Humiliated at Target

[Nikko's_human]

This was printed in today's amNY, a free newspaper that is circulated daily in NYC. I thought it befitting to post on this thread:

Kids: Bad. Dogs: Good

The Hotel Cortisen in St. Wolfgang, Austria won't allow children into the hotel, but will permit dogs, according to Ananova.com. "I am sure others will follow suit and say no to kids. From today, children are no longer welcome--and I plan to advertise it as I am sure it will attract guests. ...I don't have a problem with dogs."

[Kathryn_V]

If its posted on the door, then I don't even try.... but if its not... then I go ahead and take the girls in! If someone says something I just say,"Oh... you don't have a sign on your door.... You do have one that says no food or drinks... but not one that says no dogs???"



I call ahead to most places.. like the mall, I called the concierge and they said YES as long as their feet don't touch the floor!

A security guard said something and I told him that I phoned ahead and spoke to the mall concierge... and he left me alone!

They were in the Stroller... they cant bite anyone, they can't get out, they cant pee on the ground....

I think that slowly buy surely they are becoming more and more socially acceptable... But its a gradual process! We can't force it...


But still.... Bad Manager!

[bchgirl]

The malls here have a sign specifically stating no pets allowed at all the mall entrances plus the entrances to individual stores.

[bosslady]

KathrynV: I couldn't agree more with your post. I love my dogs dearly, but you can't compare them with my children and grandchildren. However, I would much rather see a well behaved dog in a store than MANY and I mean MANY of the children I see lately. What has happened to parents making their children mind nowadays. I have spent too many days shopping and listening to children scream and throw fits and hit and kick their mothers. My children (and grandchildren) would be taken out immediately and they certainly would not talk to their parents or grandparents like many do let alone hit them.

My husband and I were eating out last night at a table next to some little heathens who ruined our whole meal. The last straw was when they handled the food on the buffet, but noone said a word. They were making huge messes and screaming and crying there was 4 of them.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by Nikko's_human

This was printed in today's amNY, a free newspaper that is circulated daily in NYC. I thought it befitting to post on this thread:

Kids: Bad. Dogs: Good

The Hotel Cortisen in St. Wolfgang, Austria won't allow children into the hotel, but will permit dogs, according to Ananova.com. "I am sure others will follow suit and say no to kids. From today, children are no longer welcome--and I plan to advertise it as I am sure it will attract guests. ...I don't have a problem with dogs."

I thought about that last week when we were on vacation. It took me weeks to find a condo that would accept my dog. I don't sneak her in places like that because she is running around and I don't want to worry about the noise she might make.

She doesn't even make a dent in our accomodations, ever. I was VERY responsible when my kids were small but it meant some work and cleanup on my part. The dog? mess=ZERO noise=ZER0 (she whimpered a couple of times, but never barked) damage=ZERO

Now, compare her to the party animals that rent some weekend getaways. whoa. As a landlord I would sure choose a small dog.

[Brandy101b]

Originally Posted by winnismom

Nope..that's why i posted to ask you..sometimes how someone types something is not always the was it is decoded. Thanks!

Parts of what you say make sense and parts are insane. I would never drag my kids while screaming either no way I would pop a butt and take her home. I have never been out past 8pm with her either but my 2 1/2 year old sometimes has a melt down and gets upset when out to eat or shopping and sometimes I don't have a choice to leave sometimes you have to get your shopping done now, so I don't agree with you that children are annoying or that they should'nt be allowed to be kids. I do however think parents need to educate there kids on how to act in a store or resturant and inforce rules, but young children under 3 melt down sometimes its natural. Children that age don't know how to express themselves in words, and I'd be damned if some store was gonna tell me how to react to my child acting up. And I dare someone else to look or say something to me because I would'nt put up with it! Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave just to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.

