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03-01-2014, 08:47 PM | #1 |
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| Biewer...or not??? Hi everyone! I'm new to this site and still trying to figure it out. I have two Yorkies (I think)...Ella is a one year old silky and Maizy is a 4 month old Biewer. My question is to anyone who knows anything about Biewers. I got Maizy just before Christmas from a breeder who owned the father and grandfather and was given one of the pups from the litter (my Maizy) in exchange for stud services. The mother is a Biewer yorkie (supposedly) and Maizy was the only one in the litter who was born with Biewer characteristics. So...I was told she would be very small...estimated 3 1/2 lbs full grown, and at 4 months, she's already 5 lbs. She's also shedding a lot, has straight, somewhat wiry hair and really, appears to be a Yorkie/Jack Russell mix rather than a Biewer. I'm considering doing a DNA on her and going after the breeder if she's not, but just don't have the finances for that at this time. Just wondering if anyone who has much experience with Biewers can tell me if they've seen one that resembles her. Regardless of what she is, I love her to bits and she's not going anywhere, I just want to know what she is. |
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03-02-2014, 12:33 PM | #2 |
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| If Maizy was the only one from the litter with "Biewer characteristics," which I take to mean color pattern, then no, she is not a Biewer. Biewers are their own breed, and are supposed to bred to other Biewers. All of the offspring should have Biewer characteristics. Do you know what the father looked like? DNA testing should only cost about $80 and would be well worth the expense if you can get your money back from the breeder. You have good reason to suspect that Maizy is not purebred. Here is a link to Wisdom Panel, which does breed testing: Wisdom Panel® 2.0 | Wisdom Panel They can distinguish purebred Biewers from Yorkshire Terriers, and can also detect if other dog breeds are in Maizy's background as well. |
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03-02-2014, 12:58 PM | #4 |
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| She's really, really cute, is what she is!!!! I do agree with yorkie/jrt. Neither Biewers nor yorkies shed. I'm sorry it appears that you were lied to. but your baby is seriously gorgeous.
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03-02-2014, 01:23 PM | #5 |
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| First ::::Welcome to YT, you have come to the right place to hopefully get answers to yorkie questions. I am not that knowledgeable about Biewer's I am my self recently doing research on them, they are not AKC accepted as I am sure you know. There are members that have much more info. on that matter. Second... she is absolutely adorable, I agree with CARMEOW, Biewer's & Yorkies do NOT SHED. In my OWN PERSONAL OPINION, Maizy's face looks like a Jack Russell, My neighbor has a JR, Maizy has Biewer's coloring but not that yorkie face. I know that you love her and will keep her regardless, but DNA is good just to know what she is, and maybe this "breeder" or person that got the pup for stud payment can be held accountable for selling you a breed that is not a biewer. Good luck to you, and PLEASE keep us up dated.
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03-03-2014, 06:53 AM | #6 |
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| First off why did the breeder not dock her tail? Sounds fishy to me. How much did you pay my biewer cost me $1800 they are not cheap.
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03-03-2014, 02:02 PM | #7 |
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| I was under the impressiong that biewers had full tails.
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03-03-2014, 02:14 PM | #8 |
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| You're right, their standard is for them to have a full tail not a docked one.. "TAIL: A complete tail, with lots of hair, carried slightly higher than the level of the back". (Biewer Standard and History)
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03-03-2014, 02:47 PM | #9 |
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| Yes your right they have a full tail I read some but not the whole thread I thought she was debating if it was biewer or parti yorkie. Now I saw she thinks it looks like a jack russel I guess DNA with wisdom panel will tell the results.
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03-03-2014, 02:57 PM | #10 |
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| @EllaMaizysMom: Maizy is beautiful.
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03-03-2014, 04:43 PM | #11 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | Check out http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/blo...-overview.html The Biewer, named after the founder,originated in Germany in the mid 80's. Over the years they are selectively bred and a standard was set. The standard is similar to the Yorkie, but calls for specific color placement. White paws, tip of the tail, symetrical coloring on the head and face, etc and no docking of tail. It has been recognized as a separate breed by some organization and can be shown in some venues. Not in the AKC Partis are tri-colored Yorkies. They can be registered with but not shown in AKC. Can be shown in some other venues. There is no standard set for them that allows for the non-standard coloring, but typically, most Parti breeders follow the YT standard with color as the exception. Biewer info can be found here... Biewer Breed Club of America You can get more info on the Parti Yorkie here... Yorkshire Terrier - PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB
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03-03-2014, 04:44 PM | #12 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | And Yes Biewers have their tail and Parti Yorkies tails get docked
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03-03-2014, 10:44 PM | #13 |
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| Thanks for all your responses...and all your kind compliments about Maizy (she is pretty darn cute, if I say so myself )!! I just wanted to clarify one thing...Maizy's dad is a regular yorkie and the mother is the one who is the Biewer. I knew Maizy wasn't a pure Biewer, but seeing that both parents are Yorkies, I was told she would have the Yorkie features. I sent an email to the breeder yesterday stating what some of my concerns were and seeing if maybe there was a mixup somewhere (really, I gave her the chance to come clean). Her response was pretty nasty and defensive...which has raised some more red flags. I've asked for a picture of the mother just so I had an idea of what Maizy "could" look like and she always had an excuse for not being able to send me one. So, I'm going ahead with the DNA and will contact the CKC if indeed the results come back as anything other than a Biewer Yorkie. At the end of the day, I got a wonderful, rascally little girl who I adore and could care less about getting any money back. If this breeder knowingly sold me a pup that was something other than what I was told, she needs to be held accountable...it's the principle of it all that matters the most to me. |
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