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[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Most dogs actually try to do that so it is a normal behavior.

Thats gross and dangerous though... Dogs puke for a reason. Its like picking up a scorpion barehanded and getting stung- only to try again soon after....


Also, I think my dog is actually a russian toy terrier. It has an uncanny resemblance to the brown nosed one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMWXHt3x8f4

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Thats gross and dangerous though... Dogs puke for a reason. Its like picking up a scorpion barehanded and getting stung- only to try again soon after....


Also, I think my dog is actually a russian toy terrier. It has an uncanny resemblance to the brown nosed one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMWXHt3x8f4

I know its gross but its just what they do they really don't know any better. Mine haven't done it but I try not to give them the opportunity by telling them no or leave it. The dogs I had growing up did it.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I know its gross but its just what they do they really don't know any better. Mine haven't done it but I try not to give them the opportunity by telling them no or leave it. The dogs I had growing up did it.

Eh she doesnt listen sometimes. She knows the command no as for leave it I havent made much progress on that but she still goes for it anyways.

I am thinking of getting another trainer or something that might help... we would all benefit from her being 100% trained.

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Also unfortunately maggies nails are super long now... Ive been trying to find this special nail clipper(its not a clipper it just sands away the nails)

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Eh she doesnt listen sometimes. She knows the command no as for leave it I havent made much progress on that but she still goes for it anyways.

I am thinking of getting another trainer or something that might help... we would all benefit from her being 100% trained.

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Also unfortunately maggies nails are super long now... Ive been trying to find this special nail clipper(its not a clipper it just sands away the nails)

They have those nail grinders at Petco and Petsmart. I would read the reviews online for them first. I did that and got one I really like but it takes training to get them used to it.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Eh she doesnt listen sometimes. She knows the command no as for leave it I havent made much progress on that but she still goes for it anyways.

I am thinking of getting another trainer or something that might help... we would all benefit from her being 100% trained.

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Also unfortunately maggies nails are super long now... Ive been trying to find this special nail clipper(its not a clipper it just sands away the nails)

To be totally honest, it sounds like you have really unrealistic expectations of these little kiddos....bc you want them 100% trained. Is there such a thing...?

Just a thought, but have you thought about a cat instead? Bc you don't really have to "train" them at all.

As far as nails, nail dremels or any dremel are everywhere - Amazon, Home Depot, Lowes, PetCo, PetsMart etc....

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

To be totally honest, it sounds like you have really unrealistic expectations of these little kiddos....bc you want them 100% trained. Is there such a thing...?

Just a thought, but have you thought about a cat instead? Bc you don't really have to "train" them at all.

As far as nails, nail dremels or any dremel are everywhere - Amazon, Home Depot, Lowes, PetCo, PetsMart etc....

I think there is such a thing as 100% trained but I think it takes their personality away and makes them seem like a little machine. Luckily though Callie and Joey are 100% potty trained

[canana]

I can understand that you wanna vent here because of your frustrations! We've all been through that wanna-tear-your-hair-out frustration. Just make sure not to take it out on your kiddos

About the accidents...it seems that it might be due to the amount of space they have access to? With two, you really need two pairs of eyes to watch them. Because as soon as you're cleaning up after one, the second could be off doing something else! If you can somehow block them off in an area where there's nothing for them to chew except for their toys, you might have less stress?

About the puking...I always feel sorry for my babies when they throw up. I always pick them up to cuddle and tell them "aw, it's okay...don't worry, you're going to be okay". I pick them up because, I don't want them to eat it. I comfort them because the involuntary action of puking is very uncomfortable whether for humans or for dogs.

I'd focus on training the leave it command. I've been finding it so useful. Everyday after we come home from our multiple potty walks, I make my two sit before I take off their leash. After the leash is off, I tell them to sit and remain sitting. Then they get a treat.

