Question about a Saskatchewan breeder

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by julieandrea

Lovetodream, I feel you are being a bit of a drama queen no offense. You went to my other post on this topic and had to voice your opinion there as well? I don't know if this is so much about voicing an opinion or bullying at this point. How do you know her girls are under 5 lbs? Please stop being so forceful with your opinion when it really wasn't asked for in the beginning.

And I feel you don't care wither your getting a pup from a good breeder or not. Other people beside you read these posts and they need to know the truth. I can not stand breeders who care nothing about this breed. You can mistake my passion for yorkies for whatever you want and if you don't like my opinion then you don't have to read it but this is a public forum so you may get posts you don't like. Name calling is against the rules.

[julieandrea]

Oh sorry, I must have gotten frazzled. Well thank you for your opinion. You are doing a great service to all!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by julieandrea

Oh sorry, I must have gotten frazzled. Well thank you for your opinion. You are doing a great service to all!

I am sure many people have or will read this info and not buy from a certain breeder because now they know but even if they don't at least I will be able to sleep at night knowing I did my best.

[nanahas3]

From looking at her dams they cannot possibly weigh more than 3lbs. As for the dark coats I happen to own one and love her color but it is not the standard. Usually when people ask on here if we have heard of a breeder it is to get advise so sorry if you didn't mean it that way. I have a little girl who weighs 2.8lbs and she looks bigger than some of this ladies breeders and I would never think of risking her life in that way JMHO. God bless.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by julieandrea

I totally know what you guys mean! These things worry me too. The teacup part the most after reading all about it here on YT. BUT I should definitely mention that these people are 65 years old and have been doing this for a long time. There is no doubt its for profit purposes but I believe her dogs to be of good quality. I've already purchased a pup from her. The one in my avatar. On her site under the new puppies section she actually shows Grim as a baby and has my name by him! She also has a video that shows her dogs live inside and are taken care of! I'd really like to talk to someone who has went with her before though. Just to hear their experiences and see their dogs. I can't find a soul who has went with her so maybe that's a good sign. She sells a lot of puppies so you would think there would be at least one person here on YT! Like I said I don't want the breeder to read this and feel offended because she has been nothing but sweet to me but I just wanted to meet someone else and get their experiences

Just bc you've been doing something for a long time doesn't mean that it's right. There isn't any doubt that these people love their dogs, but the fact that they bred them willy nilly just shows they aren't that educated on this breed. Just loving the breed is not enough.

When we first got Uni, we had the intentions of breeding her (not a secret by now). The day after we got her, we went to a family that had yorkie puppies for sale. They were about 15 weeks old and they were pretty big already (running up and down the stairs no problem). They said they bred the dogs not for the money but bc they loved the breed. They lived in the house and were well taken care of. However, they were asking $1500 each pup. the mom was totally golden (off standard) and we couldn't meet the dad bc he bites (aggression passed on). We ended up not taking any of those, but these are the type of people who say they love the breed (and I'm sure they do) but are not doing the breed any good. People who breed for off colors, dark coats, short noses, short legs. these traits are not what is the yorkie standard, and people that look for those traits are perpetuating more bybs to produce this type of dog.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Just bc you've been doing something for a long time doesn't mean that it's right. There isn't any doubt that these people love their dogs, but the fact that they bred them willy nilly just shows they aren't that educated on this breed. Just loving the breed is not enough.

When we first got Uni, we had the intentions of breeding her (not a secret by now). The day after we got her, we went to a family that had yorkie puppies for sale. They were about 15 weeks old and they were pretty big already (running up and down the stairs no problem). They said they bred the dogs not for the money but bc they loved the breed. They lived in the house and were well taken care of. However, they were asking $1500 each pup. the mom was totally golden (off standard) and we couldn't meet the dad bc he bites (aggression passed on). We ended up not taking any of those, but these are the type of people who say they love the breed (and I'm sure they do) but are not doing the breed any good. People who breed for off colors, dark coats, short noses, short legs. these traits are not what is the yorkie standard, and people that look for those traits are perpetuating more bybs to produce this type of dog.

Just wanted to say we didn't look for a dark coat in Kyra it just so happens she has stayed dark. I do happen to love the way she looks, but then again I would love her if she were green lol.

