Confused - some very rare Yorkie??

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

So the acceptance of the AKC will never happen..it doesn't follow the paper trail AKC requires. Make sense?

To clarify...the acceptance of the AKC to accept my Biewers as Tri Yorkies...is highly unlikely...

[whispersmom2]

I have been following this post and decided to say a couple of thins. First, AKC requires pics of the tris, plus parents papers proving they are AKC. Then AKC does have a rule (not sure if that qualifies as a "standard") that says the base coat (probably a better explanation somewhere) is white with visible patches of 2 other colors. The numbers used to register parti Yorkie markings are the same as for Parti Poodles, Pom, etc. Parti, as designated by AKC is "Markings", and is assigned the same number no matter the breed. I did allow a breeding between my AKC parti male and my Biewer female. The puppies are marked as per the Biewer standard. BUT, they will not be registered and will be placed as the loving and loved pets they are.
I currently have a mating between my Biewer male and Biewer female. Will I register them? I do not know. Can anyone tell me how that will improve the quality of my babies? I would charge the same no matter the registry. They would be the same beautiful Biewers that the parents are.
I am being the devil's advocate here in this post..But, these are questions I have been asked and issues I have to consider..I will never show due to my physical disabilities. Does that mean my dogs are of lesser quality? Or simply that I have a bum back and some days cannot get out of my own way?

[YorkieRini]

Thank you Rini..I should have called upon you in the first place..You are the Parti girl..rofll!

[YorkieRini]

You so explained the Parti thing in detail. Thank you for that!

I think you sure as heck should register your Biewer pups from Biewer parents so as you have a paper trail and those that buy from you can. I can't believe what's out there these days being passed off as a Biewer..sometimes fooling me..but come to find out there aremixed with a Westie or something..w/out papers how would someone know the difference right?
Something to think about. As for showing..I am not one of those that think if you breed you HAVE to show. I think ti's a great way to judge your breeding program. But mercy! Don't 'kill' yourself doing it.

Again, I say register those True Biewer pups! Points of differentiation from the not so honest people out there!

Irene

Take care of that back ya hear!!

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

To clarify...the acceptance of the AKC to accept my Biewers as Tri Yorkies...is highly unlikely...

Got it. Your Biewers are registered through the German registry that isn't partnered with the AKC here?

So, if someone says they have an AKC registered Biewer they are incorrect? What they REALLY have is an AKC tri colored Yorkshire terrier? And the tri colored Yorkshire Terrier is not accepted as meeting the Yorkshire terrier standard. AND the tri colored Yorkie can't change it's mind and become a Biewer if/when AKC ever accepts it as a new breed?

I am exhausted. Your dogs are adorable. I just don't like the rare pricetags that come with the unknown? And I repeat, this is going to lead to some real scary breeding practices. (I read somewhere that there are people mixing s**tzu (sp) with Yorkies and calling them Biewers. who knows what is next since it isn't monitored here?)

Best wishes. Going to hug my boring standard Yorkie

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

Got it. Your Biewers are registered through the German registry that isn't partnered with the AKC here?

So, if someone says they have an AKC registered Biewer they are incorrect? What they REALLY have is an AKC tri colored Yorkshire terrier? And the tri colored Yorkshire Terrier is not accepted as meeting the Yorkshire terrier standard. AND the tri colored Yorkie can't change it's mind and become a Biewer if/when AKC ever accepts it as a new breed?

I am exhausted. Your dogs are adorable. I just don't like the rare pricetags that come with the unknown? And I repeat, this is going to lead to some real scary breeding practices. (I read somewhere that there are people mixing s**tzu (sp) with Yorkies and calling them Biewers. who knows what is next since it isn't monitored here?)

Best wishes. Going to hug my boring standard Yorkie

EXACTLY!!!...Whew..maybe admin should make this one stickey..lolol. Don't know if we can do this again..lolol

Sue is working on getting a YTCA equivilent (I think) for the Biewers her in the US.

Thanks for the compliments and I'm glad we were able to have a discussion not an argument.

Oh and to say they have a AKC reg Biewer is INCORRECT...There are none. IMO..Rini has Tris she may have a different take..I only speak of myself..I've been told some Tris can look like Biewers but the paper trails lead in different directions.

I am kinda bad, I see ads on puppyfind that say Tri colored Yorkies from Germany..I am alwasy correcting the ignorant..I feel that misleads those that don't have these conversations. I have also emaile those taht say AKC reg Biewer..lolol. Pet Peeves!!

[feminvstr]

http://www.domesticsale.com/Classifieds/41665.html

[yorkiegal719]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Yes, I agree as well. Puppymillers get ahold of anything that their is a demand for and they will run with it... Unfortuntely this is happening in Germany already... so when importing you have to be extremely careful what breeder you are purchasing from.