Now that they know this is the routine, they know to sit patiently for a treat (instead of darting off past me with their dirty paws). Instead of just feeding the treat to them, I put the treat on the floor with the "leave it" command. I've been doing this for a few weeks now. The treat I've been using for this is Merrick's Lamb lung fillets (broken up into finger nail sized pieces).

To my surprise, "leave it" has been sort of working on our walks too! When I use the "leave it" command when they wanna sniff something, pick up something, or start barking at another dog, they stop sooner than they would have before. I think it's well worth it to continue to train this (for my babies anyway).

Anyway. It seems most of your frustration is because you've got two to train. That's why many recommend getting a second after your first is somewhat well trained. It's just a lot easier on yourself. Hang in there. It's not impossible, just takes a little extra time and patience.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

They have those nail grinders at Petco and Petsmart. I would read the reviews online for them first. I did that and got one I really like but it takes training to get them used to it.

I see. We have one but I cant find it. She lets me check her and clean her so i think she might letme do the nails.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

To be totally honest, it sounds like you have really unrealistic expectations of these little kiddos....bc you want them 100% trained. Is there such a thing...?

Just a thought, but have you thought about a cat instead? Bc you don't really have to "train" them at all.

As far as nails, nail dremels or any dremel are everywhere - Amazon, Home Depot, Lowes, PetCo, PetsMart etc....

Sorry I probably should had elaborated more on that. By 100% trained I mean that on a typical average day (the dog's health is fine, I am taking them out on time, etc) that I won't find a random turd on the floor or a puddle of piddle on the floor... -If- they're either sick or there's some valid reason for them to do it on the floor (like I didn't take them out on time, or I was late- which rarely ever happened with the time we've had sasha) then yeah I would expect piddle and a pile of dung on the floor...


Also for training Sasha climbs on the couches everytime she hears a car going by (there's also a little ledge on the windows-- I dont know what the word is for it, but it's the kind of windows that have enough room for a dog to climb and walk on) and when she does that-- the couch becomes dirty. Sasha is long haired and even weekly washes aren't enough to keep all of the dirt off of her. The sofas are brand new. I am thinking of getting covers for them in the time being.

But everytime I find her on the sofa I sigh in despair because furniture isn't cheap and let's face it. Not everyone can afford to replace furniture on a monthly basis...

She knows the command "off" and she didnt used to climb on the sofa in the old house but because the sofas are by the windows she does here. (there's nowhere else to put them as itll look cluttered anywhere else)... But just because she knows off doesn't mean she'll do it without me saying it or even just not get on there at all. I don't ever sit on the sofas with the dogs either. Or my bed, or anything other than one specific chair. Which I call my dog handling chair. lol


Also, I wish I could get her to ignore other dogs and people completely (like instead of running up to them and yapping at them -- even bigger dogs)... You'd think after that incident with the crazed pittbull in the last house ... you'd think she'd learn by now... dogs might not be the smartest creatures out there-- but they're certainly not the dumbest either.. they might not know about things like roads, but they should by now know not to pick a fight with another dog--- particularly if that dog is twice the size of her...

She will never bite another person or a dog because we -somewhat- tested it (not 100% tested it) but on leash we let them get near each other gradually and see what would happen. (we did this only when we introduced her to maggie). She just barked, and anytime maggie oversteps her boundry she just chases maggie and barks at her but she never bites. She's a prime definition of all bark no bite(I think same with maggie though).



This one I know is a tad unrealistic in my case-- but if I could get her to focus anytime I go on walks and not be distracted by other people, dogs, etc then I wouldn't mind walking her around the neighborhood. I can't even walk her outside because she'll just bark and bark and bark at everything... I don't want to be a nuisance neighbor... My backdoor neighbor are an old retired couple who always stay outside in the yard during the day time(every single day) and even if we completely fixed the fence I wouldnt be able to let sasha roam free because anytime she sees or hears their dog she barks(even with leash she runs like a mad dog to the fence and barks).

Would also help with having her poop on command.