[julieandrea]

I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that what you guys are talking about is not at all what I'm asking in this forum. I am not looking for people's opinions on someone else. I've read many people complain of this kind of behavior on YT and now I have experienced it myself what a shame I won't be back nearly as often.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by julieandrea

I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that what you guys are talking about is not at all what I'm asking in this forum. I am not looking for people's opinions on someone else. I've read many people complain of this kind of behavior on YT and now I have experienced it myself what a shame I won't be back nearly as often.

I honestly don't know what you mean by "our behavior" I was just responding to the comment you made. You said "This is where I will politely say that I disagree with you and the attitude in which you pass your judgement, and I'd also like to point out that I never asked for anyone's opinion on the breeder. I asked if someone had received a puppy from her because I wanted to meet them. I still welcomed everyone's advice because I know that people are trying to help. These puppies were NOT raised in a puppy mill, were NOT sold in a puppy store, ARE treated well, and she does very much care for her dogs. Just because I don't go with the one route you think is suitable, doesn't make me evil to animals or dogs. As I said in my previous post, if I did happen to have the chance to get another dog, I would try and get a Durrer." I got Laddy from a puppy mill (a fact I am not proud of ) so I am not saying this is one just you asked about her and we all went to her site so we stated how we felt about her breeding little ones that even by YTCA are to small to breed because it risks their health. I also had the great pleasure of adopting a little breeder who spent her life doing this and she weighed under 4lbs she sadly only made it to be 7 because her heart was worn out. I try never to offend anyone on here and I am sorry if I have you. It is just a subject that a lot of us feel very strongly about. If you want a tiny just as a pet then maybe look for the smallest of a litter and not one that was purposely bred for and put the moms life in danger to get here. Have a blessed evening.

[randi88]

by the way as you asked how anyone knew how much the female dog's weighed and if you look the breeder has it posted directly under several of the females pictures... one weighing only 2 1/2 pounds... I am sorry we all hurt your feelings but there are just a lot of people here who care about yorkies an incredible amount and want to keep people from putting them in danger. you have to understand it is all due to many many people with incredibly big hearts..... enjoy your new puppy

[julieandrea]

Originally Posted by randi88

by the way as you asked how anyone knew how much the female dog's weighed and if you look the breeder has it posted directly under several of the females pictures... one weighing only 2 1/2 pounds... I am sorry we all hurt your feelings but there are just a lot of people here who care about yorkies an incredible amount and want to keep people from putting them in danger. you have to understand it is all due to many many people with incredibly big hearts..... enjoy your new puppy

I don't for one second believe that you are sorry for hurting my feelings. If you were truly sorry you would stop commenting on something I've said I don't want commented on. This forum was a forum trying to meet another person who bought from this lady. Not to talk bad about her or how she chooses to breed her dogs. I've had people inbox me after reading this forum apolOgizing for my experiences so far. They feel bad and agree that since I had not asked the opinion of anyone that opinion should not be forced on me. People have also said they didn't want to say anything in fear of being treated like I am. Anyone with a shred of intelligence can understand that you cannot force your opinion on others. Even if you personally breed a tiny dog and it died because of it it still doesn't give you the right to repeatedly tell me that what I chose to do is wrong. If this ladies dogs were dying she wouldn't be doing what she is doing. They are all ok so I feel that my decision is my decision and I shouldn't be deterred from what I want to do! If you are so concerned about the safety of yorkies start up your own forum and discuss the matter. To come on to other peoples forums and tell them over and over again how wrong and cruel they are. You all make people feel like they can't voice their opinions or ask questions without getting their head ripped off. Not only are you repeatedly saying that the breeder is bad for what she is doing but you are insinuating that I am also bad. That shouldn't be happening in any forum where someone who is seeking another who purchased from her breeder. I think you have the "blinders" on and are blinded by your own "passion for the breed" that you forget basic manners and that opinions cannot be pushed onto others.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by julieandrea

