Cody in ER vet

[matese]

Originally Posted by Jkpal

Again, Cody and Piper and big appetites! I would definitely stop the meds; maybe just give the little Codiak Bear and nature a chance to work at this time. He has to eat to heal and in needs to process what he eats in order for it to help.

I am so very sorry you're going through this, nothing worse. But he's a tough little guy and his eating is a really good sign and sometimes they know better than we what works for them.

My comments are based strictly on my feelings and nothin' more than that!

Thank you Dana, sometimes we just have to do what we have to do when you cannot reach your vet. I know she is not at the clinic, I will not call because I don't want anyone but my vet to see him. I'm pretty sure she will be in on Friday, I'll call then. Until then, he's off those herbs and I see a big improvement this morning, just waiting now for that first poop lol, did I ever think I would be so anxious and excited for my dog to poop lol.

Originally Posted by nanajoy

So sorry to hear that sweet Cody is still not fully on the mend! Tyrone's repeated colitis attacks when he was younger were severe, and there were times when we were unable to give him even his meds to treat the nausea. For whatever reason, his stomach is not nearly as sensitive now, but we are VERY careful not to introduce new foods/treats...even on an "only this once" basis. It simply is not worth the potential days of problems which may follow. There were times that he would not eat for prolonged periods when he was not feeling well, chicken and rice included, and it was scary!

Hopefully you will get a chance to get your regular vet's advice on how to progress today. You trust her, and she knows little Cody. Hang in there, and let us know how you both are doing after she gets back to you. You are in my thoughts! (((hugs)

Thank you Joy.

All my passed dogs got table food,not from me, from who ever came for dinner or who's house me and my girls went to, ppl were always feeding them even when I demanded them to stop. I did give them 1/4 slice of bacon maybe twice a month but many months apart when I treated myself to making me a week end breakfast, who knew then bacon was bad for them. How did my dogs live long lives with the lil bits of bad things I gave them like 1/2 a seedless skin off grape every once in a while. Boy what I have learned since joining YT.

So, Mr. Cody gets nothing from the table but a piece of boiled potato, or a bit of plain pasta, I buy fruits and veggies just for him. I am very strict with what foods he eats. My vet will have to use something else to treat his injury because I am not going back to the two herbs that caused this horrific diarrhea, the Metronidazole that is to stop diarrhea did not work this time around, so that's out as well. This Pandemic and not being able to see / speak to my vet is becoming overwhelming, I don't know exactly what treatment was given to Cody, I get the bill, see what I was billed for, I call to ask what this and that was for, I am told when a tech is free they will call and explain but they don't call. I have a hair line trigger temper when it comes to my dog. I cannot get answers and its beyond frustrating.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by matese

My vet is big on these Chinese Herbs, she's been using them for years, I have confidence in her choices. She would never put an animals life at risk. Ya know, when the tech brings your dog back to your car, there is much excitement, dog is going nuts. The tech adamant about keeping him on the two herbs, I can't remember her exact words because Cody was crazy wild climbing on my chest, shoulders, in my face. I was trying to control him while the tech was telling me why the herbs were so important to continue.
I fed Cody chic/rice last night, again he licked his bowl clean, throughout the day the nibbled at his kibble, by end of night he ate about 1/4 cup of it.
This morning I gave him his kibble, he ate it with no hesitation, good sign that his stomach is feeling better, at 9 I'll give him some chicken and rice. I am now waiting for him to make his first poop so I can see if the diarrhea is improving.

I am now concerned with holding back on those herbs did I take 10 steps back on his neck and back recovery. Eliminating that diarrhea was my primary concern.
Thanks for that link.

The thing about herbs and even supplements is there is very little to back them up as far as studies go so the full side effects and if they really work is unknown. They also aren’t going to work for every dog or even the same for every dog. I’m very skeptical with Chinese herbs and would never even take them myself. Some of them can be pretty dangerous for not just dogs but humans. I understand you trust your vet but sometimes we have to do a little research ourselves. Check out some of these articles by skeptvet https://skeptvet.com/Blog/?s=Chinese+herbs Hope he has a solid poo!

