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waistfull · 12-29-2005, 03:19 AM

Wow I love to see and read about all the different kinds or cousins of yorkies. They are all so beautiful! The prices are high, but I guess since they are so rare.

Deber · 12-29-2005, 04:11 AM

Hey, though I have a Biewer and know what I went through to get a Good German breeder to work with me..I think charging that price for a pup is crazy! Yes they are new and rare here..but unless this dog had a show history here and in Germany where the costs to the owner have be so exorbitant I can not see charging so much..and this is a puppy. If people will just be a bit patient there will be more and prices will be more reasonable. I think this person is out to make a REALLY good buck..and they will probably find someone that will pay that price! So sad...

wnalegria · 12-29-2005, 05:18 AM

Some people use the word Rare as a marketing tool. Lots of people will see the word and will pay more. Just another scam.

There are quite a few folks on the forum who can help you if you need information the the Biewer. Don't be confused they have their own standard- so they are a breed apart from a yorkie. We also have some who have the parti- or piebald colored yorkies.

gymbo68 · 12-29-2005, 07:58 AM

RARE....RARE.....
Oh how that makes the price of things go up...but that is a bit ridicilous!

Most times it is only rare because the general public is un-educated! What a sham!

YorkieRini · 12-29-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gymbo68

RARE....RARE.....
Oh how that makes the price of things go up...but that is a bit ridicilous!

Most times it is only rare because the general public is un-educated! What a sham!

Biewers are few and far between but not for long. Ads like that will getting puppy machines going...sick!!

Brutus'mama · 12-29-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Amyann

This breed is considered rare due to fact they are only 20 years in existence and there might be about 100 of this breed here in America at this time.

Their heritage is from a Yorkshire and were developed into this breed by a pie-bald recessive gene to develop the colorings.

Here is a couple of good links that will help you understand the breed. These are the top German Clubs that represent the Biewer Yorkshire breed as our YTCA represents the Yorkshire Terriers.

International Biewer Yorkshire Terrier Club e.V. -- IBC
German Biewer Yorkshire Terrier Club e.V.

These links I have added are the translated links for your reading pleasure...lol.

On the serious side it has some interesting and good factual reading on the breed and it's standard. It is my goal to educate those interested in learning about the Biewers as I have decided to get involved in being a breeder here in America.

Regarding the price you read in the paper in my opinion is quite a bit over priced...

If people are patient and wait they can and will find them for a reasonable price.

This is one of my Male Biewers at his last show in Nov. We are really excited to attend the show in Lexington, Kentucky on April 8th & 9th. as well as taking some of our Biewers back to Germany in October to show in their homeland...

He is fabulous Sue!

shelbysmom · 12-29-2005, 09:04 AM

We had a long discussion about Biewers recently
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22853

The YTCA considers their off coloring a fault.
Some breeders consider them a different breed.
Some consider them Yorkies.
We all consider them cute but not quite worthy of that kind of price tag.

Rare? Well, part of that reason is Yorkie breeders that are trying to meet the standard would not breed a dog that color. A Yorkie breeder in Germany (Biewer) decided to run with the off color and create a new "breed" . I am still a little confused how you take 2 Yorkies and get another breed? Still waiting for an answer on that one.

Anyone know if other breeds were "created" this way?

YorkieRini · 12-29-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shelbysmom

We had a long discussion about Biewers recently
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22853

The YTCA considers their off coloring a fault.
Some Yorkie breeders consider them a different breed.
Some consider them Yorkies.
We all consider them cute but not quite worthy of that kind of price tag.

Rare? Well, part of that reason is Yorkie breeders that are trying to meet the standard would not breed a dog that color. A Yorkie breeder in Germany (Biewer) decided to run with the off color and create a new "breed" . I am still a little confused how you take 2 Yorkies and get another breed? Still waiting for an answer on that one.

Anyone know if other breeds were "created" this way?