If I could train her to stop the whining any time anyone is eating or preparing food(she's begging for food-- it was cute at first but now its not)... none of us even indulged her on that. She only ever started doing it when my little cousin started to come over and feed her scraps.... or tease her while eating...



If I could train her(Sasha) to walk on leash properly... She pulls at the leash and you can see her gasping for air sometimes because she just keeps pulling it's unnerving. We tried a harness but she tries to chew it off or just takes it off somehow... She might be a little 22 (or something) pound dog but she does have strength for a little dog....



For maggie I just want her to not bolt out the door anytime someone opens it (it hasnt happened because we havent let her-- but you can see her waiting by the door-- she tried once and we caught her)....

To stop eating crap off the floor, and to actually drop it when we tell her to drop it or leave it. Anytime she gets close to something she's going to try to eat(when taking her out on a walk) I have to pull her away from it...

The barking she's so-so on it. She barks depending on who it actually is and dogs. She barks and growls at my brother like crazy (since day 1-- even when he just met her) he never actually spends time with her either so its not like he did anything to her. Although she only does it if I am present, she'll stand infront of me and bark at him enraged. I wonder if she picks up that I am not 100% fond of him sometimes. (siblings quarrel even into adulthood).

I take her out at minimum 3 times a day (if im going to be away for the day I take her out in the morning , then before I leave and after I come back) but on an average day 4-6 times a day and she doesn't always want to go (either piddle or poop).

Didnt poop or pee last night, so I had to wake up at 4 am (an ungodly hour for me) just to take her out... had to sleep longer in because of that.

She doesn't always eat her food right away either. She likes to stash treats too. Like if I give her a treat the little scamp will take it and stash it somewhere and sometimes she forgets her stash and itll smell a few days later. Now I make sure she eats it on the spot or I throw it out.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by canana

I can understand that you wanna vent here because of your frustrations! We've all been through that wanna-tear-your-hair-out frustration. Just make sure not to take it out on your kiddos

About the accidents...it seems that it might be due to the amount of space they have access to? With two, you really need two pairs of eyes to watch them. Because as soon as you're cleaning up after one, the second could be off doing something else! If you can somehow block them off in an area where there's nothing for them to chew except for their toys, you might have less stress?

About the puking...I always feel sorry for my babies when they throw up. I always pick them up to cuddle and tell them "aw, it's okay...don't worry, you're going to be okay". I pick them up because, I don't want them to eat it. I comfort them because the involuntary action of puking is very uncomfortable whether for humans or for dogs.

I'd focus on training the leave it command. I've been finding it so useful. Everyday after we come home from our multiple potty walks, I make my two sit before I take off their leash. After the leash is off, I tell them to sit and remain sitting. Then they get a treat.

Now that they know this is the routine, they know to sit patiently for a treat (instead of darting off past me with their dirty paws). Instead of just feeding the treat to them, I put the treat on the floor with the "leave it" command. I've been doing this for a few weeks now. The treat I've been using for this is Merrick's Lamb lung fillets (broken up into finger nail sized pieces).

To my surprise, "leave it" has been sort of working on our walks too! When I use the "leave it" command when they wanna sniff something, pick up something, or start barking at another dog, they stop sooner than they would have before. I think it's well worth it to continue to train this (for my babies anyway).

Anyway. It seems most of your frustration is because you've got two to train. That's why many recommend getting a second after your first is somewhat well trained. It's just a lot easier on yourself. Hang in there. It's not impossible, just takes a little extra time and patience.

It's why I have been trying to choose my words appropriately.. I am let me tell you-- extremely horrible at explaining what I am thinking or feeling sometimes.... Like an example is sometimes ill say potato but think of tomato (not exactly like that but I mean like I could better carefully explain the situation and not make it seem different than what it really is)..


I say I yell at her, but I never actually yell at her. I just make the SHHH sound-- where we live I couldn't be loud regardless. Sound carries far, and it's a very quiet peaceful neighborhood. Even with my sibling spats we have to be careful.

