Humiliated at Target

[Passionfruition]

Originally Posted by Hickey007

Ok I'm not trying to belittle your situation, actually I completely agree he shouldn't have acted like that. However, I must admit I started laughing half way through your story when you were talking about him continuing to move closer like you were going to run away or escape. I pictured a crazy lady running loose in Target with a dog in a carrier on her arm, trying to get back to the dressing rooms to continue trying on swimming suits. All the while some little pesky manager chasing after. You must admit this picture is pretty funny.

I'm just going to write a letter and then end it, at least in my mind. I think the situation deserves being reported but other than that, I'd rather just put it behind me, lol.

I'm glad you laughed! Writing is one of my better talents and I enjoy being able to communicate my stories in ways that are both truthful and enjoyable to the reader. Photography is my hobby and my career and I enjoy communicating with pictures, but when I can't, I try even harder to help whoever is reading what I'm writing be able to picture it in their mind as it happened to me. So, anyway, again thank you! I play the situation back in my mind and wonder how things would have gone if I started running towards the back of the store instead of the front/exit.....and the manager would have had to call more security guards and I'd be zig-zagging around the aisles, running so fast that I knock things off the racks and the security guards trip over them like a scene from Home Alone.....lol, I would have never done it but it's fun to imagine in my mind, ROTF.

[GeorgiesMomma]

thanks for that mental picture that is funny you running through Target with your furbaby thinking "what is this crazy lady doing" LOL. I totally understand your point and why you are upset. I posted a thread a couple of weeks ago about my neice being upset because my puppy pee'd in her apartment and I think people thought that I was mad she got upset instead I was really mad because of the way she handled things. Stores have the right to decide if animals are allowed, but they also have the oligation to be considerate when a customer is simply doing what was asked of them and that's leave with their dog. Like I said in my last post I would file a complaint to the manager. Good luck with everything

[Brandy101b]

[QUOTE=winnismom]Ummm ok what am I missing here?? Brandy I have no idea why you quoted me and proceed to type what i'm saying is insane. I think maybe you are the one who is a little confused. My quote was in response to Kathryn V about her being serious or joking in her post. Not sure what you're thinking![/QUOTE



Sorry I was quoting the person you qouted.

[Annie&Badger]

That's terrible. What are the laws there on assault? In the UK, if you put your hands on someone in a public place (i.e. an office, store, library, etc.), it is constituted as assault and a matter for the police. He definitely shouldn't have been putting his hands on you and he definitely over-reacted. What a twerp

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by Passionfruition

I realize that every time I take Sully with me to run my errands, there's a chance I'll get asked to leave. I know this full well, and that's ok. I know Wal-Mart is very strict with their policy, so I never take him on errands when they include Wal-Mart, etc.

I was not aware that Target did not allow pets, but I was not surprised when I was asked to leave. In fact, I immediately shrugged it off, put on my shoes and politely headed out.

My whole post was complaining about HOW I WAS TREATED by the manager, not at all that I got asked to leave. That was already taken into consideration when I left my house with Sully to begin with.

I am not humiliated by being asked to leave. I understand that "no dogs" means no dogs big or small, I don't need to "learn" this lesson. All I'm saying is that the way I was treated was rude and uncalled for.

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To everyone else - thanks so much for your advice and encouragement! I will definitely be filing a complaint and you bet I'll be keeping you posted! Even if nothing happens, you guys are right, his behavior needs to be reported.

Good for you Val. I know what you mean. You felt like you were being treated like a criminal b/c you brought a doggy into a store. Granted, rules are rules, but don't treat someone like they committed a crime b/c in my understanding, it's not a crime to bring a dog into a store. A rule, maybe, a crime, no. All he had to do was politely ask you to leave, and that's it. I had that problem before. Don't treat me like I'm some criminal. I'm a customer. You treat me with respect, and you get it back. Val, if that was me, I wouldn't have been as nice as you. He probably WOULD have had to call the cops by the time I got done with him. Please let us know exactly what you decide to do and keep us updated! Good luck hon!