[Kizzys Mom]

to me anyone that can compare dogs to children, have a problem of some kind or they've never had a child and most likely never should. I personally dont think people should just break rules just to have their way especially when it comes to dogs. I can see breaking a few for a child if its something that hurts the child. tho I dont agree anyone should of put their hands on you, you kinda ask for it with a sign at the front door, asking you not to bring a dog in. Makes me wonder if people want to rent a house or an apt and had one child and one puppy if they could only have one or the other, would they give up the child or the puppy?
thats like teaching your kids, its ok to ignore rules and laws if it is one they dont want to abide by then fighting to prove they did right. Too much of that going on today already. I may get banned from this place or ignored but Im just expressing my opinion about comparing dogs to kids same as some of the others have done here. have a child and a dog, lose both, see which one hurts you most. Grow up people. Rules are made to live by and dogs shouldnt be compared to people. I dont believe in mistreating animals but I do believe in following rules on others property, be it personal or business. But I believe in being curteous. Breaking the stores policy isnt any more curteous than breaking store policy on touching one either. Tho to me both of it was uncalled for.

[SnowWa]

QUOTE: Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.
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If your children behaved the way the ones I'm talking about did ---( I doubt they would) -- I don't think you would have wanted to stay in the restaurant with them. These little guys were not "restaurant-ready." There were three of them - the oldest about 4. They were "screaming and fighting" - "crawling over their parents" - "threw the menus on the floor" -"were pushing their food away and refusing to eat it," "putting it on other plates or the table," - "spilling their drinks" - etc.

But - it was the (more than 20 minutes) of constant fighting and screaming that bothered the other customers most. No one in the restaurant could visit or enjoy their meal at all.

Honestly - I think "most of us" would have just left with our children if they were behaving that way. Don't you realize that this behavior reflects more on the parents than it does on the children?????

And - if these people had "refused to go" --- Many of the other customers would have left to go where they could sit down, visit, and enjoy their meal.
And - they would probably never have returned to this "nice restaurant." This isn't right....

***** This was a "brunch place" -- and there were a lot of other children in the restaurant......acting like little children..which is fine..... I agree that "children are children." These children didn't bother anyone. But this one family was the worst I've ever seen in my life! It was unbelieveable!

And - please remember - this was not one child. There were three. And, this wasn't a little temporary little fit these children were having. It had gone on for almost half an hour and was, if anything, getting worse.

I'll bet if you (and your children had been there) -- you would have been appalled at this family like everyone else was. And, you would have probably wished you and your family had gone someplace else too.

I know if these people hadn't left -- a lot of other customers would have. I don't think this would have been fair to them - and certainly not fair to this "nice restaurant."

**** I'll bet most of you feel the way I do -- within reason, our children have to behave in public - or we will just take them home. I would have been embarrassed.

Carol Jean

[JeanieK]

I would make a complaint based simply on his rudeness. Tell them that you were on you way out after he asked you to leave, but that he was treating you like a shop lifter.

[Passionfruition]

Originally Posted by SnowWa

But, since we have had a million threads on this very same thing - it is evident that there are people who follow the rules - and people who don't....
And - trying to justify "not following the rules" (for whatever reason) doesn't make any sense to me.

Back to the main subject - ---I do think the gentleman who escorted our "thread-starter" out of the store could have done it in a nicer way. I really doubt the store would appreciate his way of managing that situation.

Carol Jean

Yes, he could have been nicer. That was my main and only point by starting this thread. I don't appreciate you saying that there are a "million threads on this very same thing" .........b/c I don't know about what all the rest of YT members think but um, this is the first thread I've read about a store manager trying to grab a patron by the wrist & escort her out by force.

I don't mind at all this thread becoming a large discussion/debate as long as my point was clearly communicated - I wasn't complaining about being asked to leave. I didn't know it was a rule and if I'd known, or even thought to consider it, I would have had second thoughts about taking Sully in there that day. It was a rather quick errand anyway that could have been done another day. No big deal. Being asked to leave was no big deal, either. It was his force and his whole mannerism that I found insulting. Even if his tone had been harsh, I never would have complained.....but his use of physical force and disrespect for my personal space was uncalled for. I know I've said that a bunch of times but I keep getting the feeling that somehow, I haven't communicated it clearly enough.

[SnowWa]

PassionFruition - I meant there are a lot of "long threads" on people taking their Yorkies into public places, etc.....and needless to say - a lot of different opinons about doing this.

I didn't mean there were a lot of threads about the way the manager behaved.

