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Old 05-14-2015, 06:00 AM   #1
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Well its turning out to be a real roller-coaster. In short I've got nowhere in selecting a companion for Crystal this past 5 week, for one reason or another! That's after seeing 5 pups.

I am seeing a little girl on the weekend, from a reputable KC assured breeder who registers all her pups.

This is a little girl who is 1 month and two days old, she weighs in at 5ozs.

Is that small for a pup?

her siblings are around or over a pound (boys) apparently.? Crystal was 22 weeks old when she came to us and now at 27 months weighs in at over 8lbs.

We'd like a smaller dog anyway, (easier for me to lift one armed), but 5ozs seems tiny, even for these little folk. Breeder reckons she'll make between 4 and 5 pounds fully grown.
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She's only 5 oz? Wow! That's a really tiny pup. I'd be a bit afraid of having one that small and Rasta is less than 2.5 lbs full grown. The growth charts which give a guesstimate have your potential pup at less than 2 pounds/1 kg full grown. If the breeder says she'll be between 4-5 lbs then I'd probably go with her guesstimate, but keep in mind she may not make it to that weight.
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Wow, that is too tiny for me. My Gina weighed 12oz at 10 wks and that was small. She ended up weighing 9 lbs. wait a minute. Did you say she was a month and 2 weeks old? That would be 6 wks, which is too young to be removed from her mom. By the time she is 12 wks she should be a good weight. Good luck.
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Wow, that is too tiny for me. My Gina weighed 12oz at 10 wks and that was small. She ended up weighing 9 lbs. wait a minute. Did you say she was a month and 2 weeks old? That would be 6 wks, which is too young to be removed from her mom. By the time she is 12 wks she should be a good weight. Good luck.
Hello, thank you for replying to me. This little girl weighed in at 5oz today, she was born April the 15th. According to the breeder she eats like a 'little horse' and already bosses her two brothers around, who weigh in at 13 and 15 ozs by comparison. Their number is consistently busy with enquiries for this tiny creature, so I don't think she'll be available for long. Fortunately her family know of me! So bearing in mind that 'provenance' a 'reserved' viewing will take place next week, when the breeder visits her daughter near my home, here on the East coast. The 'Mom' who weighs 4 and a half pounds will of course accompany.

The Breeder is Kennel Club 'assured' (checked) and full pedigree and KC registration accompany the transaction. She wants to retain this tiny one for a further 6 weeks (10 weeks old), to ensure she's OK to leave mom after her final jabs, bearing in mind her diminutive size.
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Oh gosh Doc - I know that different countries do things differently. But with a wee one = I want the breeder to keep the pup until 2lbs at least. What ever that is in kilograms what .90 kg. And I thought England was all over to kilos etc.


If you are prepared and ready for a tiney - which seems how she is tracking then okay - but also be prepared that there could be more health probs.
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Oh gosh Doc - I know that different countries do things differently. But with a wee one = I want the breeder to keep the pup until 2lbs at least. What ever that is in kilograms what .90 kg. And I thought England was all over to kilos etc.


If you are prepared and ready for a tiney - which seems how she is tracking then okay - but also be prepared that there could be more health probs.
Thank you. Those of us, who are proud to be English, still do things in lbs and ounces, feet and inches, as against the wretched European Union's enforced Kg's meters and foreign units etc.

I am concerned about health problems through genetic interbreeding - but am assured this tiny is unusual for this breeder. A friend had a 3lber (girl) who lived till 15. However I'm aware now through YT of the problems that a small build is more likely to manifest and it does worry me, but it seems the genetic lottery is not mutually exclusive to small pups.

I'm told my organic menu (cooked fresh daily), health checks, exercise, general love, play and care regime are what kept my little Jack Russell going until he was 16. Crystal gets exactly the same treatment now, and my friends mockingly reckon she eats better than they do!

I always thought I'd grow wiser as my days got shorter. However I will probably lose my heart to this little one, therefore wrestling once more the ambivalence of impetuosity over pragmatism!
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Hi Doc!