[Bluebells]

I’m sorry to hear poor Cody is having such a rough time. You’re absolutely right, though. You have to stop the diarrhea. That simply can’t continue; it’s too dangerous.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The thing about herbs and even supplements is there is very little to back them up as far as studies go so the full side effects and if they really work is unknown. They also aren’t going to work for every dog or even the same for every dog. I’m very skeptical with Chinese herbs and would never even take them myself. Some of them can be pretty dangerous for not just dogs but humans. I understand you trust your vet but sometimes we have to do a little research ourselves. Check out some of these articles by skeptvet https://skeptvet.com/Blog/?s=Chinese+herbs Hope he has a solid poo!

I have done much reading on these Chinese herbs especially the Double P II which Cody was prescribed. It is to be used for short term at a low dose, it becomes dangerous when it's used longer at a higher dosage. IMO 11 / 12 days is long enough for me.

In any case, I will not be using the two Chinese herbs he was on, the diarrhea was horrific and scary for me and, affected my pups stomach. I do agree, certain meds don't work for every dog.
He finally just now pooped since 12:30AM , no change, still loose diarrhea,it just drips out of him.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Bluebells

I’m sorry to hear poor Cody is having such a rough time. You’re absolutely right, though. You have to stop the diarrhea. That simply can’t continue; it’s too dangerous.

Thank you for your concern.

[Jkpal]

He's had such a time of it that it may take longer than you want for you to see that firmer stool---but I'm just certain it's on the way (whhaaatt?!!!). Love you guys and wishing wonderful health for you both!!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by matese

I have done much reading on these Chinese herbs especially the Double P II which Cody was prescribed. It is to be used for short term at a low dose, it becomes dangerous when it's used longer at a higher dosage. IMO 11 / 12 days is long enough for me.

In any case, I will not be using the two Chinese herbs he was on, the diarrhea was horrific and scary for me and, affected my pups stomach. I do agree, certain meds don't work for every dog.
He finally just now pooped since 12:30AM , no change, still loose diarrhea,it just drips out of him.

I know that you are not thrilled with the other vets but you might not have any other choice. You are risking dehydration if it goes on for to long and just getting him to drink more water isn’t going to replace the electrolytes. You can try clear pedialyte but not all of them will drink that. Callie once had diarrhea for only a few days and was massively dehydrated. I have heard the rice sometimes is not always the best that white potato and even oatmeal might be better.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Jkpal

He's had such a time of it that it may take longer than you want for you to see that firmer stool---but I'm just certain it's on the way (whhaaatt?!!!). Love you guys and wishing wonderful health for you both!!

Thank you, he's a spunky lil character for sure. You're right, he's had those herbs in his system for at least 11 /12 days, I was just hoping to see a little bit of improvement. But one day on chic / rice won't do it.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I know that you are not thrilled with the other vets but you might not have any other choice. You are risking dehydration if it goes on for to long and just getting him to drink more water isn’t going to replace the electrolytes. You can try clear pedialyte but not all of them will drink that. Callie once had diarrhea for only a few days and was massively dehydrated. I have heard the rice sometimes is not always the best that white potato and even oatmeal might be better.

Rice had always worked for my girls, this is the first time I'm giving him this, I'll see how it goes for now. But at least he's eating. If it's still the same by Friday I have no choice but to bring him in regardless of what vet I get. My vet may be coming in at 5PM Friday idk, another ER visit, I PRAY I don't have to fight to get him in.

[Lovetodream88]

How is Cody doing?

[matese]

As of last night his poop is still very soft like diarrhea, he hasn't pooped this morning yet so can't see if it's improved.
I called the office at 7 this morning, spoke to a kinda tech. She calls ppl that have their animals in the hospital to give daily reports on their pets.

