hitting with newspaper???

[typerk]

I would simply say to crate train your dog. Hitting it for potty accidents won't help at all. Crate train her or else it will continue to go in the house.

[yorkieheart]

You are not a bad mommy! Just dont do it again because it scares the little one.

[oceanair27]

Originally Posted by jbarile

Objectionable pet behavior is the No. 1 reason people have unsatisfactory relationships with their dog," says Dr. Rolan Tripp, veterinarian and behaviorist who spoke on animal behavior to veterinary students at the University of Illinois College of Veterinary Medicine. More dogs die as a result of behavior problems than all preventable medical problems combined. Frustrated owners simply give up, and their untrained dogs often end up in animal shelters with uncertain fates.

Part of the problem lies in miscommunication. It's easier than you think to teach your dog the wrong thing. Well-meaning owners do it all the time. We've all seen owners yell and yell for a dog to come as the dog blissfully ignores the command, madly chasing squirrels instead. When finally the dog comes, the frustrated owner may pop the dog on the nose and yell some more. The message? Would you go to somebody who might hit and yell at you? Consistent training and positive reinforcement with treats and praise work a lot better to enforce the right message.

Teaching a dog proper behavior means knowing how to correct him when he does something inappropriate. Dr. Tripp points out that there are both good and bad ways to correct a pet. Owners should avoid spanking, kicking, "rubbing his nose in it," or yelling at a dog. Besides rarely communicating the message the owner intends, this type of correction can cause even more behavior problems.

"If you spank a dog for going to the bathroom inside, the message is, 'don't do it when I'm looking,'" says Dr. Tripp. "By rubbing his nose in it, the dog thinks, 'you want me to eat my own feces?' That can cause coprophagia [eating feces]."

Good corrections interrupt the undesirable behavior, then give a positive command, such as "sit." "When the dog doesn't 'sit,' ignore her and walk away," says Dr. Tripp. "Try again after two or three minutes of isolation. When she does it right, praise her."

Appropriate interruptions can include water spray, a collar correction, and use of a head halter. Many owners find that water in a spray bottle is an effective way to distract a barking or jumping dog, so that you can reward the opposite-being quiet. But sometimes owners will look to prong collars or choke collars for help in controlling behavior problems. Remember that these collars are not a substitute for putting in the time needed for obedience training and that they can be very dangerous.

"Collar corrections, especially choke chains, are overdone and misused by almost every owner. Used properly, a choke chain is meant to make a noisy 'pop,' not to jerk the dog around by his neck. These collars can easily damage a dog's neck, or asphyxiate and even kill a dog," says Dr. Tripp. If you want to try a correction collar, make sure you learn to use it correctly.

Head halters that go around a dog's muzzle and just behind the ears are a great alternative to the traditional neck collar, or prong collars, since they avoid putting pressure on the vertebrae of the neck, the thyroid, and trachea. They work by putting pressure on the muzzle and scruff-two areas to which a dog is naturally responsive. The collar also pulls the dog's entire head around so that when she pulls, she looks back toward the walker. "Dogs may struggle with the head halter for the first ten minutes, but after that they don't seem to notice it and are much more obedient," says Dr. Tripp.

A common history in dogs with behavior problems is that they are not walked regularly. Owners may have difficulty walking a dog that pulls, so walks become less and less frequent. A dog that is not exercised regularly will find other -- often destructive -- ways to vent his energy. That's why teaching your dog to walk calmly on a leash is so important. "If the dog pulls on the leash, change directions suddenly. Whoever determines the direction has leadership. The idea is to interrupt the bad behavior and praise the good," says Dr. Tripp.

Learning to communicate with your dog is complicated. But when it comes to dogs, a little patience and consistent training will earn you years of enjoyment. Talk to your veterinarian or enroll in a local training class to master the communication tools you need to make the most of your relationship with your dog. You'll find more behavior tips from Dr. Tripp online in the "Behavior Center" section of www.petopia.com.



