Is breeding a 11lb male with a 4lb female a No-No??

[bondai]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

No one should breed mixed breed dogs there are many to many in shelters for that.

Don't assume you have the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their dogs. There is nothing wrong with raising a litter of puppies if it it done in a smart way.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bondai

How many people on this forum have a mixed breed dog? I think it's a great idea for some one wanting to have a litter of puppies there is no reason the dogs can't be mixed breed. There are far many more mixed breed dogs in this country than purebred ones.

I use to think the same way you do, but I've changed my mind. At one time, mixed breeds were a good idea, but now the only reason to be breeding is to improve the breed. Most of us here believe that most purebred dogs shouldn't be breed either; they have to be an excellent example of the breed in every way. So it's not like we are against mixed breeds, we are against frivolous breeding or breeding for pets only. If you take a look at the pounds and how many dogs are daily being put to death because there's no home for them, it's really heartbreaking. It's almost like people think we should breed anything and then put to death the ones no one wants. There's no shortage of dogs, so there's no reason for people to breed without a clear purpose.

Anyone is welcome at YorkieTalk, no matter what your dog's breed is or if it's mixed, we do hope to educate why it important to support great breeders for the next time you decide to buy a dog. Also, many of our members' dogs are rescues and that's why they don't always have the proper yorkie look. Furthermore, we never want to encourage pet owners to breed, it’s really much more complicated than you realize, once man domesticates an animal they have to be very involved in the breeding of the animal, and they can’t just hook up two dogs with good results. Good breeders study for years before they start breeding and have a mentor. Sorry for long post, I feel so strongly about all of these things.

[bondai]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I use to think the same way you do, but I've changed my mind. At one time, mixed breeds were a good idea, but now the only reason to be breeding is to improve the breed. Most of us here believe that most purebred dogs shouldn't be breed either; they have to be an excellent example of the breed in every way. So it's not like we are against mixed breeds, we are against frivolous breeding or breeding for pets only. If you take a look at the pounds and how many dogs are daily being put to death because there's no home for them, it's really heartbreaking. It's almost like people think we should breed anything and then put to death the ones no one wants. There's no shortage of dogs, so there's no reason for people to breed without a clear purpose.

Anyone is welcome at YorkieTalk, no matter what your dog's breed is or if it's mixed, we do hope to educate why it important to support great breeders for the next time you decide to buy a dog. Also, many of our members' dogs are rescues and that's why they don't always have the proper yorkie look. Furthermore, we never want to encourage pet owners to breed, it’s really much more complicated than you realize, once man domesticates an animal they have to be very involved in the breeding of the animal, and they can’t just hook up two dogs with good results. Good breeders study for years before they start breeding and have a mentor. Sorry for long post, I feel so strongly about all of these things.

I agree with what you say, the breeding is out of control in this country. We euthanize tens of thousand of animals each year, many of those from strays. All I am saying that if someone has the resources and a home for the puppies there would no reason for not having a litter. I certainly am not talking about going into the puppy breeding business. I know the joy of many a young persons life having a litter of puppies in the house, it was wonderful.

Moderation in all things.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by bondai

I agree with what you say, the breeding is out of control in this country. We euthanize tens of thousand of animals each year, many of those from strays. All I am saying that if someone has the resources and a home for the puppies there would no reason for not having a litter. I certainly am not talking about going into the puppy breeding business. I know the joy of many a young persons life having a litter of puppies in the house, it was wonderful.

Moderation in all things.

Thats the problem everyone thinks they have the resources to be a breeder it is easy money to some. There is simply too many dogs produced in this country mixed and also pure bred

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

while we are in the "reputable" subject, I heard of a breeder that bred two merles and got a double merle and that product won best of BREED at Wesmister this year, so it depends on every persons opinion of what reputable means to their lines... so I take "REPUTABLE" with a grain of salt lately, when it comes to dog breeding...
in order to breed small or tiny you must breed small risking the life of the dam, which in my opinion is as bad as breeding two merles..
just my humble opinion on the subject of Reputable breeders.. I rather call myself an experience HOnesT breeder..
hugs,

a brief explanation of BLue merle.. (wikipedia)
Merle is actually a heterozygote of an incompletely dominant gene.[7] If two such dogs are mated, on the average one quarter of the puppies will be "double merles", which is the common term for dogs homozygous for merle,[8] and a high percentage of these double merle puppies could have eye defects and/or be deaf. Knowledgeable breeders who want to produce merle puppies mate a merle with a non-merle dog; roughly half the puppies will be merles without the risk of vision or hearing defects associated with double merle dogs.[9]
In January 2006 scientists at Texas A&M University announced the discovery of a mobile genetic unit called a retrotransposon, responsible for the merle mutation in dogs.