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by SnowWa

QUOTE: Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.
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If your children behaved the way the ones I'm talking about did ---( I doubt they would) -- I don't think you would have wanted to stay in the restaurant with them. These little guys were not "restaurant-ready." There were three of them - the oldest about 4. They were "screaming and fighting" - "crawling over their parents" - "threw the menus on the floor" -"were pushing their food away and refusing to eat it," "putting it on other plates or the table," - "spilling their drinks" - etc.

But - it was the (more than 20 minutes) of constant fighting and screaming that bothered the other customers most. No one in the restaurant could visit or enjoy their meal at all.

Honestly - I think "most of us" would have just left with our children if they were behaving that way. Don't you realize that this behavior reflects more on the parents than it does on the children?????

And - if these people had "refused to go" --- Many of the other customers would have left to go where they could sit down, visit, and enjoy their meal.
And - they would probably never have returned to this "nice restaurant." This isn't right....

***** This was a "brunch place" -- and there were a lot of other children in the restaurant......acting like little children..which is fine..... I agree that "children are children." These children didn't bother anyone. But this one family was the worst I've ever seen in my life! It was unbelieveable!

And - please remember - this was not one child. There were three. And, this wasn't a little temporary little fit these children were having. It had gone on for almost half an hour and was, if anything, getting worse.

I'll bet if you (and your children had been there) -- you would have been appalled at this family like everyone else was. And, you would have probably wished you and your family had gone someplace else too.

I know if these people hadn't left -- a lot of other customers would have. I don't think this would have been fair to them - and certainly not fair to this "nice restaurant."

**** I'll bet most of you feel the way I do -- within reason, our children have to behave in public - or we will just take them home. I would have been embarrassed.

Carol Jean

If I acted like that in a restaurant when I was young, my mom would have smacked the living crap out of me!!! And you know what? I would have deserved it.

[SnowWa]

Baby Fidgette - My parents were about as liberal as they come - but out in public - it was different - and I would have been in big trouble also. Regardless of my age ...if I had been two years old, I would have been marched home and would have been in "big big trouble." And, I would have deserved it also.

I think when we see parents with the attitude "that their children can do anything they want and behave any way they want wherever they want" ----- from this, we know why their children behave the way they do. It really is their parent's fault. It's called "spoiling....." Actually, it's worse than spoiling. It is parents with no respect for other people.

I am sure we all know that children do have "their moments," but these are the times when we need to take on the responsibility of being a parent. Mine generally got a good talking to and were taken home. If they had become sick and didn't feel well, I may have skipped the talking to, but they were still taken home as quickly as possible.

At a funeral once - I saw a complete stranger get up and cross the aisle and offer to take a screaming little child outside for its mother ---who was doing nothing about it. She said, "No" and let her child scream for another 10 minutes before she finally went outside....and I think this was only because so many people were turning around looking at her...

To each his own - but I have no respect for anyone who allows their children to behave in this manner when they are out in public. And at a funeral.....this has to be the most disrespectful thing in the world.

Actually - what we are talking about now - is far far worse than having a little puppy in a store....no comparison ... even though I don't do that either.


Carol Jean

[Gingergirlsmom]

lol! I am so confused, I no longer know if this thread is about the rude manager at Target, taking dogs into stores, or taking kids into restaurants!

But, I might as well add my two cents to the fracas!

The manager - In my opinion, while you probably shouldn't have been in there, HE went way overboard. You certainly should complain. However, keep in mind this guy must be in serious need of proving himself if he attempted to manhandle you and your 4 lb. dog.

The rules about dogs - I think MORE places should let them in, and I think EVERY place should post their policy...then unsuspecting customers who have the idea that their dogs are welcome (and gee, Target sells alot of pet stuff, specifically for little dogs) won't be in need of an escort out. AND, if it's clearly posted on the door and someone chooses to take them in anyway, then they are breaking the rules and should leave quietly.

Out of Control Children - Children are expected to be children. But out of control children are ruining everyone elses experience. I applaud Carol Jean (i think it was her...I'm really quite confused ) Someone said that because children are human they have a right to be in a restaurant even if they are out of control. I strongly disagree. Any person who is out of control, be it adult or child, should be asked to leave. And parents who think there child's right to a temper tantrum and their right to continue shopping is helping their child become a responsible adult, get over it. Children need to have rules, and parents need to be consistent. I'm sure Carol Jean's children RARELY if ever threw a fit in a store/restaurant, etc., because they learned early on what was expected of them. And I'm betting they've grown up to be mature RESPONSIBLE adults and loving parents (i think she mentioned grandkids).


