Horrible dog training school!!!

[xDaisy's_Mummyx]

Ive been looking into taking Daisy to a dog training school and found one quite close to where i live. I emailed the trainer and she seemed very nice i told her about Daisy and she said to bring her along this evening.
There where around 11 puppys and atleast 8 of them where very large breeds and all of them where trying to attack eachother! My poor Daisy was terrified but i thought we should stay for a while to see what it was like once the trainer got there.Thats when it went from bad to worse!!
She arrived and told all the owners to put the choke chains on their pups!! Even the 5 month yorkie!!! Then if a pup done anything wrong she yanked the chain so hard and yelled at the poor pup!! One little chi was even choking and trying to catch its breath! I got up to leave and a standard poodle pup ran from its owner and started attacking the lil yorkie!!! It was so awfull i left in tears i cant believe that people would actually take their furbabys to such a place. Me and Daisy will deffintely not be going back!!!!

[JeanieK]

What a horrible experience. Good grief!! a choke chain on a yorkie, isn't that overkill.

[chachi]

That is horrible. Those choke chains can damage a yorkies delicate trachea. Obviously that trainer is not familiar with small breeds. You were smart to leave hopefully some of the other people took your cue and left as well.

[yorkieK9trainer]

Until they're adults and they've had enough training that they need minimal corrections.
I use a prong collar on my little ones personally when working in Obedience and doing tricks. Then we move to choke collars and then to a buckle collar or nothing at all and they respond just as well as if they were on the prong collar.
And before I get those "Oh, prong collars are terrible" comments, please save yourself the breath. You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm glad you walked out. I hope you call her and let her know just what it is that you disagreed w/ so she can decide how to better herself and/or her training.

[Juliealfies mum]

Thats why I dont take Alfie and Lottie to classes here! Even our vet does not recommend the local classes, same problem. I am just clicker training them myself better no class than a bad class!

[dianne]

My god cant you report that place to the spca? that is nothing short of abuse! please follow this up and dont let them get away with this.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by chachi

That is horrible. Those choke chains can damage a yorkies delicate trachea. Obviously that trainer is not familiar with small breeds. You were smart to leave hopefully some of the other people took your cue and left as well.

I agree !

That sounds pretty rough and I would have left too - someone could have been really hurt - do they always do Big dogs AND little dogs in the same classes ? I'd want a size limit if I were ever to do that...sheesh - talk about a bad experience ...

Poor Daisy - I don't blame her for being scared

and wow K9Trainer - Why are you constantly jumping on people ? If someone wants to comment -it's their RIGHT. Just like it is YOUR Right to post what you want.

[bchgirl]

I don't blame you one bit. That trainer is whacked....

[dianne]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Until they're adults and they've had enough training that they need minimal corrections.
I use a prong collar on my little ones personally when working in Obedience and doing tricks. Then we move to choke collars and then to a buckle collar or nothing at all and they respond just as well as if they were on the prong collar.
And before I get those "Oh, prong collars are terrible" comments, please save yourself the breath. You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm glad you walked out. I hope you call her and let her know just what it is that you disagreed w/ so she can decide how to better herself and/or her training.

Whats a prong collar ? it sounds horrible.Cant agree with you. I use to use a choke collar on our big dog till I learnt from other people how cruel they are and you know the old saying when you know better you do better.I cant understand your reasoning for those sort of collars.

[Annie&Badger]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Until they're adults and they've had enough training that they need minimal corrections.
I use a prong collar on my little ones personally when working in Obedience and doing tricks. Then we move to choke collars and then to a buckle collar or nothing at all and they respond just as well as if they were on the prong collar.
And before I get those "Oh, prong collars are terrible" comments, please save yourself the breath. You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm glad you walked out. I hope you call her and let her know just what it is that you disagreed w/ so she can decide how to better herself and/or her training.

You use choke collars on Yorkies?! I can't believe you do that. Wow

And I'm sorry xDaisy'sMummyx. I wouldn't go back either and you should demand a refund. That woman should have separated the dogs and not allowed such a situation as your dog being attacked to have arisen. You should report her to whatever dog training association she belongs to.

Edit: I see you're in the UK. I'm wondering if that was a Petsmart class you went to... In any event, you should definitely report her. She shouldn't be training dogs on choke leads

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by dianne

Whats a prong collar ? it sounds horrible.Cant agree with you. I use to use a choke collar on our big dog till I learnt from other people how cruel they are and you know the old saying when you know better you do better.I cant understand your reasoning for those sort of collars.

A prong collar is what some people call a pincher collar. It is made out of prongs and when you pull it like a choker it will pinch your dog's neck. Of course they put plastic tips on it so that it does not really dig in to your dog, but still it is what it is. I have used them on some big dogs, but I would never in a million years use them on a small dog. I have seen owners who used them on small dogs, they seem to yelp and scream and yorkies have soft vocal cords which could damage them by using this, while the bigger dogs adjust well to the collar and tend not to yelp or anything.

[Kirby's Dad]

Originally Posted by dianne

Whats a prong collar ? it sounds horrible.Cant agree with you. I use to use a choke collar on our big dog till I learnt from other people how cruel they are and you know the old saying when you know better you do better.I cant understand your reasoning for those sort of collars.

This is a prong collar

http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...ong+collar&N=2

It has spikes on the INSIDE and when you pull on it the spikes extend and stab into the neck of the dog. I can't believe that you use one (yorkieK9trainer) on yorkies. I can't believe that you would use one on ANY dog other than a large breed with serious behavior problems that require drastic measures.

Oh and I would find a trainer that specializes in small breeds, that sounds like a horrible experience for the dog (and you). If they're scared to death they're not going to learn much.

[Lissy]

Apparently (and I use this because I'm not sure how accurate this info is), prong collars are much more humane than choke collars because prong collars limit the amount of pressure applied to the dog's throat so there's no risk of actually choking the dog to death. I've read of people mentioning a study that was done, showing that dogs on the prong collar had drastically less injuries than those on a choke collar.

Of course, I also saw a site that did not recommend the use of either collars on small dogs, such as Yorkies. Mainly because of their delicate tracheas.

By the way, the spikes on the inside of the prong collar is not supposed to stab the dog... according to several sites.

In any case, I won't be using them on my Yorkie... and the only collar she'll be wearing is a breakaway one.

[xDaisy's_Mummyx]

I reported her to the rspca this morning and someone is going to attend her next class and take a look and no it wasnt a petsmart class .I dont agree at all with using a choke collar or a prong collar on small dogs you could so easily crush their lil windpipes unless you actually know what your doing and even then i still dont think its right

[chachi]

Those prong collors look horrible. I cant believe someone would use one of those for a yorkie!