	#36
nvnvgirl Lovin' to the MAX!! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Yorkieville Posts: 2,774	That's so good that she's more active! I know how you feel though~I'm a nurse, and I am beside myself if anything happens to my animals; they're so helpless and they can't TELL you how they feel, so I don't blame you for being a little frantic! I hope you can find some things to improve her immune system~ I'm sure there's a lot of things that will help! Poor little girl, I feel so bad for her, but you were right on top of things, so she's a lucky girl that you got her help so fast! Best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery! __________________ Seana and Max and Madison too! Come visit me at: celebritydogwatcher.com

10-21-2006, 06:50 AM	#39
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Even though Demodex (also called Red Mange) is not inherited, the deficiency of the antibodies to fight the mites infection is inherited. The breeder needs to know that now two of her puppies have shown this. The mother dog probably has mites and is transferring them to the puppies who are not resistant. The breeder probably needs to stop breeding the mother. It is hard to believe a responsible breeder would send out a puppy with a known skin condition that had not been thoroughly checked out. She needs to at least share in your vet bills and maybe even refund $$. I am so sorry this is happening to your babies and hope for their speedy recovery! __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

10-18-2006, 06:08 PM	#35
karmaistrue YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jerzee Posts: 284	Thanks you guys for all your get wells & your prayers. My little Gia s a fighter I'm happy to report she is up & chopping down on her favorite bone. She even started attacking my socks (Gia has a sock fetish). of course she's not 100% yet but she's doing a lot better than what she was a few hours ago. I kept checking on her to see if she was breathing . that's how out of it she was. ( iwonder if she is going to be like this with every treatment). I'm going to call the vet again tom. to see if there is any food I can give her to build her immune system up The scratching has just about stopped her skin even looks a lot better than earlier, the bumps are still there but not as red & not as swallow Keep praying Guys

10-20-2006, 10:51 PM	#37
karmaistrue YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jerzee Posts: 284	Hi All !!!! Gia is doing a lot better,she's moving around & back to her old self Her skin is very red almost blk & blu but the vet told me it would be that way until she's done with treatment. the dip seems to have changed her texture of her coat. It's very dry and cotton looking & I also noticed when I comb her she is shedding a lot more than usually (but I can't treat her with anything, no oils, no baths, no nothing) Well we decided to get her brother today based on the fact that Chewy was paid for & Gia was feeling much better First things first His plane was over 4 hrs late . Poor thing was in a carrier from 10am this morning until 7:30pm tonight He got car sick on the way home or maybe he got sick from being on the plane that long He smelled like he hadn't been washed since he was born (which was May 9th), the smell almost made me puke Soon as I got him home I gave him some food & off to the bath he went. He ate a little but not a lot I also gave him some nutrical (spelling) As I was blow drying him I noticed his hair was very thin and he seemed to be suffering from the same thing Gia has (demodex) His scalp was very red I had called the breeder before he left in the morning (6:45am) because she had not responded to my emails about Gia or Chewy's departure verification & she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation but I didn't think it was this bad. His whole belly and thighs are completely red Chewy seems very withdrawn, when I got Gia she was all over the place , very friendly Chewy is the complete opposite I know he's in a new environment & he needs to adjust but something just isn't smelling right, he seems so sad I'm taking him to the same vet I took Gia to first thing in the morning so he can get on the right meds (because the med that was sent with him (the pink kind that smell like bubble gum) I don't think is going to cut it) & I also want to take him just to make sure he's okay . Looking at his shot record it doesn't even seem like he's had a stole sample done before I kept Gia & Chewy separated for tonight. With Gia's resistance being down I don't want her to pick up anything if Chewy does have anything. Hopefully we can get him started with treatments & they both can be 100% & happy

10-21-2006, 06:07 AM	#38
Julz Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 4,347	Oh my, that doesn't sound good AT ALL. Did you get another Yorkie? Please let us know what your vet says and how he is doing. Glad to hear that Gia is feeling better.