I told here everything and I stopped all meds. told her I emailed the vet on Monday and never heard back, asked since the pandemic has she stopped answering emails, she said no, she said vet has been very busy (which I know) she said send the email again but up-date it, she calls the vet at 11AM everyday to report to her about the animals that are in the hospital, at that time she will ask her if she read my email. What ever the vet decides someone will call me in the afternoon.

Cody is his lil ole perky self, still on the chic / rice, he wants to play fetch soooo bad it hurts me to have to ignore him because I don't know if he can go back to being active, bad enough he's jumping on and off the sofa and bed.
I'll up-date after I see what my vet wants me to do. I do have an appt. for nx Fri. the 18th when she will do a 3rd chiropractic back alignment if he needs it.
Thank you for your concern.

[nanajoy]

Hang in there Joan

[matese]

A tech from the vets office JUST called me. Said the vet JUST read my email, I wanted to ask in a snarky tone "which one" but bit my tongue.

So, now the vet wants me to give Cody Cervical one every other day and Double P ll every other day and no Metronidazole.
I am not going to start him on them until his poop is more solid with no sign of stickiness, I want to get him back on his kibble get his poop to the way it should be. Then start this new procedure, this way if these herbs give him diarrhea type poop I will know it. His stomach is just beginning to heal, I am not going to mess it up.
I cannot believe it took my vet 5 days to read my email. She is such a caring vet when it comes to animals.

[Bluebells]

Originally Posted by matese

A tech from the vets office JUST called me. Said the vet JUST read my email, I wanted to ask in a snarky tone "which one" but bit my tongue.

So, now the vet wants me to give Cody Cervical one every other day and Double P ll every other day and no Metronidazole.
I am not going to start him on them until his poop is more solid with no sign of stickiness, I want to get him back on his kibble get his poop to the way it should be. Then start this new procedure, this way if these herbs give him diarrhea type poop I will know it. His stomach is just beginning to heal, I am not going to mess it up.
I cannot believe it took my vet 5 days to read my email. She is such a caring vet when it comes to animals.

I know that you generally trust your vet, but what little I’ve read about that Chinese herb makes me kind of uneasy. Not that I have anything against Chinese products in general, but herbal products don’t have the quality control and safety protocols we expect in pharmaceuticals ... and quality control and safety protocols important when you’re dealing with products that have toxic ingredients. And from what little I’ve read, Double P II has very toxic ingredients.

https://www.veterinarypracticenews.c...chinese-herbs/

If I were in your place, I think I would tell the vet that it didn’t agree with my dog and ask for something less toxic.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by matese

A tech from the vets office JUST called me. Said the vet JUST read my email, I wanted to ask in a snarky tone "which one" but bit my tongue.

So, now the vet wants me to give Cody Cervical one every other day and Double P ll every other day and no Metronidazole.
I am not going to start him on them until his poop is more solid with no sign of stickiness, I want to get him back on his kibble get his poop to the way it should be. Then start this new procedure, this way if these herbs give him diarrhea type poop I will know it. His stomach is just beginning to heal, I am not going to mess it up.
I cannot believe it took my vet 5 days to read my email. She is such a caring vet when it comes to animals.

I realize you trust your vet but I wouldn’t give him those herbs anymore. They obviously are what messed up his stomach significantly and it’s just going to do it again. I am really concerned that she would want you to continue those! I personally would not give them again and tell her no and have it written in his chart that he can not tolerate those.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Bluebells

I know that you generally trust your vet, but what little I’ve read about that Chinese herb makes me kind of uneasy. Not that I have anything against Chinese products in general, but herbal products don’t have the quality control and safety protocols we expect in pharmaceuticals ... and quality control and safety protocols important when you’re dealing with products that have toxic ingredients. And from what little I’ve read, Double P II has very toxic ingredients.

https://www.veterinarypracticenews.c...chinese-herbs/

If I were in your place, I think I would tell the vet that it didn’t agree with my dog and ask for something less toxic.

I feel the same way as you especially after the stuff I read. I just really don’t think it’s safe.