Everyone Please Read: Going Forward, We Must Post With More Respect Toward Others

[Lilah Charm]

I believe this thread was posted because the manner in which some people within the yt community have been responding within threads has been perceived by a large enough member base as rude and/or innapropriate that a moderator felt it necessary to step in and create this thread. If the tone and atmosphere within these dischorded threads weren't becoming consistently out of hand as perceived by a large enough portion of this community to cause a moderator response then I don't think this thread would exist. That said I don't see the value in tit for tatting the morals and manners as independently perceived by each member. The community spoke that the behavior was innapropriate, the moderator agreed there was a concern and posted a request to communicate in a more appropriate manner and to me, that seems that should be that.

[megansmomma]

Here is another example of this supposed "intent".

Originally Posted by megansmomma View Post
That's exactly what I mean. MILLIONS of dogs are killed each year because of their irresponsible owners.



I don't see any snarky comments going on here. If you think offering the opinion that people are irresponsible and millions are animals are killed every year is snarky I don't know what to even say to that.

Gemy, don't take this wrong but as much as you advocate for this topic we all know how you had a Heartworm positive dog. The story is very sad but in the end it was owner failure by not properly giving the preventative.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/our...s-prayers.html

Which brings me to the point of why EVERY pet owner should spay and neuter. When it becomes a matter of life and death it is then too late. Like I said in my first post, owners are not always responsible and the story of Zoey (I consider you very responsible) is just case in point.

I had no "ill intent" in my post. Yet YOU read some "intent" into my post. Then processed to scold me by your implied intent.

Sorry, Jodi, this is such a low blow, and it's unacceptable to me, no matter how passionate you are. Reading this really hurt me, and it would have been the case, even if it wasn't written about such a dear friend. I guess getting your point across is more important than caring about the feelings of a highly respected, contributing member of our community. We are all infallible; I don't think anyone, including Gail, would disagree with this. She took full responsibility for Zoey's illness, and she has been vocal about it. With everything I know about Gail, I would trust my adored little girl with her anytime. Her love for her pups is truly admirable, and she epitomizes what it means to be a devoted pet owner. I am so grateful for everything she does to educate our board and to contribute to the "heart" to YT.

I believe I am a very responsible pet owner, yet I have made mistakes. We all have. I do everything I can to learn how to do the very best I can for my little one. I have spayed all of my Yorkies through the years, but I appreciate this research and all of the information shared. I hope posts like yours don't deter others from posting. I know you are passionate about dogs. So am I, but I believe it is beyond reproach to bring up something so hurtful. I love dogs, and I will strongly advocate for them, yet I also live by a code of ethics that respects the feelings of both people and animals. Gemy earned my respect long ago, and that respect deepened when she shared Zoey's story and advocated for heart worm prevention.

All I said was that mistakes happen to even responsible owners. My words were turned into something that was never said, meant or implied. You perceived my posts as an attack toward Gemy and it was not. Then proceeded to state the above which is filled with all types of intent if I wanted to apply it.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lilah Charm

I believe this thread was posted because the manner in which some people within the yt community have been responding within threads has been perceived by a large enough member base as rude and/or innapropriate that a moderator felt it necessary to step in and create this thread. If the tone and atmosphere within these dischorded threads weren't becoming consistently out of hand as perceived by a large enough portion of this community to cause a moderator response then I don't think this thread would exist. That said I don't see the value in tit for tatting the morals and manners as independently perceived by each member. The community spoke that the behavior was innapropriate, the moderator agreed there was a concern and posted a request to communicate in a more appropriate manner and to me, that seems that should be that.

Well, here we go with intent yet again. You think Ann's intent is different from what I think her intent is. I honestly believe that if she felt people were rude and inappropriate, she would tell them and/or suspend and/or ban them.

Note that she has encouraged this discussion. If she felt "that should be that" she would say so and make this a sticky and not allow posts on it.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

The intent to one-up or belittle another is usually what starts the arguments - and shouldn't really be part of any adult lively discussion. Just sticking to the points and keeping it real is all that's necessary. I'm the last one to stop a good debate but hate to see them turn into one-line zingers and hateful back-and-forth's that go on for pages. What is the good of that?

Originally Posted by Lilah Charm

I believe this thread was posted because the manner in which some people within the yt community have been responding within threads has been perceived by a large enough member base as rude and/or innapropriate that a moderator felt it necessary to step in and create this thread. If the tone and atmosphere within these dischorded threads weren't becoming consistently out of hand as perceived by a large enough portion of this community to cause a moderator response then I don't think this thread would exist. That said I don't see the value in tit for tatting the morals and manners as independently perceived by each member. The community spoke that the behavior was innapropriate, the moderator agreed there was a concern and posted a request to communicate in a more appropriate manner and to me, that seems that should be that.

Personally, I felt this thread was started as a response to ALL MEMBERS of the YT community and not any particular "side". It should be taken in by EVERYONE and not some particular imaginary group of bullying members. If there were certain members that needed to be addressed directly then it would have been done.