We have started collecting information to start a reputable club here in America to protect this breed... We are now trying to get a hold of the founder's wife (Getrude Biewer) to complete our research on what was meant for this breed. We have based everything on the Reputable German Clubs already established in Germany. Just want confirmation from one of the founders before we put everything in print... Our goal is January 31st. to have the site up and running and excepting Members.

Sue, can I join? LOL!
This is a topic that's going to be around for a long time until we get some true guidelines here in the states. Asking an enormous amount for the Biewer is just going to hurt the breed in the long run. Breeders who don't care a fig about the breed, just their popularity, will bring the breed to a halt by not staying true to the wishes of Mr. Biewer. (All breeders here are not included). Although there are dogs that do look like Biewers, be careful as to their heritage. If you are wanting to purchase a puppy, whether from a broker here in the states or directly from Germany, please ask to see a copy of there pedigree, which they have to have. If they can't produce one then please pass, good breeders always know where their dogs come out of.
Rini, I agree with Irene, I think that you should register you upcoming litter just for this fact. It's not going to make the puppies worth more money, it's just that I think prospective buyers have a right to know what lines are behind the dogs they are buying. Even though they shouldn't be sold for breeding unless you know the buyers very well. It's not a large amount to register them, but it puts a legitamicy(?) on the breed. We have to have paper trails if we are to see these wonderful dogs find a place here in the states, whether it's with UKC or AKC...

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

http://www.domesticsale.com/Classifieds/41665.html

[yorkiegal719]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

http://www.domesticsale.com/Classifieds/41665.html

This is what I was talking about $$$, no mention about breeding rights. Could you imagine what will happen to this little darling as a puppymill will get a hold of her? I truely hope that this person will want better for her...

[feminvstr]

here is the link to the $$$$$
sorry I posted the ad page not the listing
http://www.domesticsale.com/Classifi...ivestock/Dogs/

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by yorkiegal719

Sue, can I join? LOL!
This is a topic that's going to be around for a long time until we get some true guidelines here in the states. Asking an enormous amount for the Biewer is just going to hurt the breed in the long run. Breeders who don't care a fig about the breed, just their popularity, will bring the breed to a halt by not staying true to the wishes of Mr. Biewer. (All breeders here are not included). Although there are dogs that do look like Biewers, be careful as to their heritage. If you are wanting to purchase a puppy, whether from a broker here in the states or directly from Germany, please ask to see a copy of there pedigree, which they have to have. If they can't produce one then please pass, good breeders always know where their dogs come out of.
Rini, I agree with Irene, I think that you should register you upcoming litter just for this fact. It's not going to make the puppies worth more money, it's just that I think prospective buyers have a right to know what lines are behind the dogs they are buying. Even though they shouldn't be sold for breeding unless you know the buyers very well. It's not a large amount to register them, but it puts a legitamicy(?) on the breed. We have to have paper trails if we are to see these wonderful dogs find a place here in the states, whether it's with UKC or AKC...

Actually you will be able to join ( I know your Biewer and it comes from a creditable registry)... But as we finish all the lose ends on forming the club we all need to come together and agree how we want this breed to be represented. Setting the right foundation now will mean success later... But we need a GOOD REPUTABLE CLUB in America, as there isn't any at this point the represents this breed properly.

This club will follow suit to the two Clubs in Germany and what they are following for the Biewer Breed. The International (IBC) and German Biewer Yorkshire Terrier Clubs. These two Clubs are using the same standards so that must account for something. As I stated before we are trying to contact Mrs. Biewer and see if she will give us some additional information to follow.

Please feel free to contact me regarding this club as there will be positions on the board that will need to be filled as well. These people are going to have to have the time to devote to this Club and have the passion in promoting the breed... This club will not be based on personal opinions but on what is documented proof. We will be following the guidelines of forming a club through AKC's direction of forming a club.

Someday the Biewer breed will be excepted in AKC and since each breed standard is set by the Clubs representing them we want this CLUB to be the ones to set the standard...(following Mr. Biewer) So we can stay true to the breed. If us reputable breeders don't do this we will have others to follow that MAY NOT be as knowledgeable of the breed, then what... The time is now... Even if it takes 10 years for AKC to reconize them.

Though meeting and showing with the IABCA the AKC judges are asking us to petition for the Biewer Breed, they would like to see them with AKC show ring in the toy group. But first things first a GOOD CLUB!!!

[amyann]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

They are only a yorkie from their heritage. Since a standard has been set for them, they are now considered a Breed of their own... So I guess you can say they are a type or breed of yorkshire (hope this makes sense) as Yorkshire remains in their registered name and published on the standard that was set for them from the founder Mr Biewer, himself. I have attached a quick reference of the standard set for this Biewer Breed.

Thank you I think Homer is a beaut... I will keep all his accomplishments on my website. (which needs my attention desperately...lol) He has been such a natural for the show ring and feel very blessed to have him as a addition to my breeding program.

