I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[gemy]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I don't recall Minnie having any health problems other than demodex. Is this referring to something from another thread, or did I miss something?

You are correct I got three different threads mixed up in my mind. Thanks for the catch.

Although I do believe in the BATs test. I believe current protocol is 16 wks and repeat at 6mths. Not an expensive blood test.

[Anny Mendoza]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Hmmm, could you explain what thread your referring to?

The thread were the OP got mad because her sister was having sex and the pup was in the room watching

[Anny Mendoza]

This one
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by gemy

You are correct I got three different threads mixed up in my mind. Thanks for the catch.

Although I do believe in the BATs test. I believe current protocol is 16 wks and repeat at 6mths. Not an expensive blood test.

Oh, I see! Do you recommend a BAT test even if a Yorkie is showing no symptoms, as a means of catching potential liver problems we don't see yet? (Note to self: I will not hijack this thread, I will not hijack this thread... ) Okay, I feel better now. So you're recommending that Minnie get a BAT test at 16 weeks and at 6 months?

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by Teresiana

To the breeders following this thread...It's my understanding that if a puppy is mixed with another breed somewhere down the line (not necessarily just the mother and/or father), that there's a chance that the puppy could take on characteristics of the other breed. For example...if Minnie's grandfather is Min Pin, Minnie could have taken on traits from her grandfather. Because Minnie looks so far from the Yorkie standard, doesn't necessarily mean that her father is not a Yorkie. It might not be common, but maybe her grandfather just has really strong genes? Is that correct? Or am I totally off here? Sorry of it's a dumb question, but I'm just curious because the breeder says she bred 2 Yorkies. Minnie obviously does not look like the offspring of 2 pure bred Yorkies. Maybe Minnie got her traits from another relative? Hence, the bewilderment of the breeder. Obviously, there was no testing/pedigree research done. So the breeder was probably surprised by Minnie's physical characteristics. I'm curious what the brother, Mickey, looks like.

It would be very unlikely that the female would produce a pup that had the genes of an out cross from several generations back if the dogs had been producing standard Yorkies right along. Of course if there were an out cross to another breed it is highly unlikely that the offspring would produce standard looking Yorkies to begin with. The fact is if this breeder is an "experienced" Yorkie breeder then she knew that little Minnie was not a full Yorkie when she was still very young. Her color may be the same but the rest of her is far from Yorkie. The breeder had to see the differences and should never have sold her as a purebred Yorkie. Even if she really does not understand what happened (which I sincerely doubt) she should have told the new owner that there was a problem with the way the pup was developing and that there was a possibility that the pup would not look like a pure bred Yorkie. Maybe this is not the first time this has happened in her breeding program and has gotten away with treating people this way in the past. A breeder can write whatever they want on a "family tree" unlike an AKC official pedigree.

[dawn27]

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

I remember that thread. The OP was flipping our because her sister was having sex with her "baby" in the same room !!

[MyDearSam]

Originally Posted by Anny Mendoza

This one
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

Originally Posted by dawn27

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-my-puppy.html

I remember that thread. The OP was flipping our because her sister was having sex with her "baby" in the same room !!

That's the one! Thanks for the link, Anny and Dawn. I couldn't remember the title of the thread.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Oh, I see! Do you recommend a BAT test even if a Yorkie is showing no symptoms, as a means of catching potential liver problems we don't see yet? (Note to self: I will not hijack this thread, I will not hijack this thread... ) Okay, I feel better now. So you're recommending that Minnie get a BAT test at 16 weeks and at 6 months?

Correct and the test should be spaced well apart from any vaccinations as well. At least 2wks maybe 4wks. And with females not near heats as well.

Yes often times mild MVD is symptom free when they are young, but symptoms might begin at 5yrs old or more, or if another disease process rears its' head and or as a result of accident or injury.

Each testing laboratory might have a slightly different normal range.

It is a prebreeding test that is recommended by the YTCA to be done prior to breeding.... How-ever should be done on puppies as well.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by gracielove

A breeder can write whatever they want on a "family tree" unlike an AKC official pedigree.

Not to mention simple human error. Was it the great Holmes that said'
the simplest explanation is usually the correct one?

For me the simplest explanation is that the mother got mated by another breed -

Which is another very good reason to only breed one breed of dog

Not to mention keeping up with one breed and all their concerns I find immense enough, two is about all I personally could go.

And even the AKC can get hoodwinked, and I won't go into some ways of how I've heard this is done. We have had more than one thread asking right out how to doctor the paperwork Some things just shouldn't be posted on line

[Teresiana]

Originally Posted by gracielove

It would be very unlikely that the female would produce a pup that had the genes of an out cross from several generations back if the dogs had been producing standard Yorkies right along. Of course if there were an out cross to another breed it is highly unlikely that the offspring would produce standard looking Yorkies to begin with. The fact is if this breeder is an "experienced" Yorkie breeder then she knew that little Minnie was not a full Yorkie when she was still very young. Her color may be the same but the rest of her is far from Yorkie. The breeder had to see the differences and should never have sold her as a purebred Yorkie. Even if she really does not understand what happened (which I sincerely doubt) she should have told the new owner that there was a problem with the way the pup was developing and that there was a possibility that the pup would not look like a pure bred Yorkie. Maybe this is not the first time this has happened in her breeding program and has gotten away with treating people this way in the past. A breeder can write whatever they want on a "family tree" unlike an AKC official pedigree.