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I know these arent your specific words so please dont take offence,and I also dont agree with the spanking swatting ect...But, I do have to say, What is the difference between swatting your dog with a newspaper, and using a choke chain or prong collar? In my oppinion those are just as bad if not worse. I think the person that invented the prong collar needs to wear one themselves and let me hold the leash

[MeganS]

ugh. the prong collar makes my stomache turn. I dont know how anyone could make their dog wear that.

[TootiesMom]

I am not sure why, but the more I read lately, the more I find bitterness among us .... I was SO HAPPY to find this place that everyone was so happy helpful and lately it seems that many people are angry.

I TOTALLY disagree with hitting a dog and dont even want to get in that discussion but I sure wish I would log on and find the happy go lucky group of people that I came to love reading.....

[Lissy]

Originally Posted by oceanair27

I know these arent your specific words so please dont take offence,and I also dont agree with the spanking swatting ect...But, I do have to say, What is the difference between swatting your dog with a newspaper, and using a choke chain or prong collar? In my oppinion those are just as bad if not worse. I think the person that invented the prong collar needs to wear one themselves and let me hold the leash

Okay before I say anything further, I do not condone the use of a choke collar or a prong collar. But from what I've read a prong collar is actually better than a choke collar when used correctly because it limits the pressure applied to the neck. I know someone who uses it on their dogs (not small dogs... prong collars are not recommended for small dogs) have used it on their own necks and it didn't hurt. It just applied a little bit of presssure.

Choke collars on the other hand do not limit the pressure at all and causes more trauma to the dog.

[dean29]

I came here to reply to the original thread starter:
I don't think hitting the dog w/ a newspaper is the best idea. If you research the best training methods (for yorkies), most people here will say use positive reinforcement. It'd be horrible for your dog to be scared of you. I stern "NO. BAD girl/boy. NO!. BAD!" etc is enough. I then pick him/her up and bring him outside and say in a nice voice "Go Pottyy" and wait til they pee.

[Annie&Badger]

Originally Posted by MeganS

I'm not even going to mention the spanking (yet) but here's one things I noticed in your post, Rae Rae. you said to "shove their nose right up to it." that is absolutly NOT what you are supposed to do. that makes them ashamed to go potty at all. shoving their noses in it makes them think, "I'm not supposed to go potty it's bad."

when you catch your dog going potty in the house, you don't hit them, don't scream, don't flip out. just pick them up (if theyre small) say NO in a very firm voice (not yelling) and take them to the proper place where they are supposed to go. positive re-inforcement works better than flipping out every time your dog has an accident. (this last party was directed to no one imperticular..just in general)

100% ^

I can't believe that anyone would advise smacking a dog, or a child for that matter (for what it's worth, my mother used to give me the odd disciplinary 'tap' which resulted in my being hospitalised on two separate occasions. So please don't even bother telling me that's an effective way to get any kind of result)

Dogs only live to do one thing: make you happy. If you understand that, you're all the way to getting them to do whatever you want. If Badger does something I don't want him to do, I just say "No" in a firm voice. As soon as he stops doing it (and it must be immediately), I go "Good boy! Mummy's Angel! Good Boy!". That way he knows immediately what is expected of him and he's only too delighted to carry on doing the 'right' thing. Sure he has the odd 'mistake' or 'accident' but don't we all

Violence begets violence and nothing else

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by oceanair27

I know these arent your specific words so please dont take offence,and I also dont agree with the spanking swatting ect...But, I do have to say, What is the difference between swatting your dog with a newspaper, and using a choke chain or prong collar? In my oppinion those are just as bad if not worse. I think the person that invented the prong collar needs to wear one themselves and let me hold the leash

No I wouldn't take offence! because I didn't write it haha, I just didn't want to comment, like If you can't say anything nice.... and I do not agree about the collar (prongs) all that choker talk , these are domestics pets and are given to us to protect and love not to swat with anything, let alone rub their noses in in the poo or pee! I kiss these faces! by the time i posted it and read it, time was up to edit it! I only agree about the hitting and rubbing their noses in and assumed the remaining chapter stayed on track! my fault for not reading the complete article! I apologize for not reading on. I really think it is abuse when you hit, spank, choke a pet they are little aninmals and they are our children and spanking ,hitting any living creature, or human being is abuse, and if I ever saw anyone harm, hit or dog, or child! I would report it as abuse! I remember hearing this train your pet with this newspaper thing when I was growing up, and back then it was all about controlling someone! well pets are companions to love, they love us unconditonaly, Sami has his little accidents recently and I know it's because of the changes were moving.. all he sees is boxes his safe place is no longer there and I know tilly & sami both are feeling this, I just pick up the poo no big deal little toostie rolls LOL I just clean and spray the area! see everyone soon. Im shutting down and packing it up...