Back to Target. I've found that most places that sell little doggie dresses encourage me to bring my girl in to try stuff on. I too, assumed Target was pet-friendly...at least in the pet section, until YORKIETALK saved the day. It was here that I read about their pet policy, not on Targets door.

Thankfully, I'd never ventured in there with her.

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

lol! I am so confused, I no longer know if this thread is about the rude manager at Target, taking dogs into stores, or taking kids into restaurants!

But, I might as well add my two cents to the fracas!

The manager - In my opinion, while you probably shouldn't have been in there, HE went way overboard. You certainly should complain. However, keep in mind this guy must be in serious need of proving himself if he attempted to manhandle you and your 4 lb. dog.

The rules about dogs - I think MORE places should let them in, and I think EVERY place should post their policy...then unsuspecting customers who have the idea that their dogs are welcome (and gee, Target sells alot of pet stuff, specifically for little dogs) won't be in need of an escort out. AND, if it's clearly posted on the door and someone chooses to take them in anyway, then they are breaking the rules and should leave quietly.

Out of Control Children - Children are expected to be children. But out of control children are ruining everyone elses experience. I applaud Carol Jean (i think it was her...I'm really quite confused ) Someone said that because children are human they have a right to be in a restaurant even if they are out of control. I strongly disagree. Any person who is out of control, be it adult or child, should be asked to leave. And parents who think there child's right to a temper tantrum and their right to continue shopping is helping their child become a responsible adult, get over it. Children need to have rules, and parents need to be consistent. I'm sure Carol Jean's children RARELY if ever threw a fit in a store/restaurant, etc., because they learned early on what was expected of them. And I'm betting they've grown up to be mature RESPONSIBLE adults and loving parents (i think she mentioned grandkids).


Back to Target. I've found that most places that sell little doggie dresses encourage me to bring my girl in to try stuff on. I too, assumed Target was pet-friendly...at least in the pet section, until YORKIETALK saved the day. It was here that I read about their pet policy, not on Targets door.

Thankfully, I'd never ventured in there with her.

Sorry Gingergirl's mom and Val, I changed the subject about children. My fault.

[vainchick5]

Originally Posted by Brandy101b

Parts of what you say make sense and parts are insane. I would never drag my kids while screaming either no way I would pop a butt and take her home. I have never been out past 8pm with her either but my 2 1/2 year old sometimes has a melt down and gets upset when out to eat or shopping and sometimes I don't have a choice to leave sometimes you have to get your shopping done now, so I don't agree with you that children are annoying or that they should'nt be allowed to be kids. I do however think parents need to educate there kids on how to act in a store or resturant and inforce rules, but young children under 3 melt down sometimes its natural. Children that age don't know how to express themselves in words, and I'd be damned if some store was gonna tell me how to react to my child acting up. And I dare someone else to look or say something to me because I would'nt put up with it! Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave just to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.

I disagree with you and I think most people here would as well. While it may be "NATURAL" for a child to have a so-called melt down, it is certainly not natural for the parent to be irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's space/time. There is no reason/circumstance for any parent to stand there and continue finishing their meal or shopping while the kid ruins the atmosphere for everyone. In my opinion, it's selfish to stay in a situation which is disruptive just so you can make a point about how natural it is for a child to have a meltdown. I have a nephew whom I love more than anything, but he was a collick baby, so he would just start up out of nowhere. He would be screaming for a mere 30 seconds before we were out of there. It's called respect and consideration. I'm not attacking you personally, but it's attitudes like that allow parents to think that it's ok to let your child do whatever they want at home and in public because children are children. The show Nanny 911 is a perfect example of what happens when your child is allowed to be "natural".