Thank you for clearing that up. I just wasn't sure if some type of physical appearance trait could pop out of nowhere. I guess not. I honestly don't think that this breeder is "experienced". Considering her blog & all of her previous posts, I tend to believe that she's so inexperienced that she just doesn't know any better.

To the OP, YorkieMommy1984, unfortunately, the "family tree" that you have really means nothing. Anyone can create a family tree in Microsoft Word. Gracielove is correct...the AKC issues certified pedigrees to their registered dogs. In the dog world, this is the only "family tree" that matters. Cristina's dogs are registered with the ACA. Although that may sound nice & official, it's not a reputable registry.

I suppose the only reasonable explanations would be 1). Minnie's mother tied with another dog of a different breed, or 2). the breeder is lying about Minnie's parents. I honestly can't think of any other reason Minnie's physical traits would veer so far from the Yorkie standard. Could there be another reason? If both of Minnie's parents look like Yorkies, then shouldn't Minnie look somewhat like a Yorkie?

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by Teresiana

...To the OP, YorkieMommy1984, unfortunately, the "family tree" that you have really means nothing. Anyone can create a family tree in Microsoft Word. ...

True. I have seen a 7-year pedigree given to a purchaser by the breeder...that was NOT for the dog placed with that purchaser. It was a 'mistake'...a 'mis-print' on the part of the breeder, who was highly respected and reputable, but the birth dates were 10 months apart, the AKC Registration numbers were different, and while it was for a dog of same/similar lines, and a very nice pedigree at that, it was basically useless to the purchaser since it was for a completely different dog.

[Oddsock]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

So yesterday when I saw the breeder somehow found me on here after 5 months lol. Supposivly looking to see how Minnie was doing. I had blocked her because I don't want to deal with the drama until this the results are in. I just saw today she posted a message this is what I got. What did I hobestly do?? I'm very confused. What are thoughts about this message?? Should I worry ??

Below Is the message from her....


Jen you can tell everyone what ever u want really its okay but you better have you stuff backed up cause if your results come back positive that she is a purebreed yorkie, its my turn to take action and all the negative stuff i have saved about how fake i am how i lie how i created a paper i will not let go!!!!!! And i have fake feelings really i cried more than you!!!! And harrassing me on here is against the law so keep going i have all the harrasments and mean things u have said to innocent people that dont even know me how rude of you why not come to me with this matter!!!!!!

You asked a genuine question..ie what we thought of your pup. You have a right to ask. To seek other peoples opinions.

The breeder to threaten to take away the pup if it's pure breed, shows her true colours. Why would she say 'if', as she is so sure it's 100% yorkie, she's threatening action. Why take it away, when she knows it's what you want and PAID for. ...because she's in my opinion, from what we see written by her is being cruel to you for daring to not just listen to her and shut up. How dare you ask other who may have a valid opinion.

Don't let her pull you down. You have a right to ask why your dog doesn't look like a typical Yorkie. You have the right to ask others what they think. You have the right to get YOUR dog tested.
If it isn't all Yorkie, then take her to court, - money for the DNA tests, money for lying to you and stress, money for the yorkie you should have. She's quick to come on here and post her messages to you and members, which I found insulting personally. I hope she stays and either way.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Oddsock

My feeling when the breeder left a message in mine and some other memebers boxes (I'm guess to anyone who'd posted in the thread) was one of anger. After see what she's written to you. I think you're dealing with a 3rd rate bi^ch. She appears to threaten and harass, in my opinion. You asked a genuine question..ie what we thought of your pup. You have a right to ask. To seek other peoples opinions.

The breeder to threaten to take away the pup if it's pure breed, shows her true colours. Why would she say 'if', as she is so sure it's 100% yorkie, she's threatening action. Why take it away, when she knows it's what you want and PAID for. ...because she's in my opinion, from what we see written by her is being cruel to you for daring to not just listen to her and shut up. How dare you ask other who may have a valid opinion.

Don't let her pull you down. You have a right to ask why your dog doesn't look like a typical Yorkie. You have the right to ask others what they think. You have the right to get YOUR dog tested.
If it isn't all Yorkie, then take her to court, - money for the DNA tests, money for lying to you and stress, money for the yorkie you should have. She's quick to come on here and post her messages to you and members, which I found insulting personally. I hope she stays and either way.

You usually can't get these sorts of things in small claims court, but she can get the difference between what a ACA purebred dog would cost and the cost of a mixed breed, plus the amount for the dna tests. Since this dog was registered with the ACA not the AKC you have to calculate based upon those costs.

To the OP, did you mind telling us what you paid for your pup?

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The blog was written in March of this year, it was written before the OP posted this thread.

Im still waiting to see those pics of the parents to this pup the baboon said that she would post.

[Teegy]

I thought she said earlier that she has pure bred dogs and Jennifer was a liar now she says its a shorkie. What the Hellmanns is a shorkie and a yorkchon and no respectable agency would register mixed breed dogs

I'm so confused now