What is Best food for a yorkie?

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Sounded like the majority of most vitamins are coming out of china now, it's going to be in nearly every processed food product, pet or human. You might look into that Mike, it's been a while since I have. Correct me if I'm wrong! Please! I'd rather be corrected than to believe something that just isn't true.

My boys eat Fromm kibble supplemented with fresh foods. My understanding is the same as yours -- all chelated vitamins come from China.

Fromm's website says that none of their ingredients come from China. Are they not including the vitamins? You can email them and ask for us.
Fromm does not contain any ingredients from China - Fromm Family Foods

Maybe it was Fromm or another company that said they found a different source in Europe (who might just be a front for Chinese made products).

I try not to sweat it too much. We have to eat something.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Maximo

My boys eat Fromm kibble supplemented with fresh foods. My understanding is the same as yours -- all chelated vitamins come from China.

Fromm's website says that none of their ingredients come from China. Are they not including the vitamins? You can email them and ask for us.
Fromm does not contain any ingredients from China - Fromm Family Foods

Maybe it was Fromm or another company that said they found a different source in Europe (who might just be a front for Chinese made products).

I try not to sweat it too much. We have to eat something.

I'll check the link you provided. Yes, business practices of all should be questioned but in the end, you're right! We have to eat something! Care for a cracker with this wonderful duck pate' on it? LOL

I recall reading something about other sources of vitamins, cost was the issue for the majority of brands, nearly all brands.

Old article, old numbers, I was looking for one that was a little more inclusive, more than just vitamin C... but it gives one a look at the scope of the issue... aspirin, penicillin, vitamins... a bigger picture. China has cornered the global market for vitamins | World | McClatchy DC

[Maximo]

Nutritious and safe food is important, but so is minimizing stress. Too much stress is bad for health.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Purina Beyond, kibble and canned, isn't priced all that cheap, last time I looked, it was on par with Fromm pricing at chewy. But, since that is the case, a simple glance at the two ingredient and analysis lists showed me that Fromm is the better buy. My point being, if a person is going to buy Purina Beyond all of the time, look around at better foods that are similarly priced, you'll end up getting better food for your money. In that regard, I agree with you. Gawd, I hope there isn't a yorkie still eating that Purina sub line that has the complaints on it... that is the cheap stuff, it is making dogs sick and a small dog really should not be eating it. Last I looked, it was Purina's CHEAP line of food that has real issues currently. May as well feed Ole Roy!

We've used Purina Beyond in a pinch, till we had the time to get another brand elsewhere. "My Three Sons" seemed to thoroughly enjoy it..... and their systems transitioned easily to it.... Merricks, gave them Montezuma's Revenge! Our healthiest middle boy was popping out something that looked gelatinous like an after birth while on Merricks. I wouldn't hesitate using Purina Beyond in the future since our boys did well on it for the short term before, again, that's in a pinch if we unexpectedly run out of, or, forget to pack dog food for a trip.

Sounded like the majority of most vitamins are coming out of china now, it's going to be in nearly every processed food product, pet or human. You might look into that Mike, it's been a while since I have. Correct me if I'm wrong! Please! I'd rather be corrected than to believe something that just isn't true.

I take the Purina company as a whole. They may make a few decent foods but there so many bad products they put out there. Yes Vit. come from China and South Asia. Reason why I try to do homemade. But you won't get away from everything from China. its a Global Economy. But when they sell jerky made from China...and can't find anything wrong with it and contunue to sell it...Doens't make sence to me when dogs are dying. Anyways I like Fromms also. I like there values o how they portray them at least. Homemade I control what goes in there food.. But Mudbay in Sumner and Federal Way WA are selling Fromms now. Buy 12 get one free . FWIW.

[ironmike86]

JMO no offense to anyone who likes there food brand. Just like anything else just my internet opinion.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

JMO no offense to anyone who likes there food brand. Just like anything else just my internet opinion.

I understand Mike... it's like I hate all attorneys! LOL They're not all bad, just most of them. AND, it just so happens, most congressmen are attorneys, go figure! LOL Hear about the new colt pistol being made, it's called the "CONGRESSMAN".... it doesn't work and you can't fire it! LMAO

Fromm is available a few miles from the house here but at a much higher cost than alternative sources. Farmina is available in Issaquah, 10-15ish miles away, so cheaper to use alternative source also... Sounds like I'm about 20 miles north of your area.

[107barney]

Of course there are vets who are unscrupulous. Like the one who scared me into aspirating a benign cyst. I paid $90 for this. I then learned all but very few cysts are benign. The vet wanted the $ and played on my fears. This vet also shoved dog food bags in my face over and over despite me saying that I was going to home cook for my animals regardless of his uninformed opinion on nutrition. So yep there's a markup and it's not about whether the vet charges the same as chewy. It's the repeat biz every month when I have to pick up the cans and bags of food. I could go on and on about this. Bottom line: I feed my dogs better with home cooked food without my vet bugging me. Fired that vet.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Well, I'm sure there are vets in the world who *do* push Rx foods for profit. There are unscrupulous vets in the world, just like w/ anything. Granted, not a lot is made off of selling food but the fact remains that they do indeed make some money by selling their own foods. These are companies who pandered to them during school, btw, too. And believe me, I've seen that pandering first hand from being in nursing school and seeing big pharma vendors who cultivate relationships w/ students (ie, med students/dentists). It's not exactly what I'd call an ethical relationship, at least not in my book.

