I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by gemy

That maybe the first honest thing I have heard from you. First you register your dogs with ACA - which would register a stone table as a purebred dog.

or a coffee table. I have a friend who did it just to say it could be done. Her coffee table is registered as a Great Dane. ACA will register ANYTHING with no proof
You sell to an unknown purchaser who you have obviously not developed an in depth relationship with on a what-ever basis, breed her or not, I am okay with any decision you make.

No reputable breeder will sell on this basis, or register their dogs with ACA.

NONE

If you think that dog looks anything like a purebred YOrkie, please educate yourself and see some photos here, of my dog, YorkieMOm1's dogs, Amazing Yorkie, Maximo (who has pet Yorkies bred by a good breeder), Brooklyn, and so on and so on. There are many more but my brain is not bringing up the names right now.

You two can sort out your differences in court. But I will lay a bet that that dog is NOT 100% Yorkie. Care to put 1500 dollars where your mouth is?

Shame on any GReeder, I mean breeder who uses ACA and claims its reputable.

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Teresiana

Well, apparently this is the root of the issue. It seems that Minnie's mommy wasn't the only one duped. Looks like Minnie's breeder unknowlingly bred a mix & sold the litter as full bred Yorkies.

Unknowingly???? How do you unknowingly breed your yorkie to another breed and then accidentally fill out papers saying they're full blood yorkies?

Not possible.

[Verbena]

I know my breeder had my phone number address and email. It was on the contract. I also know exactly where the parents are from. I have his pedigree.

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Verbena

I know my breeder had my phone number address and email. It was on the contract. I also know exactly where the parents are from. I have his pedigree.

Maybe there was no contract. Probably no health guarantee, and definitely no testing for the obvious things like luxating patella, etc.

This woman didn't even know if her dog could be pregnant after 2 ties (its possible with just one) and doesn't know if her dogs are purebred, yet chose to allow them to breed anyway. I doubt all her "paperwork" is in place, because she was merely in this for the $$$$$.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

You can't tell people what they can and can not post.

Agreed. I think that Cristina (Minnie's breeder) would find a more sympathetic ear if she started a new thread devoted to helping her find out if she was ripped off by the people who provided her with breeding stock. It's becoming clear that she is not going to post the photos of Minnie's parents in this thread (not that that would clear up anything, anyways, since there is no proof that those were the parents). I'm glad that Cristina is getting Minnie's reported parents DNA tested, but that's not going to prove anything as far as Minnie is concerned.

[McheleM]

Just because the breeder has DNA testing done, doesn't prove she didn't know her dogs were mixed breeds (if that's how it comes out). She could have knowingly purchased mixed breed dogs with falsified papers with the intent of breeding them and further duping unsuspecting buyers. Of course, now that she's caught, shes going to cry foul to try and make herself look better.

It's obvious no research was done, as she purchased dogs that were registered ACA, she bred them, not knowing what she was doing, and then sold the pups at an early age with a bogus registry. Even if whoever sold her the dogs was not honest with her, the responsibility still lies with her. She chose to breed those dogs, without knowledge and research. She just accepted someone's word and didn't verify facts. She is just as guilty as her supposed breeder.

[pstinard]

With a little creative googling, and use of google's "cache" feature, you can find some interesting ebay ads for unborn Yorkshire Terrier puppies in Harrisburg, PA. The ads were subsequently taken down, but you can view them using google's "cache." I'm just throwing that out there for our resident detectives...

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by McheleM

Maybe there was no contract. Probably no health guarantee, and definitely no testing for the obvious things like luxating patella, etc.

This woman didn't even know if her dog could be pregnant after 2 ties (its possible with just one) and doesn't know if her dogs are purebred, yet chose to allow them to breed anyway. I doubt all her "paperwork" is in place, because she was merely in this for the $$$$$.

In a nutshell....this

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by baboon28

But look I'm done with this stupid s**t okay I am doing what I need to do for my sake I pai for a purebred and I'm making sure I got a purebred also do I don't want to hear from anyone but Jennifer when she calls me trust me if I had her number she would of been called along time ago.

So you don't keep information on the people who have adopted your pups in some kind of file?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by baboon28

But look I'm done with this stupid s**t okay I am doing what I need to do for my sake I pai for a purebred and I'm making sure I got a purebred also do I don't want to hear from anyone but Jennifer when she calls me trust me if I had her number she would of been called along time ago.

Please say a round here a learn how to be a good breeder.