My perception of what Ann posted was more like knock off the bickering kids and get along.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Here is another example of this supposed "intent".

I had no "ill intent" in my post. Yet YOU read some "intent" into my post. Then processed to scold me by your implied intent.



All I said was that mistakes happen to even responsible owners. My words were turned into something that was never said, meant or implied. You perceived my posts as an attack toward Gemy and it was not. Then proceeded to state the above which is filled with all types of intent if I wanted to apply it.

You quoted when I spoke up against what I perceived to be very wrong. I have not changed my view on that.

If you look back to my post, you will see that I said that I could not infer what Cathy's values are after saying she didn't know much about me.

I'm not going to respond further on my intent in tonight's post. You don't know me if you think I think I'm a member of an elite group. Although my intent was not to scold you the last time, I still find your post offensive.

[JMuedog]

This thread has turned into exactly what we're trying to stop. It has to stop.

This constant back and forth between groups of members is getting out of hand and completely distracting from the purpose of YT. Any educating/informing members are trying to get across is completely undone with this bickering. These arguments are not benefiting anyone.

EVERY member needs to start showing some compassion and respect. Look at yourself in the mirror. Ask yourselves if you want to be addressed in the way that you are addressing members. Take a good hard look at your posts, the tone of your posts, and ask yourself how it can be interpreted. No one can read your mind and know your inflection. We all can use some editing. If you think you can't, trust me YOU can!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by JMuedog

This thread has turned into exactly what we're trying to stop. It has to stop.

This constant back and forth between groups of members is getting out of hand and completely distracting from the purpose of YT. Any educating/informing members are trying to get across is completely undone with this bickering. These arguments are not benefiting anyone.

EVERY member needs to start showing some compassion and respect. Look at yourself in the mirror. Ask yourselves if you want to be addressed in the way that you are addressing members. Take a good hard look at your posts, the tone of your posts, and ask yourself how it can be interpreted. No one can read your mind and know your inflection. We all can use some editing. If you think you can't, trust me YOU can!

Totally agree with this, especially the last line. Reminds me of my son's hs track and field coach....there is no such word as "can't". And, on that note, I am headed to bed.

Peace folks. I believe I will go look in the mirror and go find something nice to say to someone on YT in the morning before I run out to the dog show.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Totally agree with this, especially the last line. Reminds me of my son's hs track and field coach....there is no such word as "can't". And, on that note, I am headed to bed.

Peace folks. I believe I will go look in the mirror and go find something nice to say to someone on YT in the morning before I run out to the dog show.

I'm done too. I've got way too much on my plate right now to debate intent, inflections and moral compasses.

I looked in the mirror and I'm a wreck from dealing with real life today. Peace out

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Totally agree with this, especially the last line. Reminds me of my son's hs track and field coach....there is no such word as "can't". And, on that note, I am headed to bed.

Peace folks. I believe I will go look in the mirror and go find something nice to say to someone on YT in the morning before I run out to the dog show.

Good night Linda. I'm looking forward to seeing more pics from the dog show.

[AllDogBoots]

I think Ann had good intentions starting this thread. But oh, the irony...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Good night Linda. I'm looking forward to seeing more pics from the dog show.

Nite Donna....I need to remember to take more tomorrow!

[107barney]

I wish you all sweet dreams...

[chachi]

Look I said when someone said they can understand someones intent it was a statement that starts arguments and thats exactly what it did here. I just wish everyone would think about how they post and how to stop the arguments I think thats really whats needed and what I saw as the point of the thread

[matese]

Originally Posted by chachi

Or when your words are taking out of context for example I told someone I dont believe you and that was changed by them to say I was calling them a liar. I would not call someone a liar and if I did I would expect to be suspended but I think it is okay to say I dont believe you about something if you really dont why do you need to go along like you do. I see things like this happen all the time on here

By telling someone you don't believe them, that is calling them a liar, you're just eliminating the "name calling word liar" . If some one says their father is a vet, and your reply is " I don't believe you" if that's not calling a person a liar, then what is it you're saying? You don't have to use the "word " liar, to call them one.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by matese

By telling someone you don't believe them, that is calling them a liar, you're just eliminating the "name calling word liar" . If some one says their father is a vet, and your reply is " I don't believe you" if that's not calling a person a liar, then what is it you're saying? You don't have to use the "word " liar, to call them one.

Actually I explained this many pages ago. When I say I dont believe you to . me it isnt about them or I would just say you are lying. It is about me I dont believe it. You can do the process of not believing alot of things like the moon is not made of cheese for example. I just dont see why saying I dont believe something is wrong am I supposed to go along like I do believe when I really truly dont just so I dont offend someone. This is an example of policing posts that gets me or other people upset. Im not telling you how not to post Im just trying to let you see how the other side gets upset. Even though it shouldnt be 2 sides just one forum anyway