hitting with newspaper???

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by sylvan

this will not work and is probably the worst advice I have seen on this forum in a very long time.

It won't? Then tell me why it worked w/ all of my previous dogs?



BTW, please don't act like you KNOW something if you don't. Thanks.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

It won't? Then tell me why it worked w/ all of my previous dogs?



BTW, please don't act like you KNOW something if you don't. Thanks.

I dont know Sylvan knows an awful lot. She is a well respected breeder on here

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont know Sylvan knows an awful lot. She is a well respected breeder on here

Well when someone tells you something won't work, and you know it has, obviously they don't know...correct?

Besides, even experts can be wrong at times. No one is perfect and no one knows everything.

[browniesmom622]

there is no reason AT ALL to hit a dog EVER i have trained all my dogs to go potty out side just by useing postive training everyime they go i made it a big deal saying good boy and they were trained BEFORE 9 weeks old

i do not believe in hitting i think people should hit themselves everytime there yorkie goes inside cause they werent confined or being watched
JMO

[browniesmom622]

Originally Posted by sylvan

this will not work and is probably the worst advice I have seen on this forum in a very long time.

I agree

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by browniesmom622

there is no reason AT ALL to hit a dog EVER i have trained all my dogs to go potty out side just by useing postive training everyime they go i made it a big deal saying good boy and they were trained BEFORE 9 weeks old

i do not believe in hitting i think people should hit themselves everytime there yorkie goes inside cause they werent confined or being watched
JMO

Are you talking to my post or the original one?

[browniesmom622]

Everyone that hits there dog

[cutiepatutie627]

There's no need for anyone to get offensive that's just how someone feels and they are allowed to express it and they werent' talking directly to you they were saying in general!! As for hitting them with newspaper it's abserd and unheard of and is mean!! It'll make the dog mean or make them agressive which is wrong!! If this affends anyone I am sorry but this is my view on it!!

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by browniesmom622

Everyone that hits there dog

Do you believe in spanking children? And I dont even mean hard, I mean "tap" to let them know what their doing isn't good. I think that there are certain things that diserve a spanking, and other things that don't. But this is just my opinion, and while some might say it doesn't work, I have seen the results on my dogs and they have all been fine. Remember Im not talking about beating either, there is a huge difference between tapping a dogs behind w/ a paper and actaully beating it.

I think that this is something that is up to each individual person. Like spanking children, it's an endless debate, so I think we all might as well agree to disagree.

[browniesmom622]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

Do you believe in spanking children? And I dont even mean hard, I mean "tap" to let them know what their doing isn't good. I think that there are certain things that diserve a spanking, and other things that don't. But this is just my opinion, and while some might say it doesn't work, I have seen the results on my dogs and they have all been fine. Remember Im not talking about beating either, there is a huge difference between tapping a dogs behind w/ a paper and actaully beating it.

I think that this is something that is up to each individual person. Like spanking children, it's an endless debate, so I think we all might as well agree to disagree.

no i dont believe in it at all i believe in telling a child no if not they get a time out as do my dogs get time out
this is why now a days children & animals get taken away there are other ways of dealing with it
i think its not training its making them scared to do something
its your opinion but ive read your few posts and youve owned Big dogs if im right you dont even have your yorkie yet i sure hope you dont spank and tiny yorkie
anyways since my post wasnt directed at you

to the original poster - dont worry things will get better get a trainer or make sure when he/she goes potty where you want give LOTS LOTS LOTS of praise youll get it

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

Do you believe in spanking children? And I dont even mean hard, I mean "tap" to let them know what their doing isn't good. I think that there are certain things that diserve a spanking, and other things that don't. But this is just my opinion, and while some might say it doesn't work, I have seen the results on my dogs and they have all been fine. Remember Im not talking about beating either, there is a huge difference between tapping a dogs behind w/ a paper and actaully beating it.

I think that this is something that is up to each individual person. Like spanking children, it's an endless debate, so I think we all might as well agree to disagree.

Spanking children is no comparison....these dogs are 5 lbs average, you DO NOT HIT a dog into intimadation!!!! Plain and simply positive re-enforcement begets positive response and behavior!

[sylvan]

Children are children and dogs are dogs. You certainly cannot use the same training methods on canines as you use on humans and I would not compare the two.. Dogs trained using intimidation tactics are not dogs I would ever trust in the long run. It may have 'worked' for you, but a fearful dog can become an aggressive dog given an unforseen trigger. Ask anyone that has tried to retrain any of the many dogs that end up in rescue due to the use of these types of 'training' techniques.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by sylvan

Children are children and dogs are dogs. You certainly cannot use the same training methods on canines as you use on humans and I would not compare the two.. Dogs trained using intimidation tactics are not dogs I would ever trust in the long run. It may have 'worked' for you, but a fearful dog can become an aggressive dog given an unforseen trigger. Ask anyone that has tried to retrain any of the many dogs that end up in rescue due to the use of these types of 'training' techniques.