Yes, it does make sense. They are cousins - not Yorkie but share the same heritage. It's a new breed in the making. I was just confused by the ad. This may sound a little stupid but how do you pronounce "Biewer"? I just want to be able to say it correctly.

I had just finished reading all the replies. Wow! It is really fascinating. Thanks for all the information. I never realize how difficult it is to develop a new breed and/or just getting people to recognize it. Sometime it’s even hard to get people to show some support. I am grateful for anyone who is trying to introduce Biewer. Not everybody would agree on this and I realize that. Every single breed has to start somewhere and it is hard work. I do think people should be given the chance to learn about them as they seem so sweet and adorable. I love Yorkies. How can I not fall for their cousins as their little faces remind me so much of my little baby girl? To me, it was a good thing that I saw the ad and brought it up. I have learned a lot here, thanks to everybody. IT would be heartbreaking if any puppy mill gets their eyes on Biewer.

Sue (is it?), I checked out additional pictures of Homer that you had posted. He is just a handsome boy. Sure looks like a winner to me. Anyway, I would really like to get on your website. Could you give me the address? Maybe one day I would get to meet one in person. Thanks again.

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by amyann

Yes, it does make sense. They are cousins - not Yorkie but share the same heritage. It's a new breed in the making. I was just confused by the ad. This may sound a little stupid but how do you pronounce "Biewer"? I just want to be able to say it correctly.

I had just finished reading all the replies. Wow! It is really fascinating. Thanks for all the information. I never realize how difficult it is to develop a new breed and/or just getting people to recognize it. Sometime it’s even hard to get people to show some support. I am grateful for anyone who is trying to introduce Biewer. Not everybody would agree on this and I realize that. Every single breed has to start somewhere and it is hard work. I do think people should be given the chance to learn about them as they seem so sweet and adorable. I love Yorkies. How can I not fall for their cousins as their little faces remind me so much of my little baby girl? To me, it was a good thing that I saw the ad and brought it up. I have learned a lot here, thanks to everybody. IT would be heartbreaking if any puppy mill gets their eyes on Biewer.

Sue (is it?), I checked out additional pictures of Homer that you had posted. He is just a handsome boy. Sure looks like a winner to me. Anyway, I would really like to get on your website. Could you give me the address? Maybe one day I would get to meet one in person. Thanks again.

It is Sue, yes. You are right it is a lot of work, but these beauties will be worth the work...lol. That is a great way of putting the reference as cousins.

As far as puppy mills if most of us breeders stick together and keep our prices reachable we can hopefully keep many from purchasing through a puppy mill. We will keep our fingers crossed. But if we follow suit to this ad we are asking for it.. That ad is not a honest ad in the first place. I know mine are WRV registered and not reconized with AKC. It is correct about being one of the oldest registries used for Biewers.

You can just click on my signature Magnolia's Magnificent Yorkshires to go to my site. Please bare with me on the site I have a lot of work on it to do and I just have to find the time. Two of my Biewer females aren't even on there and two of my regular yorkies have yet to be added... Angel shouldn't really be on the Biewer girls but on as a Yorkshire as that is how she is registered. All her siblings were Biewers she took the genetics of a yorkshire. She was imported from Germany and since she comes from the Biewer line will be able to be breed to a Biewer male to throw Biewers. I guess that is why I had a brain fart and put her in the wrong department...lol.

You pronounce Biewer like the animal Beaver. The W is a V in the German language.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Actually you will be able to join ( I know your Biewer and it comes from a creditable registry)... But as we finish all the lose ends on forming the club we all need to come together and agree how we want this breed to be represented. Setting the right foundation now will mean success later... But we need a GOOD REPUTABLE CLUB in America, as there isn't any at this point the represents this breed properly.

This club will follow suit to the two Clubs in Germany and what they are following for the Biewer Breed. The International (IBC) and German Biewer Yorkshire Terrier Clubs. These two Clubs are using the same standards so that must account for something. As I stated before we are trying to contact Mrs. Biewer and see if she will give us some additional information to follow.

Please feel free to contact me regarding this club as there will be positions on the board that will need to be filled as well. These people are going to have to have the time to devote to this Club and have the passion in promoting the breed... This club will not be based on personal opinions but on what is documented proof. We will be following the guidelines of forming a club through AKC's direction of forming a club.

Someday the Biewer breed will be excepted in AKC and since each breed standard is set by the Clubs representing them we want this CLUB to be the ones to set the standard...(following Mr. Biewer) So we can stay true to the breed. If us reputable breeders don't do this we will have others to follow that MAY NOT be as knowledgeable of the breed, then what... The time is now... Even if it takes 10 years for AKC to reconize them.

Though meeting and showing with the IABCA the AKC judges are asking us to petition for the Biewer Breed, they would like to see them with AKC show ring in the toy group. But first things first a GOOD CLUB!!!

I have my doubts, but do hope that AKC recognizes them!! However long it takes! I'm gonna be on the petition bandwagon..lololol

Irene