To be considered a 'new breed' there must be a standard. Specifications as to what the breed should look like, and those produced from it should look like. The Yorkie started off by mixing different breeds, but when the standard was developed and maintained by careful breeding..the Yorkshire Terrier spun off on to a breed of it's own. So a breed has to have a standard to be considered a breed of it's own. This is my understanding and belief.

YorkieRini · 12-29-2005, 09:21 AM

Speaking of faults. I have talk to some Chinese Crested breeders, I happen to meet on at my handling class. CC have 3 versions. The hairless, the hairy hairless and the poweder puff. Now, neither version has a 'standard' so you can compare them to the tri color Yorkie that is AKC registered. You can show both Powder Puff and Hairless. Would you believe that a Hairless missing teeth is NOT a fault because the CC club has accepted the recessive gene that goes along with being a Hairless?..I found that rather odd..because Yorkies need all toofers

IF the CC club didn't recognize the HL because of the recessive gene. The HL could be spun off of a breed of it's own in hopes of being accepted (just like Biewers). IF someone wanted to do so.

If Germany's club accepted the Tri Colored Yorkie. There would be no need to create a different breed.

I though'd I'd share that with you all in regards to acceptance and non-acceptance of recessive genes.
Thought it was interesting.

Snow Yorkies · 12-29-2005, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

We had a long discussion about Biewers recently
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22853

The YTCA considers their off coloring a fault.
Some Yorkie breeders consider them a different breed.
Some consider them Yorkies.
We all consider them cute but not quite worthy of that kind of price tag.

Rare? Well, part of that reason is Yorkie breeders that are trying to meet the standard would not breed a dog that color. A Yorkie breeder in Germany (Biewer) decided to run with the off color and create a new "breed" . I am still a little confused how you take 2 Yorkies and get another breed? Still waiting for an answer on that one.

Anyone know if other breeds were "created" this way?

Let me see if I can explain this...This breed was developed from a yorkie though a particular recessive gene- the "pie bald gene." After Mr. Biewer spent years to perfect the coloring pattern for this breed to arrive to the coloring standard that was set for them and that we practice for this breed. Since they have a standard and you can continue to reproduce (bred) these Biewers to to that standard they are now a breed of their own.

Usually the mixing of other breeds is how we introduce a new breed such as a a MI KI (sp?) This is a exception to that rule it was done through Genetics..
I am not sure about any other breeds being developed that way to be honest. I know it is this procedure is used in breeding horses and know very little about that as well...lol.

Snow Yorkies · 12-29-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brutus'mama

He is fabulous Sue!

Thank you I am very proud of him... He is a little "show boat" when he gets in the ring that is for sure... When we are in our natural setting here at home he is a ham and insists to be at my feet.. I don't need slippers that is for sure...lol

lilfoot · 12-29-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Biewers are few and far between but not for long. Ads like that will getting puppy machines going...sick!!

I agree with you....the puppy millers are going to see that ad and BOOM there will be an explosion of Briewers....so scary!!!

YorkieRini · 12-29-2005, 09:53 AM

I also think Homer is darling. Nice tight earset. He looks so much like my Lucia. Except she has a bit of white on her face and her hair is longer cuz she's older I think.

You guys think so?

shelbysmom · 12-29-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Let me see if I can explain this...This breed was developed from a yorkie though a particular recessive gene- the "pie bald gene." After Mr. Biewer spent years to perfect the coloring pattern for this breed to arrive to the coloring standard that was set for them and that we practice for this breed. Since they have a standard and you can continue to reproduce (bred) these Biewers to to that standard they are now a breed of their own.

Usually the mixing of other breeds is how we introduce a new breed such as a a MI KI (sp?) This is a exception to that rule it was done through Genetics..
I am not sure about any other breeds being developed that way to be honest. I know it is this procedure is used in breeding horses and know very little about that as well...lol.

So, if we follow this is it okay if someone takes the parti-color and does the same thing? Will it be a Yorkie or a new breed? I understand what Biewer did but it seems like what he did is specifically against the Yorkie standard? I guess that is okay if you are creating a new breed?