That said, there is a necessary place for these Rx diets and I'm grateful we have them at the end of the day.

I agree completely. I too am happy for rx diets. But anything in a bag or can can be simulated as a home cooked option. I had this experience last year. It amounted to almost harassment by my vet to the point I had to have my husband intervene because my blood pressure went up every time I went to the vet. It is always on the claimed "I believe in this food" approach by the vets as they thumb through the Rx diet manual. They can fool most people but I quickly realized that my more detailed questions couldn't be answered. I have gone a year without stones in my dog without an Rx food so it can be done. I also don't need someone rubber stamping how I spend my $ or giving me an ulcer when I spend it. I could go on and on about vet "maintenance" fees and the lack of real justification but I will keep my cynicism to myself!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I agree completely. I too am happy for rx diets. But anything in a bag or can can be simulated as a home cooked option. I had this experience last year. It amounted to almost harassment by my vet to the point I had to have my husband intervene because my blood pressure went up every time I went to the vet. It is always on the claimed "I believe in this food" approach by the vets as they thumb through the Rx diet manual. They can fool most people but I quickly realized that my more detailed questions couldn't be answered. I have gone a year without stones in my dog without an Rx food so it can be done. I also don't need someone rubber stamping how I spend my $ or giving me an ulcer when I spend it. I could go on and on about vet "maintenance" fees and the lack of real justification but I will keep my cynicism to myself!

I have a serious honest question please don't take it as me being nasty or sarcastic. Callie is on the Hypoallergenic Royal Canin prescription food and the vet said it was a man made protein so is it possible to home cook for a dog with IBD? She eats better now that Sammy lives with us and instead of free feeding I have to do scheduled feeding and the thought of trying to home cooking again still seems awesome but is it possible for a dog with IBD?

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I have a serious honest question please don't take it as me being nasty or sarcastic. Callie is on the Hypoallergenic Royal Canin prescription food and the vet said it was a man made protein so is it possible to home cook for a dog with IBD? She eats better now that Sammy lives with us and instead of free feeding I have to do scheduled feeding and the thought of trying to home cooking again still seems awesome but is it possible for a dog with IBD?

Of course it's possible. Daisy has IBD and eats home cooked food.
Yes RC hypo is a lab created food made from hydorlyzed soy protein.
If she has allergies or food intolerance then she might need hydrolyzed for that and there is no way to make hydrolyzed food at home.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Of course it's possible. Daisy has IBD and eats home cooked food.
Yes RC hypo is a lab created food made from hydorlyzed soy protein.
If she has allergies or food intolerance then she might need hydrolyzed for that and there is no way to make hydrolyzed food at home.

I was told that IBD is caused by allergies to food.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I was told that IBD is caused by allergies to food.

So why are you asking me? If you're trying to walk me into an argument, please just stop. If you believe your vet, then far be it from me to tell you to disbelieve. I'll say this though....the causes of IBD are not well understood in dogs. There are "theories" and if your vet has a theory about your dog, then maybe that vet is right about YOUR dog's probable cause of IBD. The last ACVIM consensus about IBD was that there are hard and fast rules about the causes.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by 107barney

So why are you asking me? If you're trying to walk me into an argument, please just stop. If you believe your vet, then far be it from me to tell you to disbelieve. I'll say this though....the causes of IBD are not well understood in dogs. There are "theories" and if your vet has a theory about your dog, then maybe that vet is right about YOUR dog's probable cause of IBD. The last ACVIM consensus about IBD was that there are hard and fast rules about the causes.

I am very much not trying to argue, I was just generally asking a question. I would love to home cook for Callie again but I was unsure if that was even possible with IBD. What my vet told me and gave me a sheet of paper that said allergies are generally the issues so I didn't know if there were certain food that dogs just didn't have allergies to that you could home cook with or if she is just stuck on this prescription food forever. Not trying to argue at all.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I am very much not trying to argue, I was just generally asking a question. I would love to home cook for Callie again but I was unsure if that was even possible with IBD. What my vet told me and gave me a sheet of paper that said allergies are generally the issues so I didn't know if there were certain food that dogs just didn't have allergies to that you could home cook with or if she is just stuck on this prescription food forever. Not trying to argue at all.

My advice is to go to petdiets and click on ask the nutritionist and ask an expert about this. I am not an expert. My dog has a lot of allergies and eats home cooked food.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Purina Beyond, kibble and canned, isn't priced all that cheap, last time I looked, it was on par with Fromm pricing at chewy. But, since that is the case, a simple glance at the two ingredient and analysis lists showed me that Fromm is the better buy.

Unless your dog does way better on Beyond than Fromm.

I LOVE Fromm as a company but their formulas in their "four star grain free" line are actually subpar IMO. I do like a few of their formulas. But Jackson has never done all that well on most of the formulas we've tried from them which is a shame, I always wanted him to. But I can't deny what works. Champion isn't really my 'favorite' company, they do shady things too, but again can't deny Jax does the best on their foods.