I agree with Stacy. Your dog is not going to know why your hitting him and its just going to make him scared. Rubbing a puppy's nose in his pee or poop isn't going to make the puppy not go in the house anymore. Once the puppy has peed or pooped in the house he forgets he did it within seconds so if you punish him after he did it he is not going to know why you are punishing him and sticking his nose in poop. People think that dogs know when they did something bad, like pee in the house. Your dog is not reacting to you being mad about poop. Your dog is reacting to your body language and tone of voice. he doesn't know what your mad about or why your yelling at him. Using a loud angry voice and leaning into/over your dog is a sign of aggression and you are going to get a cowering scared reaction from the puppy. dogs are not people. They react differently then people and their mental capabilities are different. They can not associate you punishing and hitting them with newspaper with them pooping on the floor minutes or even seconds beforehand. they just know that mommy or daddy is mad and is hitting. This makes a scared and intimidated dog, who i wouldn't trust in the long run. There are many good books about dog behavior that you can pick up in barnes and noble that will teach you alot about training, a dogs learning ability, and dogs mental capabilities. If anyone would like the names of some that i've read please pm me if interested.

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by browniesmom622

no i dont believe in it at all i believe in telling a child no if not they get a time out as do my dogs get time out
this is why now a days children & animals get taken away there are other ways of dealing with it
i think its not training its making them scared to do something
its your opinion but ive read your few posts and youve owned Big dogs if im right you dont even have your yorkie yet i sure hope you dont spank and tiny yorkie
anyways since my post wasnt directed at you

to the original poster - dont worry things will get better get a trainer or make sure when he/she goes potty where you want give LOTS LOTS LOTS of praise youll get it

Like I said, this is an endless topic, very debatable and I'd rather not get into it. I've researched child spanking in HS, dont remember that much, but trust me it goes everyway. Just remember that not every spanking is a beating, and as for kids getting taken away from their parents for a spanking? I think your considering all spankings as beating, which is not true.

Yes I am talking about my bigger dogs that I have owned. I am a firm believer that if the dog is acting like it is the master, knows their doing wrong, they diserve a spanking. As for a 5lb dog, do they diserve it if they are doing something they KNOW is wrong? Yes. Would I do it to a 5lb dog? No for the simple fact that I wouldn't want to break any bones, they are soo much more fragile then bigger dogs.

And as for the training issue, please re-read my post and notice I said I don't spank as a training method, but when my dog does something he knows is wrong and continues to do it anyways.

Also, we have taken our dogs to training classes and this is how the trainers teach. When the dog tries to act as if he is the master, to show him he is not. Now for smaller dogs I don't know if they try to act as if they are the boss, but this can be a problem with bigger breeds. They can try to take advantage of their owner if they are stronger and/or capable of it.

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by sylvan

Children are children and dogs are dogs. You certainly cannot use the same training methods on canines as you use on humans and I would not compare the two.. Dogs trained using intimidation tactics are not dogs I would ever trust in the long run. It may have 'worked' for you, but a fearful dog can become an aggressive dog given an unforseen trigger. Ask anyone that has tried to retrain any of the many dogs that end up in rescue due to the use of these types of 'training' techniques.

So would you spank a child but not spank a dog? I'd rather spank a dog than a child. I mean a child is a human for crying out loud.

Yes you can compare the two to a degree. Example: Potty training. When potty training a dog or teaching a kid to use a toilet instead of diapers, are you going to beat them if they dont do it? No. Its better to use positive reinforcement. Another Example: If a dog tries to bite you are you going to do nothing about it? Sometimes putting him in a cage or timeout isn't going to solve it. Now if a child does something that they know is wrong, is it OK to spank them, but not a dog when they do something that they know is wrong?

There is no need to put the words work and train in quotes because it has worked as a discipline method, NOT training like I said. And as for training, please tell me when and where I said I train my dogs by spanking them. I remember clearly stating I do NOT train them by stating them, so if you somehow misinterpretted that, I hope you understand now. Also I would like to add that smacking (not hard enough to hurt, but hard enough to startle) is OK to do in cases when the dog is ignoring it's commands, disobeying the owner when it knows better, or is trying to act like it is the master. My mom was taught this from a licensed dog trainer. Once again, I am talking about bigger dogs, as for smaller dogs I won't speak for.

As for the fearfulness, a smack to show the dog who is the master will not make your dog fearfull. Beating your dog? Of course that will, but that is not what I'm talking about.