I don't for one second believe that you are sorry for hurting my feelings. If you were truly sorry you would stop commenting on something I've said I don't want commented on. This forum was a forum trying to meet another person who bought from this lady. Not to talk bad about her or how she chooses to breed her dogs. I've had people inbox me after reading this forum apolOgizing for my experiences so far. They feel bad and agree that since I had not asked the opinion of anyone that opinion should not be forced on me. People have also said they didn't want to say anything in fear of being treated like I am. Anyone with a shred of intelligence can understand that you cannot force your opinion on others. Even if you personally breed a tiny dog and it died because of it it still doesn't give you the right to repeatedly tell me that what I chose to do is wrong. If this ladies dogs were dying she wouldn't be doing what she is doing. They are all ok so I feel that my decision is my decision and I shouldn't be deterred from what I want to do! If you are so concerned about the safety of yorkies start up your own forum and discuss the matter. To come on to other peoples forums and tell them over and over again how wrong and cruel they are. You all make people feel like they can't voice their opinions or ask questions without getting their head ripped off. Not only are you repeatedly saying that the breeder is bad for what she is doing but you are insinuating that I am also bad. That shouldn't be happening in any forum where someone who is seeking another who purchased from her breeder. I think you have the "blinders" on and are blinded by your own "passion for the breed" that you forget basic manners and that opinions cannot be pushed onto others.

This is a post board and people are going to post what they want to post and unless it goes against the rules its allowed whether its the answer you want or not. The breeder you posted about is a bad breeder and you have no idea how many dogs she as lost do to breeding the small size but honestly the fact that she is willing to put there lives at risk like that should tell you something. EVERYONE here wants what is best for this breed and I am so sorry you can not see that but this breeder is not doing what is best for the breed and we are going to inform you and whoever else reads this about it because we care deeply about this dogs and I am so very sorry you can not understand that. No one has sunk as low as you and called any one names like you did to me. No one has called you anything we just expressed how we think its not good to buy from a bad breeder and keep them in business when they are doing nothing good for the breed or the poor dogs she is putting at risk. You can also call opinions whatever you want but the FACTS here are yorkies under 5 pounds should never be breed and another FACT is she is breeding yorkies under 5 pounds.

[randi88]

Originally Posted by julieandrea

I don't for one second believe that you are sorry for hurting my feelings. If you were truly sorry you would stop commenting on something I've said I don't want commented on. This forum was a forum trying to meet another person who bought from this lady. Not to talk bad about her or how she chooses to breed her dogs. I've had people inbox me after reading this forum apolOgizing for my experiences so far. They feel bad and agree that since I had not asked the opinion of anyone that opinion should not be forced on me. People have also said they didn't want to say anything in fear of being treated like I am. Anyone with a shred of intelligence can understand that you cannot force your opinion on others. Even if you personally breed a tiny dog and it died because of it it still doesn't give you the right to repeatedly tell me that what I chose to do is wrong. If this ladies dogs were dying she wouldn't be doing what she is doing. They are all ok so I feel that my decision is my decision and I shouldn't be deterred from what I want to do! If you are so concerned about the safety of yorkies start up your own forum and discuss the matter. To come on to other peoples forums and tell them over and over again how wrong and cruel they are. You all make people feel like they can't voice their opinions or ask questions without getting their head ripped off. Not only are you repeatedly saying that the breeder is bad for what she is doing but you are insinuating that I am also bad. That shouldn't be happening in any forum where someone who is seeking another who purchased from her breeder. I think you have the "blinders" on and are blinded by your own "passion for the breed" that you forget basic manners and that opinions cannot be pushed onto others.

Um excuse me but while I agree with EVERYTHING that has been said I am not even the one who said half of what you just quoted. I was attempting to be kind and wave the white flag. Facts are facts. Whether you choose to believe them or not that is up to you. You can ask a vet if you like maybe they can let you know how many csections they see and deaths due to this. Call someone else names and be rude to someone else because in case you did not notice I NEVER DID THAT TO YOU! All I did was express an opinion on an OPEN FORUM! " If you are so concerned about the safety of yorkies start up your own forum and discuss the matter. To come on to other peoples forums and tell them over and over again how wrong and cruel they are." why would i make another forum??? this is not your forum this is an open forum so i am not coming on someone elses forum and and forcing myself. I did exibit basic manners until just now when you could not manage to find yours. Goodbye.

[nanahas3]

Ok I won't say anymore about the breeder because you have said you don't care about our opinions on her. As far as us starting our own forum where we can post about caring about the saftey of yorkies we don't have to we have found one right here on YT. If you take the time to read you will see this for yourself. I have always been one to defend new posters and like I said do not ever intentionally try to hurt anyone. But this forum really does care about the safety and well being of these little ones first and foremost. God bless.

[capt_noonie]

I don't understand why people PM people such as the OP and say how sorry they are for "our" behaviour. If they don't like YT why are they still on here?

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I don't understand why people PM people such as the OP and say how sorry they are for "our" behaviour. If they don't like YT why are they still on here?

She isn't, she is showing as No Longer A Member now.