What ever you decide I am hoping for a healthy, happy pup.
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Hello Joyce thank you, I must try to let sensibility prevail on this choice. I spoke with a 'Crufts' Judge for the breed last evening. He thought this little one 'if' the weight was correct at 1 month would end up at a year about 3 and a half pounds. As he said 'small' and would need provision for acknowledgement of her stature i.e. a quiet home and environs. Definitely no young children or stairs perhaps, no overtly strenuous or long exercise regimes. Also may need feeding three to four times a day, a little and more often etc. I can tick all those boxes by the way.

He gave me a few skeletal points to look out for, but did add that these 'tiny ones' do crop up within normal sized litters quite often and that as long as their needs are recognized, they can make out OK.

He added that many today are snapped up by young women as fashion accessories. Once the fad fades, they are then deserted and left alone for 12 hours or more a day, where accidents and depression can prevail. I drew the impression they get very close to their humans, who understand their frailties and with whom they feel secure.
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Hello Joyce thank you, I must try to let sensibility prevail on this choice. I spoke with a 'Crufts' Judge for the breed last evening. He thought this little one 'if' the weight was correct at 1 month would end up at a year about 3 and a half pounds. As he said 'small' and would need provision for acknowledgement of her stature i.e. a quiet home and environs. Definitely no young children or stairs perhaps, no overtly strenuous or long exercise regimes. Also may need feeding three to four times a day, a little and more often etc. I can tick all those boxes by the way.

He gave me a few skeletal points to look out for, but did add that these 'tiny ones' do crop up within normal sized litters quite often and that as long as their needs are recognized, they can make out OK.

He added that many today are snapped up by young women as fashion accessories. Once the fad fades, they are then deserted and left alone for 12 hours or more a day, where accidents and depression can prevail. I drew the impression they get very close to their humans, who understand their frailties and with whom they feel secure.

So glad that you are consulting the experts re: this. It may help to know that all of the above advice/opinion was mirrored by Teddy's vet. Teddy is small, at 4lbs, and I have been told that he requires more mental health care as a result (lucky for him that is my specialty)! Apparently, there is some correlation between YT size and neuroticism and separation anxiety - both of which Teddy displays to a large degree in comparison to the bigger Yorkies. Consequently, some exposure therapies and desensitization socialization techniques used successfully on bigger dogs result in extreme stress and anxiety for Teddy. It's good to have a vet which specializes in YTs because, otherwise, I could have ruined this boy!

Good luck and happy you have found someone to consult re: your puppy search. The search is hard work but pays off!
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So glad that you are consulting the experts re: this. It may help to know that all of the above advice/opinion was mirrored by Teddy's vet. Teddy is small, at 4lbs, and I have been told that he requires more mental health care as a result (lucky for him that is my specialty)! Apparently, there is some correlation between YT size and neuroticism and separation anxiety - both of which Teddy displays to a large degree in comparison to the bigger Yorkies. Consequently, some exposure therapies and desensitization socialization techniques used successfully on bigger dogs result in extreme stress and anxiety for Teddy. It's good to have a vet which specializes in YTs because, otherwise, I could have ruined this boy!

Good luck and happy you have found someone to consult re: your puppy search. The search is hard work but pays off!
Thank you for your help. I was referred to a lady locally with an especially tiny Chihuahua, who confirmed again what we'd been told. She added that feeding three to four times a day, (a little and more often etc), helps the little digestive organs to assimilate nutrients. Fortunately we are both retired and can avail this need. She added (having had two) they tend to get very close to a caring human, who coalescing with their needs, they can then feel secure. She thought as there were two of us that wouldn't be a problem for Crystal to embrace, who is a very 'big hearted' and unselfish dog anyway. Yorkies she thought, even 'tiny's' were of a more robust frame and independence anyway.
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Hello Joyce thank you, I must try to let sensibility prevail on this choice. I spoke with a 'Crufts' Judge for the breed last evening. He thought this little one 'if' the weight was correct at 1 month would end up at a year about 3 and a half pounds. As he said 'small' and would need provision for acknowledgement of her stature i.e. a quiet home and environs. Definitely no young children or stairs perhaps, no overtly strenuous or long exercise regimes. Also may need feeding three to four times a day, a little and more often etc. I can tick all those boxes by the way.