[Yorkiemommy1984]

Once again I'm doing alot of thinking about all this. Does anyone know with demodex the loopholes with breeding. I know it's from the mom and they say ur not supposed to breed them if a dog has it. So I am wondering if its just a suggestion not to do it or if its more legal. Cuz since Minnie has it how come I wasn't informed from the breeder? Is that normal?? And another subject regarding her looks. The breeder can question her dogs but it doesn't matter Minnie looks nothing like them so what's being covered up under the rug right?? I questioned her when Minnie was 13 weeks old and sent her pics and she kept telling me Minnie will get her fluff come on. Unless you knew ur dog had the same thing with being a late bloomer she knew then Minnie looked nothing like her dogs and made me feel extremely guilty for even questioning it. Also Minnie has a brother and I asked her several times during the 8 weeks and even after that to see if I can get some kind of contact info cuz I would have loved to keep on touch with him. Abd she kept changing the subject then the last time I asked her she said they were an older couple and didnt know if they would b comfortable with that. So y couldn't she ask them and y never get back to me if she did . Sounds a lil fishy to me. No matter what the truth is with her regarding all this I'm thankful Minnie's part of our family where she is loved and always will be for eternity. My husband who doesn't even like lil dogs fell in love with her on the way home. Minnie's love is contagious. Everyone she comes in contact with falls on love w her. she's so special and amazing. A true blessing to all of us. Thanks again everyone for all of ur support thru all this. U all have no idea what it really means to me

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

Once again I'm doing alot of thinking about all this. Does anyone know with demodex the loopholes with breeding. I know it's from the mom and they say ur not supposed to breed them if a dog has it. So I am wondering if its just a suggestion not to do it or if its more legal. Cuz since Minnie has it how come I wasn't informed from the breeder? Is that normal?? And another subject regarding her looks. The breeder can question her dogs but it doesn't matter Minnie looks nothing like them so what's being covered up under the rug right?? I questioned her when Minnie was 13 weeks old and sent her pics and she kept telling me Minnie will get her fluff come on. Unless you knew ur dog had the same thing with being a late bloomer she knew then Minnie looked nothing like her dogs and made me feel extremely guilty for even questioning it. Also Minnie has a brother and I asked her several times during the 8 weeks and even after that to see if I can get some kind of contact info cuz I would have loved to keep on touch with him. Abd she kept changing the subject then the last time I asked her she said they were an older couple and didnt know if they would b comfortable with that. So y couldn't she ask them and y never get back to me if she did . Sounds a lil fishy to me. No matter what the truth is with her regarding all this I'm thankful Minnie's part of our family where she is loved and always will be for eternity. My husband who doesn't even like lil dogs fell in love with her on the way home. Minnie's love is contagious. Everyone she comes in contact with falls on love w her. she's so special and amazing. A true blessing to all of us. Thanks again everyone for all of ur support thru all this. U all have no idea what it really means to me

Hi, here's a good article on demodex: Demodectic Mange in Dogs | petMD

What I get from the article is that all dogs have a few demodex mites on them, but have natural immunity. The problems comes when a dog is not immune to the mites, and it is the lack of immunity that can be passed on to the puppies. So it sounds like Minnie may have inherited the genetic defect that takes away resistance to the mite infection. The article says that you are not supposed to breed dogs that aren't resistant to the mites, but I don't think there is a legal obligation not to do so. However, that might be covered by a health guarantee that includes genetic defects...

[gemy]

Originally Posted by McheleM

Just because the breeder has DNA testing done, doesn't prove she didn't know her dogs were mixed breeds (if that's how it comes out). She could have knowingly purchased mixed breed dogs with falsified papers with the intent of breeding them and further duping unsuspecting buyers. Of course, now that she's caught, shes going to cry foul to try and make herself look better.

It's obvious no research was done, as she purchased dogs that were registered ACA, she bred them, not knowing what she was doing, and then sold the pups at an early age with a bogus registry. Even if whoever sold her the dogs was not honest with her, the responsibility still lies with her. She chose to breed those dogs, without knowledge and research. She just accepted someone's word and didn't verify facts. She is just as guilty as her supposed breeder.

And for that reason it is her responsibility to make reparation vs a vs Minnie

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Hi, here's a good article on demodex: Demodectic Mange in Dogs | petMD

What I get from the article is that all dogs have a few demodex mites on them, but have natural immunity. The problems comes when a dog is not immune to the mites, and it is the lack of immunity that can be passed on to the puppies. So it sounds like Minnie may have inherited the genetic defect that takes away resistance to the mite infection. The article says that you are not supposed to breed dogs that aren't resistant to the mites, but I don't think there is a legal obligation not to do so. However, that might be covered by a health guarantee that includes genetic defects...

It could be just a late developing immune system, not necessarily a genetically "impaired" immune system. There is nothing legally wrong about breeding a dog affected with demodex. The breeding female could have the disease and may or may not pass it on to the babies...if the puppies have a strong immune system, they will not be affected with the mite. There may only be one pup in a litter that is affected, and when it matures and the immune system matures, there will be no problem. So she will need to approach this issue with Minnie from an entirely different angle...forget the demodex...it is too random. I have a cousin that b ought a Chi from a pet store, she bought her to breed. The female had demodex that broke out when the female became pregnant...it never showed up in any of her puppies and she continued to breed that female for the next 6 years...the babies were healthy and beautiful babies, they had no issues with the demodex....not something I encouraged her to do, but she doesnt listen to anyone, least of all, me!

[baboon28]

Look my dogs do not have demodex so get ur story straight please, my breeder is involved with this now so from here on out keep me out of this convo untill the results come back!!! If Jennifer wants to call me and speak to me she has my number and info. I'm patiently waiting to hear the results!!!!! LEAVE ME BE!!!!!!!