I would do one of two things - 1) I see nothing wrong with bringing the manager's way of handling this situation to the attention of the store. He should not have behaved the way he did, or 2) I would just drop it.

I prefer #1 -- and would just do this with a "nice letter." After all, you are a customer, and the store should care very much about the way the manager behaves with customers.

Good luck! Carol Jean

Carol Jean

[Passionfruition]

Originally Posted by SnowWa

PassionFruition - I meant there are a lot of "long threads" on people taking their Yorkies into public places, etc.....and needless to say - a lot of different opinons about doing this.

I didn't mean there were a lot of threads about the way the manager behaved.

I would do one of two things - 1) I see nothing wrong with bringing the manager's way of handling this situation to the attention of the store. He should not have behaved the way he did, or 2) I would just drop it.

I prefer #1 -- and would just do this with a "nice letter." After all, you are a customer, and the store should care very much about the way the manager behaves with customers.

Good luck! Carol Jean

Carol Jean

Gotcha. Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to do. Write a letter stating what happened, pure and simple, not being rude but just staing the facts, the manager's name, date, etc. And then I'm goign to drop it. I am nor ever was interested in pressing charges, etc. I have just haven't been that insulted but a few times in my life by a complete stranger. It happened over a week ago and I didn't post about it immediately b/c I tried to shrug it off but man that rude guy just got under my skin, ya know? Ugh. Anyway, thanks for your kind response.

[Tiger_460]

i'm sorry that happend to you. you should defenetly file a complaint!!! i mean that shouldnt happen to anybody!!! that guy had no right to even think about touching you i mean how old does he think you are 2!!! one time i was in target and this like 17-18 yr old had a little baby yorkie with her and she walked right past the assistant manager and he didnt do anything!!

[Hickey007]

Ok I'm not trying to belittle your situation, actually I completely agree he shouldn't have acted like that. However, I must admit I started laughing half way through your story when you were talking about him continuing to move closer like you were going to run away or escape. I pictured a crazy lady running loose in Target with a dog in a carrier on her arm, trying to get back to the dressing rooms to continue trying on swimming suits. All the while some little pesky manager chasing after. You must admit this picture is pretty funny.

Now seriously, I'm not one to defend someone taking their dog in a store or what not. Like it was said some people are allergic and really whether the dog be big, small, clean, dirty its just a sanitary issue, or at least this is how I feel. And really its a little crazy saying that kids don't belong in stores/restaurants. I mean I know if a child is acting up then yes do something about it and if that means leave whatever but if they aren't allowed in stores in the first place then in about 20 years we are going to have a bunch of adults that don't know how to behave themselves in public because they were never allowed to be in public.

Val, I'm not saying you were defending yourself about having Sully inside, I got your point and I compelety agree, he had no right to try to use force in order to get you to leave, you were already leaving. I hope whatever you do you are happy with the results in the end.

[winnismom]

Originally Posted by Brandy101b

Parts of what you say make sense and parts are insane. I would never drag my kids while screaming either no way I would pop a butt and take her home. I have never been out past 8pm with her either but my 2 1/2 year old sometimes has a melt down and gets upset when out to eat or shopping and sometimes I don't have a choice to leave sometimes you have to get your shopping done now, so I don't agree with you that children are annoying or that they should'nt be allowed to be kids. I do however think parents need to educate there kids on how to act in a store or resturant and inforce rules, but young children under 3 melt down sometimes its natural. Children that age don't know how to express themselves in words, and I'd be damned if some store was gonna tell me how to react to my child acting up. And I dare someone else to look or say something to me because I would'nt put up with it! Children are children and they only get to be babies for so long YES rules are VERY important but I am not leaving a resturant for anybody just because my child gets upset, that said my child rarely shows her self when we are out, but it happens from time time but NEVER would I leave just to accomadate others. Shes a child a human and they deserve to be there just like anyone else.

Ummm ok what am I missing here?? Brandy I have no idea why you quoted me and proceed to type what i'm saying is insane. I think maybe you are the one who is a little confused. My quote was in response to Kathryn V about her being serious or joking in her post. Not sure what you're thinking!