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06-18-2013, 07:40 PM | #16 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | The Biewer, named after the founder,originated in Germany in the mid 80's. Over the years they are selectively bred and a standard was set. The standard is similar to the Yorkie, but calls for specific color placement. White paws, tip of the tail, symetrical coloring on the head and face, etc and no docking of tail. It has been recognized as a separate breed by some organization and can be shown in some venues. Not in the AKC Partis are tri-colored Yorkies. They can be registered with but not shown in AKC. Can be shown in some other venues. There is no standard set for them that allows for the non-standard coloring, but typically, most Parti breeders follow the YT standard with color as the exception. Biewer info can be found here... Biewer Breed Club of America You can get more info on the Parti Yorkie here... Yorkshire Terrier - PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB
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06-18-2013, 08:12 PM | #17 |
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| actually, there is a standard written for the Parti Yorkshire Terrier.. It is what they are shown under.
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06-18-2013, 08:30 PM | #18 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | Parti's go by the Yorkshire Terrier Standard except for color.
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06-18-2013, 08:32 PM | #19 |
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| Wow from what I have seen and read the Biewers are fun loving happy balls of fluff and energy, to me that's a good thing since I would not want a stuffed animal that pees and poop. I also get the sense that the posters/owners of them feel lovingly the same way. I am assuming some on this thread of breeders of Biewers, which is so cool, I love that breed, but geeeeeze hopefully I am wrong, but it almost sounds like some posts are condescending towards new owners of that breed. Biewers are expensive pups, $1,500 to $2,000.00 for a pet quality, so I would think anyone spending that kind of money on a dog would learn everything they could about the breed. While I am sure they would not know near what a breeder would I would think they would have been educated enough by their breeder to answer a few basic questions. It would be nice of those that felt they are in the know to tell us what they know instead of pointing out how little others might know. Also for those that feel intimidated buying from show breeders I understand why you might feel like that
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06-18-2013, 09:22 PM | #20 |
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| I read these posts and second guess if my Pixi is a Biewer or a Parti colored Yorkie. The parents both were traditional Yorkies. Sighhh...It is so confusing.
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06-19-2013, 08:20 AM | #21 | |
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06-19-2013, 08:29 AM | #22 | |
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I am randomly butting in here, and I am not a genetic expert. However I am under the impression if your yorkie came from two traditional yorkies she would have to be a parti. I know any yorkie can be a parti carrier but the biewers are a separately recognized breed that's linage can be traced back to Germany. So your dog would need to have biewer parents, with german lineage. I am not sure if a biewer can have tradition coloring or not. But I think all biewers have to be showing biewer coloring. Also the parents would have long tails, and so would your yorkie because a breeder of biewers would not dock the tail.
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06-19-2013, 08:48 AM | #23 | |
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If there's a differing point of view that has not already been expressed, then why not share it? I just sense a little upset in your post. Reading the entire thread, I don't really understand why??? Best wishes, Tracey | |
06-19-2013, 09:11 AM | #24 |
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| Here is the best explanation of the difference between Biewer Terriers and Yorkshire Terriers that I can find, because at least it is documented by MARS testing documents, even if the figures are low resolution: Evaluation of DNA Changes in a New Dog Breed The conclusion is that Biewers are their own separate breed. They differ from Yorkshire Terriers in that they are homozygous recessive for a piebald gene located on chromosome 20, and a large section of chromosome 5 that seems to be closely related to the chromosome 5 of the Havanese and Maltese breeds. How that section of chromosome 5 got there is a matter of great debate, because the lines giving rise to Biewers were supposedly purebred Yorkshire Terriers based on pedigree records. But then again, pedigree records from that time period (the 1980's and before) are based on a breeder's honesty, since they preceded the era of DNA testing. MARS Labs currently distinguishes between Yorkshire Terriers and Biewer Terriers in its purebred tests, and Biewer breeders are urged to breed their Biewers ONLY with other Biewers and not with Yorkshire Terriers. I'm not as certain about DNA test results for Parti Yorkies, but I understand that at least some of them test as purebred Yorkshire Terriers, so they are distinct from Biewers, and probably arose from a spontaneous mutation of the coat color gene to piebald spotting within purebred Yorkshire Terrier lines. |
06-19-2013, 10:00 AM | #25 |
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| Here is a little technical information about the piebald spotting gene (called MITF) located on chromosome 20. Evidently, both the piebald and the Irish spotting mutations are not directly inside the MITF gene, but are located next to the MITF gene, and affect its regulation and expression. Here are links to the articles for the scientifically inclined: http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/Karlsson...%20piebald.pdf MITF and White Spotting in Dogs: A Population Study |
06-19-2013, 10:16 AM | #26 |
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| The reason why I am upset is because you all have bits and pieces of knowledge.. this controversy has gone on for years, and you are not even touching the surface!!!. I have had Biewers since 2006.. brought them over from Germany. They are NOT their own Breed.. they are yorkies.. the were born from yorkies.. if nothing was bred into them, they remain yorkies. The MARS test is not a reliable test.. the data used to determine the Biewer Terrier,( not the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier, which is the Dogs we originally brought over in the early 2000's) was questionable at best! Once you read through ALL of the posts that are here on YT.. then maybe you will get some idea of what you all are talking about!! But right now, it would take years to bring you up to speed. There just isn't enough time in the day. It isn't because I'm a breeder that I don't want to help new people.. it just makes me angry that people THINK they can just go around spouting all of this JUNK! Well.. before you've invested 8 years of your life and many MANY thousands of dollars into these YORKIES (and believe me, they are yorkies, not a separate breed my opinion of course)or at least you've read ALL there is to read about them so you can make an EDUCATED decision, and not one based on limited knowledge... then please, at least state things as your opinion, and not fact!. If you want good information, go to this website.. you will get some REAL information about Biewers and Parti's http://www.snowblueyorkies.com/
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06-19-2013, 10:24 AM | #27 | |
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If you have any evidence that Biewers are Yorkshire Terriers and not their own separate breed, then please present it. | |
06-19-2013, 10:30 AM | #28 |
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| The Parti Yorkshire Terrier is allowed to be registered with the AKC. They have been DNA'd and proved to be Yorkshire Terriers. The Parti yorkie DOES have a standard, otherwise it would not be allowed to be shown. The Parti Yorkie is not its own breed so as a true Yorkshire Terrier, it must go under the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, which does not recognize it and will not allow it to be shown in the ring. This is the same issue Mr Biewer faced when he wanted to show his Parti colored puppies. The Yorkshire Terrier club in Germany would not allow him to show them as they were "off color". So, in order to show them.. he MADE THEM THEIR OWN BREED!!! Convenient! Wish it was so easy to do. Diana
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