Snow Yorkies · 12-29-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilfoot

I agree with you....the puppy millers are going to see that ad and BOOM there will be an explosion of Briewers....so scary!!!

I can only hope that the good reputable breeders will get known and people will be educated that this is not a normal price for a Biewer.

I have to add here that I read that ad of the over priced

Biewers and my Biewers are WRV e.V. registered and it is not a registry that AKC reconizes. So that ad is being dishonest.

Not 100% sure about the registry listed in this ad, but when we called AKC to check on the different registries that AKC does except from Germany none of registries that are used for the Biewers are excepted at this time. At least this is what we were told from AKC.

12-29-2005, 04:11 AM	#17
Deber Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 68	Hey, though I have a Biewer and know what I went through to get a Good German breeder to work with me..I think charging that price for a pup is crazy! Yes they are new and rare here..but unless this dog had a show history here and in Germany where the costs to the owner have be so exorbitant I can not see charging so much..and this is a puppy. If people will just be a bit patient there will be more and prices will be more reasonable. I think this person is out to make a REALLY good buck..and they will probably find someone that will pay that price! So sad... __________________ Deb and the Gang!

12-29-2005, 07:58 AM	#19
gymbo68 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,022	RARE....RARE..... Oh how that makes the price of things go up...but that is a bit ridicilous! Most times it is only rare because the general public is un-educated! What a sham! __________________ Max and Milos Dad!

12-29-2005, 09:04 AM	#22
shelbysmom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,394	We had a long discussion about Biewers recently http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22853 The YTCA considers their off coloring a fault. Some breeders consider them a different breed. Some consider them Yorkies. We all consider them cute but not quite worthy of that kind of price tag. Rare? Well, part of that reason is Yorkie breeders that are trying to meet the standard would not breed a dog that color. A Yorkie breeder in Germany (Biewer) decided to run with the off color and create a new "breed" . I am still a little confused how you take 2 Yorkies and get another breed? Still waiting for an answer on that one. Anyone know if other breeds were "created" this way? Last edited by shelbysmom; 12-29-2005 at 09:08 AM.

12-29-2005, 09:21 AM	#24
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Faults Speaking of faults. I have talk to some Chinese Crested breeders, I happen to meet on at my handling class. CC have 3 versions. The hairless, the hairy hairless and the poweder puff. Now, neither version has a 'standard' so you can compare them to the tri color Yorkie that is AKC registered. You can show both Powder Puff and Hairless. Would you believe that a Hairless missing teeth is NOT a fault because the CC club has accepted the recessive gene that goes along with being a Hairless?..I found that rather odd..because Yorkies need all toofers IF the CC club didn't recognize the HL because of the recessive gene. The HL could be spun off of a breed of it's own in hopes of being accepted (just like Biewers). IF someone wanted to do so. If Germany's club accepted the Tri Colored Yorkie. There would be no need to create a different breed. I though'd I'd share that with you all in regards to acceptance and non-acceptance of recessive genes. Thought it was interesting. Last edited by YorkieRini; 12-29-2005 at 09:25 AM.

12-29-2005, 09:53 AM	#28
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	I also think Homer is darling. Nice tight earset. He looks so much like my Lucia. Except she has a bit of white on her face and her hair is longer cuz she's older I think. You guys think so? Attached Thumbnails

12-29-2005, 03:19 AM	#16
waistfull Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,861	Wow I love to see and read about all the different kinds or cousins of yorkies. They are all so beautiful! The prices are high, but I guess since they are so rare.

12-29-2005, 05:18 AM	#18
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	Some people use the word Rare as a marketing tool. Lots of people will see the word and will pay more. Just another scam. There are quite a few folks on the forum who can help you if you need information the the Biewer. Don't be confused they have their own standard- so they are a breed apart from a yorkie. We also have some who have the parti- or piebald colored yorkies.