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by vainchick5

I disagree with you and I think most people here would as well. While it may be "NATURAL" for a child to have a so-called melt down, it is certainly not natural for the parent to be irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's space/time. There is no reason/circumstance for any parent to stand there and continue finishing their meal or shopping while the kid ruins the atmosphere for everyone. In my opinion, it's selfish to stay in a situation which is disruptive just so you can make a point about how natural it is for a child to have a meltdown. I have a nephew whom I love more than anything, but he was a collick baby, so he would just start up out of nowhere. He would be screaming for a mere 30 seconds before we were out of there. It's called respect and consideration. I'm not attacking you personally, but it's attitudes like that allow parents to think that it's ok to let your child do whatever they want at home and in public because children are children. The show Nanny 911 is a perfect example of what happens when your child is allowed to be "natural".

I agree Nobie!

[bosslady]

I also agree! Love my three children and 8 grandchildren and greatgrandbaby (due June 10) more than life itself. I adore them and I always wanted them to know how to behave and never be an annoyance to anyone else in a public place. I wanted them to grow up to be responsible, considerate, compassionate adults. So far it's working.

Although the love I have for my little 5 lb Yorkie is not to be compared to the love I have for my children & grandchildren, I do love her and like to take her places sometimes but I would not want her to be an annoyance to anyone. She is usually in her purse where no one even knows I have her or sometimes I will take her to an outside sporting event of my grandchildren.
In no way has she ever bothered anyone. There are places I would not take her, like an eating place.

[GeorgiesMomma]

Originally Posted by vainchick5

I disagree with you and I think most people here would as well. While it may be "NATURAL" for a child to have a so-called melt down, it is certainly not natural for the parent to be irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's space/time. There is no reason/circumstance for any parent to stand there and continue finishing their meal or shopping while the kid ruins the atmosphere for everyone. In my opinion, it's selfish to stay in a situation which is disruptive just so you can make a point about how natural it is for a child to have a meltdown. I have a nephew whom I love more than anything, but he was a collick baby, so he would just start up out of nowhere. He would be screaming for a mere 30 seconds before we were out of there. It's called respect and consideration. I'm not attacking you personally, but it's attitudes like that allow parents to think that it's ok to let your child do whatever they want at home and in public because children are children. The show Nanny 911 is a perfect example of what happens when your child is allowed to be "natural".

I totally agree with you other people go out to eat in some cases to get a break from their children the last thing they want to hear is someone else's child screaming. I have 3 neices and 3 nephews (and I hope to be a mother someday) but I would be out the door in no time if they started acting up.

[chewysmom]

WOW!!! What a thread! Val, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience in Target...the mental picture that was posted of you running through the store brought a smile to my face!!!

As for kids in public or at restaurants, etc...I have a 6 year old who is pretty rambunctious - well mannered - but rambunctious. He never really has any kind of tantrums in public but he isn't perfectly behaved all the time either, especially when I have to drag him on errands and stuff. I think a lot of times we expect so much from kids that it puts a lot of stress on them. Maybe more than you can imaging and truth be told, they cannot control themselves all the time. Why WOULD you ask a child to control themselves and behave perfectly ALL THE TIME IN EVERY SITUATION??? As an adult, DO YOU?????? I think at times adults look at children and think they have to act like mini adults and that's just not possible. As adults expect children to be courteous to them, so too should adults be courteous to children. I was once on the bus with my son and he was talking and laughing...he was kinda loud but whatever. The woman in front of us turned around, shushed him, looked at me and told me that he was making too much noise and it was disturbing her cell phone conversation I told her off for shushing my son and also told her I didn't give a crap about her cell phone conversation. I then told my son that he DID NOT have to be quiet to accomodate someone's cell phone conversation in a public place.

You have to teach them to be respectful BUT I will not allow my child to feel as though his emotions and feelings are less important than an adults.

[vainchick5]

I too would have been pissed if someone turned around and shushed my nephew or my kid (future kid anyway). It's just as bad to be on a cell phone on a bus/train. I think it's ok to let a kid be a kid at home, but in public, kids should be well behaved. They should use quieter voices to avoid annoying those who came somewhere for a quiet/peaceful evening. I love kids, adore them, but when I go to a restaurant, the last thing I want, is a loud, misbehaving kid who's parents can't control or who's parents choose not to say anything. I think parents need to take more responsibility for their children's actions in public, instead of just saying kids will be kids. That, to me is not acceptable and if my kid was difficult to quiet down or calm down in public, I simply would leave or not take them until they learn. Just my opinion. Gerry this was in no way aimed at you, you know I love ya