I never actually yell or hit her. The only time you could say I smacked her was in the beginning when she tried to swallow a big piece of plastic twice the size of her eyeball... and I did it gently to get her to drop it. I was in panic mode, to be fair at the time I didnt think she had this problem because in the place we adopted her she never touched her toys, never touched anything on the ground, she was cautious, etc. That was my bad there. That and I didnt notice the piece of plastic on the ground before. Now I carefully examine the floors, but theres stuff she still tries to pick up like lint, or whatever came in with us from walking outside. (tiny tiny pieces of paper, dust, grass etc).


I would never ever abuse an animal. Under any circumstances. I know what it's like to be scared/frightened, in pain, etc. Where I lived as a child it wasnt a very calm and peaceful place.


As for the two to train. To be honest, sasha wasn't this bad in the old house. She never picked up stuff, sure she begged, and yapped non-stop, but she never had accidents inside the house, she never went on the sofas, etc.

It is a different sofa so maybe thats why.


To be honest, the stress is probably temporarily. Her owner isn't currently here so I am technically the one caring for both of them.. at least till next thursday.


As for the space. I never gave maggie that much space to roam, sasha never had that much space either when she wasnt supervised. Only got that space when I was right there actually watching them. But like you said, need two pair of eyes, and two pair of hands to do it properly...


The leave it command. Me trying to tell them to leave it, results in them doing it anyways, and the maggie will just pick it up and bolt. Which is when I give her a time out for doing it. (I time her out for 15minutes to 30minutes depending on how bad it was that she did-- I do mean things that she could had prevented). When she does leave it, I praise her excitedly and pet her , pick her up and cuddle her for a bit. Enough to get her to understand she did good.

It rarely works. I am trying to find methods to teach her the leave it command. Some way that it'll just click and a lightbulb goes on her head. (like if I actually listen to him, he'll give me rewards and cuddles).


She doesn't like it when I ignore her, or I go pet the other dog. (she's the jealous type I guess lol).



Honestly my frustrations is that what she does could seriously harm her. I am not 100% sure if people understand that for a big dog eating a piece of lint, or a small piece of plastic would probably (PROBABLY) just pass right through them without any issues-- because they have larger intestines, and stomach... but for a smaller dog, smaller frame, smaller intestines, smaller stomach... itll likely require surgery... Which if it happened on a monthly basis I could not afford. I cant afford to pay for a 5,000 dollar surgery every single month. Because she doesn't quite learn from a negative experience... Makes me think back to when I was a child and I would watch spongebob and the character patrick would place his hand on a hot frying pan-- feel the pain and then 2 seconds later place his hand there again....
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As for the cat comment to the previous post (it was someone else-- forgot to add it there so ill just add it here).

Reason I dont want a cat is because they're not as loving and you cant really play with them the same way you could with a dog and for them.. they'll be with you when they want to be with you, not when you want to be with them. lol

Plus homes with cats tend to smell and feel kind of groddy... (no offense to cat lovers- I like cats look wise) the people I've met with cats.. their homes have this weird gross distinct smell to it...

Couches full of hair.. cats shed more than dogs do... I mean I always wanted an orange maine coon because they're pretty but my instinct says its a horrible idea. My friend has a regular colored coon and shes always full of cat hairs, her clothes(even after being washed) smell like cats... her house smells like cats and a litter box should really be cleaned out daily if possible... after 3 days of leaving it there her house smells like... cat feces and cat piddle....

The litter box idea would be fantastic if the actual litter did it's job properly... She's tried many types of litter and they all smell equally as bad 3 days after. Even after cleaning it the house still smells horrible.





If the cat wouldnt leave me clothes full of hair, or make my house smell weird/gross and all those other things I wouldnt mind having a cat(though I'd still keep my dog lol -- I wouldnt trade her for anything). and if they were nicer...

I mean just look at this little scamp. (ill submit a photo i found on google). He looks like my other friend's maine coon(same color too).