[typerk]

Originally Posted by TootiesMom

I am not sure why, but the more I read lately, the more I find bitterness among us .... I was SO HAPPY to find this place that everyone was so happy helpful and lately it seems that many people are angry.

I TOTALLY disagree with hitting a dog and dont even want to get in that discussion but I sure wish I would log on and find the happy go lucky group of people that I came to love reading.....

I have to concur wholeheartedly with this. If someone says something certain people don't agree with they go on attacking them. It seems to be always about their way being right and everyone else's way being wrong. I think instead of getting on high horses around here we should all just accept the fact that not everyone trains their dog the same.

[Bailey's Peeps]

I've had numerous dogs in my life. All of them where what I thought were small dogs - until I get a Yorkie and learned what "small " really is. Back in those days, I always swatted my dogs to get their attention when necessary, and all of them were great friends and companions until they died at a ripe old age.

BUT - just because it can work to use that sort of approach in training doesn't mean it should be used. I'm learning with Bailey that it does take more time, more patience, more attention to your pet, to train by positive reinforcement alone - but it's a lot more rewarding.

Looking back on my behavior with my other dogs, my actions said "look, I don't have the time to mess with you. You're going to do things my way and you're going to do it now." I'm older, more patient, and I hope a little wiser now. I want my actions to say to Bailey "I'll take all the time necessary for us to learn to live together on my terms. You'll learn that what I expect from your behavior works well for both of us - so pay attention and we'll get through your growing-up stages just fine." That can be expressed through positive reinforcement alone. In fact, it works far better through positive reinforcement alone.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by sylvan

Children are children and dogs are dogs. You certainly cannot use the same training methods on canines as you use on humans and I would not compare the two.. Dogs trained using intimidation tactics are not dogs I would ever trust in the long run. It may have 'worked' for you, but a fearful dog can become an aggressive dog given an unforseen trigger. Ask anyone that has tried to retrain any of the many dogs that end up in rescue due to the use of these types of 'training' techniques.

EXCELLENT post!

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by Annie&Badger

Violence begets violence and nothing else

I agree with you 100%. Well said!

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by dolcegal2002

my dog continues to "have accidents" at home, that are totally unexplained because wetake him out a lot and "when he wants to" he goes to the wee wee pad. in fact two days ago he did pee pee on the living room carpet so i finally spanked him with the newspaper (very soft) like everyone told me to at home, he was sad but came near me. didnt pee inside for two days.

yesterday he peed inside 3 times! in places where he had never even gone before!!! so i spanked him once iwth the newspaper (i hate doing it but they say it works well he was reeally mad at me and sad. wouldnt come near me (duh) and after 20 minutes he came to me and licked my feet as of to apologize and then i realize, apologize for what? i am a monster!!! how can i hit my little baby!!!? specially after he going missing for two hours the day before.

i am ashamed of myself and wont do it again, i hope he will forgive me.

sorry i havent read all this so excuse me if i ask something thats already been asked but how old is the dog and has he got all his boy bits?

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by oceanair27

I know these arent your specific words so please dont take offence,and I also dont agree with the spanking swatting ect...But, I do have to say, What is the difference between swatting your dog with a newspaper, and using a choke chain or prong collar? In my oppinion those are just as bad if not worse. I think the person that invented the prong collar needs to wear one themselves and let me hold the leash

Think of it this way. Have you ever had a dog that attacks people..we don't want to risk him biting anyone, and don't want to put him down. When you have a vicious dog and take him to the training and you are told by the trainer to always keep it on him, along w/ a choker chain, you might have a different opinion on this. I always thought the pronged ones were harsh too, until I got this dog and we did our research on it.