He gave me a few skeletal points to look out for, but did add that these 'tiny ones' do crop up within normal sized litters quite often and that as long as their needs are recognized, they can make out OK.

He added that many today are snapped up by young women as fashion accessories. Once the fad fades, they are then deserted and left alone for 12 hours or more a day, where accidents and depression can prevail. I drew the impression they get very close to their humans, who understand their frailties and with whom they feel secure.

I have 2 that are considered tiny by many. Not so much by me, as they have huge attitudes

Sugar and Curri are both just below 4 pounds give or take. They vary between 3 3/4 pounds and 4 pounds. They do require more attention than any other dog I've had but I'm not sure that is size or personality or training (them of ME) dependent

We only feed twice a day since maturity with a snack before bed so that Curri doesn't get an upset tummy and vomit a bit of bile.

I've noticed a lot of the smaller yorkies are afflicted with dental issues because of their tiny mouthes. I'm sure genetics also play a huge part in this. But other than a great dental routine and using caution and stairs/ ramps with furniture, they are a pretty hearty duo!

Good luck on your decision ( it sounds as if it's already been made )
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I have 2 that are considered tiny by many. Not so much by me, as they have huge attitudes

Sugar and Curri are both just below 4 pounds give or take. They vary between 3 3/4 pounds and 4 pounds. They do require more attention than any other dog I've had but I'm not sure that is size or personality or training (them of ME) dependent

We only feed twice a day since maturity with a snack before bed so that Curri doesn't get an upset tummy and vomit a bit of bile.

I've noticed a lot of the smaller yorkies are afflicted with dental issues because of their tiny mouthes. I'm sure genetics also play a huge part in this. But other than a great dental routine and using caution and stairs/ ramps with furniture, they are a pretty hearty duo!

Good luck on your decision ( it sounds as if it's already been made )
Thanks for your experiences, much appreciated. The Dental thing is something I'd not thought of, (Crystal uses at least 1 chew stick a day), she's checked every six months at the vet too. As a pup, we can start her 'brushing' from the beginning. I can first see her on the 23rd when she'll be 40 days old. Her breeder will bring her to the daughter's home nearby. As we can't have her anyway until early July anyway, I'm easy with that.

Apparently, she's a stand-out character already and I know from Crystal's skills how good they are at manipulating us! Goes with their intelligence I think and a good trade off for all the fun the 'attitude' gives most of the time as a positive value. I enjoy my times at my age, with my dog now as much as anything I do. I have a feeling about this little one somehow...
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Rin is just a little under the 4lb mark (6 years) and she came from an otherwise "standard" litter. 7lb mom and 6lb dad....she just happened to be the smallest....

Rin has always been the smartest, most playful and robust little girl, plus she is very "emotionally stable" and independent. No separation anxiety or nervousness at all.

She is positively wonderful and generally healthy. However, she does have Grade 1 LP so we have to be careful with the jumping. This is difficult because she has no fear and loves to play chase. Also, the dental issues have already been fairly significant. Poor thing needs a cleaning every year and has already had several teeth pulled. My vet tells me this is common for tiny yorkies. Unfortunately, i was unable to train Rin to a toothbrush. So my advice: BE PREPARED TO BRUSH TEETH
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Oh! I hope no one got the impression that Teddy needs a straight jacket or psychiatric assistance..he's just high strung...lol


Anyway, I'm sure you have a lot to think about right now so good luck and - remember - we like pics!
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Through a contact I've been connected to a reputable breeder with a little 'Parti' coated girl. She's just a year old and weighs 4 lbs. She's being spayed tomorrow, as her owner says she's too small to breed from? The ancestry (Sire) is from Hungary (google "zaid von el cassius dio") - to see his pedigree. She is also IBC 'German Biewer Club' registered. I'm not particularly looking for a Biewer, but her coat does looks wonderful, and the weight is very easy for me to handle. I also felt her little face looked very forlorn and that she could probably do with a lot of fun, playing and being naughty, which Crystal and her nutty Dad could certainly provide!
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