10-21-2006, 07:33 AM	#40
karmaistrue YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jerzee Posts: 284	I took Chewy to the vet: He is loaded with demodex worst than what Gia has and being that his demodex hasn't been treated he has developed a skin infection over the demodex He has ear mites A fever I paid 199.99 today for everything today My poor puppy is so sick He has yet to eat or make a bowel movement So I've been giving him the nutrical & trying to encourage him to eat & drink water Do not buy from this breeder & I even gave her good praises on here before (when I first got Gia), she is also a member on here Carteryorkies and her web site is www.carteryorkies.com It's funny because when she wanted her $$$ she would email me back & forth all week. once I got in touch with her about Gia I didn't hear from her (only when I called her at 6:45am) There is no way she could have not known that Chewy was sick, my Mom told me to send him back, but I can't do that He would die, he's already been neglected & abused The doctor is also going to start him on dips next week but he wants to wait until he eats to build up strength to take the powerful treatments He afraid to be held & if you try to pet him he backs up (all signs of physical abuse) He weights 4.9 & is very cute but very sad Just pray for my babies !! I'm trying to be the best Mom I can be, even if it means using up my savings to get them better

10-21-2006, 08:48 AM	#41
Karin Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 117	That is so sad!! I'm glad you're taking good care of him now and I do hope he will start eating and get better soon!

10-21-2006, 09:14 AM	#42
Lyz517 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 225	You are being a very good mom to these babies! The breeder has handled this terribly and she should have been more responsible. The Vet that issued the health certificate should have picked up on all these obvious symptoms and he should not have been issued a certificate to fly at all! So sorry you are having to deal with this, it is unfair and the breeder should compensate you. I will tell you that even compensating is not enough. The breeder should have treated this before shipping, or offered you a full refund since this puppy is not healthy at all. I really think you may have to keep Gia and Chewy seperated for a bit longer. Keep us updated, Im praying for them to get better asap. __________________ Lyz

10-21-2006, 01:28 PM	#43
karmaistrue YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Jerzee Posts: 284	Thanks guys. With that little bit of medicine Chewy has perked up (he doesn't look as sad anymore) of course he still has a long recovery He's eating a little more, we even heard him bark Him & Gia were having a conversation through the babygate (we have them separated until Monday when stole sample comes back & once his skin irritation clears up which will probably be in about a week or so) The demodex is not contagious so once his ear mites, & everything else clears up then they can PLAY !!!! How can I go about contacting the proper authorities? I was going to contact the AKC & BBB

10-22-2006, 05:47 AM	#44
Franco Andres Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: arecibo Posts: 14	This can help you very much I use this with my Franco and helps me 200%, a vet recommend me this and on ebay is more economic than the website. This is for boost immune system on dogs. This product save my little Franco thru a big infection in his skin and stomach. I will pray for chewy and Gia Transfer Factor Canine Complete (60 Servings) Ensuring the Best Overall Health for Dogs Scientifically developed Transfer Factor Canine Complete combines comprehensive, balanced nutrition, including valuable vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants with the patented immune system support of Transfer Factor Advanced Formula. This formula provides the complete spectrum of nutrients to support your dog’s needs. Primary Benefits • Provides an all-in-one formula to give your dog complete nutritional and immune support • Supports your dog’s ability to move freely and better cope with stress • Provides patented and powerful Transfer Factor Advanced Formula support for the immune system What makes this product unique? • Transfer factors are tiny messenger molecules that transfer immunity information from one entity to another. These “smart molecules” support healthy immune responses, including the body’s ability to remember past health threats. • Independent laboratory tests reveal that 4Life Transfer Factor Advanced Formula boosts immune system effectiveness by raising Natural Killer cell function 283 percent. Natural Killer cells are on the front lines of your immune system. • The extraction processes for transfer factors from colostrum and egg sources are protected by US patents 4,816,563 (cow colostrum), 6,468,534 (egg yolks), and 6,866,868 (exclusive manufacturing techniques), with other patents pending. • This formula includes important amino acids, probiotics, and essential fatty acids. • For complete nutritional support, Transfer Factor Canine Complete provides the 25 vitamins and minerals considered essential for the optimal health of your dog.

10-22-2006, 07:36 AM	#45
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	<QUOTE["The demodex is not contagious so once his ear mites, & everything else clears up then they can PLAY !!!!"]QUOTE> Demodex are mites and they can definately go from one pet to another -- even to a human in rare circumstances. Here is a site you might want to read through. http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/dem.html So the mites themselves are contagious and not hereditary, in fact, most dogs will have some -- the loss of immune fighting ability can be hereditary and not contagious. But young puppies can be more susceptible to the demodex mites, because their little immune systems are not fully developed yet. You are fortunate to have found a vet to diagnose this so soon. I lost a Sharpei years ago to this. It took a third vet, after months of getting progressively worse with futile treatments, to finally give a correct diagnose. By then, it was too late as her CNS was affected by the underlying immune problem. Your little ones are fortunate to have such a loving caregiver as you to make sure they get well. I do hope you find the way to report this breeder for her abusive lack of care and concern. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard