Confused - some very rare Yorkie??

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

So, if we follow this is it okay if someone takes the parti-color and does the same thing? Will it be a Yorkie or a new breed? I understand what Biewer did but it seems like what he did is specifically against the Yorkie standard? I guess that is okay if you are creating a new breed?

If Parti- color breeders what to take the effort to set a standard for them and to petition AKC to except them as their own breed I suppose they could, correct... Not sure with breeding parties if they can get a specific coloring for all it's off spring yet, as with the Biewers this has been acheived... don't know I personally haven't followed the Parties close enough to know. This takes a lot of work and it would be up to the Parti-breeder to want to do this. They may have a stumbling block as they have already registered them under yorkies with AKC... so that would have to be a total 180 to try and back out of...

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Speaking of faults. I have talk to some Chinese Crested breeders, I happen to meet on at my handling class. CC have 3 versions. The hairless, the hairy hairless and the poweder puff. Now, neither version has a 'standard' so you can compare them to the tri color Yorkie that is AKC registered. You can show both Powder Puff and Hairless. Would you believe that a Hairless missing teeth is NOT a fault because the CC club has accepted the recessive gene that goes along with being a Hairless?..I found that rather odd..because Yorkies need all toofers

IF the CC club didn't recognize the HL because of the recessive gene. The HL could be spun off of a breed of it's own in hopes of being accepted (just like Biewers). IF someone wanted to do so.

If Germany's club accepted the Tri Colored Yorkie. There would be no need to create a different breed.

I though'd I'd share that with you all in regards to acceptance and non-acceptance of recessive genes.
Thought it was interesting.

The founding clubs are the ones that get to set the standards right? I think the CC does have standards and they are a little different for both hairless and powderpuff. The club decided to find certain things acceptable within the breed. Dachshunds are another good example...three different standards related to their fur.

There are probably many others. My point is the Yorkie standards are what they are and the Biewer was created against a standard that was already set. If it changes (when hell freezes over right ) that is fine. Just find the whole rare, expensive, unique business a little troubling/confusing. sounds like i am not the only one.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

If Parti- color breeders what to take the effort to set a standard for them and to petition AKC to except them as their own breed I suppose they could, correct... Not sure with breeding parties if they can get a specific coloring for all it's off spring yet, as with the Biewers this has been acheived... don't know I personally haven't followed the Parties close enough to know. This takes a lot of work and it would be up to the Parti-breeder to want to do this. They may have a stumbling block as they have already registered them under yorkies with AKC... so that would have to be a total 180 to try and back out of...

I get what you are saying. And don't get me wrong, I think your dogs are gorgeous. I hope someday they have a place for them with the AKC before too many puppymills get wind of this. Best wishes.

[ladyt]

They are really beautiful dogs! I love the different colors. If I could afford one I would get one. I can't afford a $2500 dog let alone a $8.000 one.

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

I also think Homer is darling. Nice tight earset. He looks so much like my Lucia. Except she has a bit of white on her face and her hair is longer cuz she's older I think.

You guys think so?

Actually, Irene Homer has a brown head with introduction of very little black and white as our Lucia. He has the tri color that is needed in good symmetry pattern that is needed for the standard. Lucia is a very pretty Biewer though and has beautiful coloring with good symmetry as well

How old is your Lucia?? Homer is 10 months old DOB 2/26/05.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

The founding clubs are the ones that get to set the standards right? I think the CC does have standards and they are a little different for both hairless and powderpuff. The club decided to find certain things acceptable within the breed. Dachshunds are another good example...three different standards related to their fur.

There are probably many others. My point is the Yorkie standards are what they are and the Biewer was created against a standard that was already set. If it changes (when hell freezes over right ) that is fine. Just find the whole rare, expensive, unique business a little troubling/confusing. sounds like i am not the only one.

Playing 'Devil's Advocate' How did a Yorkie start?..Mixing several breeds against standards. I can just heard the debates and controversy now!
I am sure the Biewer breed may not be embraced by all .
Being as the Biewer hasn't been quite perfected yet. Some lines still need fine tuning to reach the Biewer standard. I knew going into the breed there'd be controversy, all I can do is educate, educate, and educate. I am always going back to my mentor in Germany to make sure I am on the right track. I have a vision of where'd I'd like to see them someday. At this point, I think the AKC is not an option. Maybe UKC may be the place to start with them. I happen to meet some of the chair persons of the UKC. I am gonna talk extensively to them about how we can get the Biewer accepted. Reading their website, if we breed carefully and responsibly and have a paper trail, they may hear us out!

Anyway, I know it's a hard pill to swallow for some, as I am sure the creating of the Yorkshire Terrier was. But look where the Yorkie is today!

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I get what you are saying. And don't get me wrong, I think your dogs are gorgeous. I hope someday they have a place for them with the AKC before too many puppymills get wind of this. Best wishes.

Yes, I agree as well. Puppymillers get ahold of anything that their is a demand for and they will run with it... Unfortuntely this is happening in Germany already... so when importing you have to be extremely careful what breeder you are purchasing from.

We have started collecting information to start a reputable club here in America to protect this breed... We are now trying to get a hold of the founder's wife (Getrude Biewer) to complete our research on what was meant for this breed. We have based everything on the Reputable German Clubs already established in Germany. Just want confirmation from one of the founders before we put everything in print... Our goal is January 31st. to have the site up and running and excepting Members.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Actually, Irene Homer has a brown head with introduction of very little black and white as our Lucia. He has the tri color that is needed in good symmetry pattern that is needed for the standard. Lucia is a very pretty Biewer though and has beautiful coloring with good symmetry as well

How old is your Lucia?? Homer is 10 months old DOB 2/26/05.

From the pic looks like he has some black streaks..when he was born did he have white on his face? My Lucia did and it appeard to be more symetrical, but as that hair grows the dark sometimes covers the white.

You have a Lucia too?
Mine is also 10 months, her DOB is 2/11/05.
She's just at 5 pounds. So I'm happy about that.

Proud as peacocks aren't we

[Tiggerwit]

Originally Posted by amyann

Here is an ad in our local newspaper:
"Yorkie, very rare. German Biewer, tri color, 2 tiny,
2.5 lbs, Fem. $7500. (425)941-2706"

First of all, I am NOT looking to get another puppy. This ad just bug me. I looked at the picture mainly becasuse I want to see what a $7,500 puppy looks like. It is a white dog with a Yorkie's face. I mean if you only see the face, the shape and coloring looks just like a Yorkie. They called it a "rare" Yorkie and I don't know what to make of it. Any idea?

I saw this ad too. I blew it off as a typo.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Yes, I agree as well. Puppymillers get ahold of anything that their is a demand for and they will run with it... Unfortuntely this is happening in Germany already... so when importing you have to be extremely careful what breeder you are purchasing from.

We have started collecting information to start a reputable club here in America to protect this breed... We are now trying to get a hold of the founder's wife (Getrude Biewer) to complete our research on what was meant for this breed. We have based everything on the Reputable German Clubs already established in Germany. Just want confirmation from one of the founders before we put everything in print... Our goal is January 31st. to have the site up and running and excepting Members.

Wow Just around the corner!

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

From the pic looks like he has some black streaks..when he was born did he have white on his face? My Lucia did and it appeard to be more symetrical, but as that hair grows the dark sometimes covers the white.

You have a Lucia too?
Mine is also 10 months, her DOB is 2/11/05.
She's just at 5 pounds. So I'm happy about that.

Proud as peacocks aren't we

oops I meant your Lucia... sorry. Yes, he does have the black streaks as you reference. I have put his pictures from 2 weeks to 9 months I regret I can't find his newborn picutre. But you will be able to follow his coloring.

Yes, I have to agree that the length of the coats does hide what is underneath...

[tmatherly]

Sue, I just had to comment how much I enjoyed seeing those pics of Homer from 2 wks to 9 mos. What a handsome boy. The Biewers are so fascinating!

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

The founding clubs are the ones that get to set the standards right? I think the CC does have standards and they are a little different for both hairless and powderpuff. The club decided to find certain things acceptable within the breed. Dachshunds are another good example...three different standards related to their fur.

There are probably many others. My point is the Yorkie standards are what they are and the Biewer was created against a standard that was already set. If it changes (when hell freezes over right ) that is fine. Just find the whole rare, expensive, unique business a little troubling/confusing. sounds like i am not the only one.

CC fall under one standard as per the AKC..

http://www.akc.org/breeds/chinese_crested/index.cfm

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

CC fall under one standard as per the AKC..

http://www.akc.org/breeds/chinese_crested/index.cfm

well each has it's own accepted differences within the standard. Same with Dachshunds allowing for differences within their standard but very specific about what is accepted for each.

It would be the same if the Biewer "Yorkie" was accepted by the YTCA/AKC. It would have specific standards describing the color of the coat. (some say there are other differences?)

This is where the slippery sloap comes in. Yorkies or not? Until they are recognized by the AKC as a separate breed they are Yorkies? Registered Yorkies? Right?

or are all of your Biewers not registered and waiting for breed approval? and if they are registered Yorkies can you change that to a Biewer registration if/when that happens.

And last but not least if they are not Yorkies why are we discussing this on a Yorkshire Terrier board?

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

well each has it's own accepted differences within the standard. Same with Dachshunds allowing for differences within their standard but very specific about what is accepted for each.

It would be the same if the Biewer "Yorkie" was accepted by the YTCA/AKC. It would have specific standards describing the color of the coat. (some say there are other differences?)

This is where the slippery sloap comes in. Yorkies or not? Until they are recognized by the AKC as a separate breed they are Yorkies? Registered Yorkies? Right?

or are all of your Biewers not registered and waiting for breed approval? and if they are registered Yorkies can you change that to a Biewer registration if/when that happens.

And last but not least if they are not Yorkies why are we discussing this on a Yorkshire Terrier board?

I guess anything's possible. Remember the AKC does recognize the Tri Color Yorkie. If you AKC registered parents produce one it can be registered AKC, no specifications or standard about the markings or anything else.

Because the AKC's partners in Germany..The VDH being one of the does NOT recognize the Tri coloring in Yorkies We cannot tranfer ANY Yorkie b/g included to the AKC from Germany UNLESS it's registered from one of AKC's partners, ie, the VDH or FCI.

So the acceptance of the AKC will never happen..it doesn't follow the paper trail AKC requires. Make sense?

Now the AKC does registered the TRI yorkie that is produced by the AKC there is NO stardard that describes what acceptable, but you can regsiter them with the AKC.

My Biewers are all registered as a Biewer by the DHZ which is an all breed registry in Germany (not partners with AKC). The Biewer Club I belong to is the IBC (International Biewer Club) in Germany (equal to the YTCA but for Biewers). So, I have Biewers, not Yorkies.

You being sarcastic? They did stem from the Yorkies of course they are a topic on a Yorkie form. So are cats, other breeds..etc..I mentioned CC and you mentioned Doxies..lolol..