I understand what you are saying. I sometimes get an unsettled feeling when we simply tell people to look for a breeder that shows Yorkies when looking for a "reputable" breeder. Since you show you know very well that there are so many different sorts of people in the business of showing and breeding purebred dogs. So many people with variable standards of what is ethical as well as so many opinions about many areas of the industry. It's so much more complicated than most people would imagine.

[bondai]

Originally Posted by chachi

Thats the problem everyone thinks they have the resources to be a breeder it is easy money to some. There is simply too many dogs produced in this country mixed and also pure bred

That would be true if I were talking a bout a large scale breeding operation. I am actually talking about a family having a litter of pups, nothing sinister going on here.

[chachi]

Yes but there are too many family small breeders breeding pups. Like there is too many OPps litters if you see there are too many dogs dying in shelters you also have to recognize there is too much breeding going on. All those families that dropped a dog at the shelter got there dog most likely from a breeder or an opps litter. Very few rescue but some do

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bondai

I agree with what you say, the breeding is out of control in this country. We euthanize tens of thousand of animals each year, many of those from strays. All I am saying that if someone has the resources and a home for the puppies there would no reason for not having a litter. I certainly am not talking about going into the puppy breeding business. I know the joy of many a young persons life having a litter of puppies in the house, it was wonderful.

Moderation in all things.

I'll have to disagree with you here, there's no reason to produce more pets, if someone knows someone who wants a pet, instead of breeding a litter, they should tell them about the many rescues in shelter and pounds across the country. I'm of course not against all breeding, but it should be done to "preserve" the breed so only those with the best attributes should be breed. I'm sure that having a litter of puppies might be a fun thing for kids, but there are so many other things you can do with kids that don't involve reckless breeding. There's a great article in the library written by one of our memebers, please check it out. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-answered.html I want to win you over, you will make such a wonderful advocate.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bondai

That would be true if I were talking a bout a large scale breeding operation. I am actually talking about a family having a litter of pups, nothing sinister going on here.

Someone gave the statistics at one time, and the number of dogs backyard breeders produce exceeds the number of dogs commercial breeders produce. There are millions of backyard breeders. The really bad thing is backyard breeders don't do health testing, at least some of the puppy mills because of lemon laws are doing health testing. It's in their best business interest to produce healthy dogs. Backyard breeders aren’t affected by lemon laws in most states, so they have little incentive to produce health dogs. Also, they tend to sell to other want-a-be breeders and they in turn breed more genetically sick dogs. Many genetic illness aren’t seen till after the second year and the byb’s have already produced a few litters.

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by bondai

How many people on this forum have a mixed breed dog? I think it's a great idea for some one wanting to have a litter of puppies there is no reason the dogs can't be mixed breed. There are far many more mixed breed dogs in this country than purebred ones.

Please take a walk through your local shelters. Most city run shelters are having to destroy hundreds of dogs a day. Across the country there are thousands upon thousands of dogs being destroyed daily. Mixed breed and pure bred dogs are all being destroyed daily because of irresponsible breeding and irresponsible owners. It may be "fun" to have some cute little puppies in the house but what about the future of each one of those puppies? Are the new owners going to be able to keep that pup when they have to move or when one of their kids get allergies, or how about when the puppy gets sick or injured? Are they going to be able to pay for hundreds and even thousands of dollars in vet bills? There are 110 different reasons why people either dump their dog at the end of some lonesome road or take them to the shelter.

As hard as many people work to rescue homeless and abused animals there are always more needing help. So many of them these days are the result of some person thinking it would be fun to make some money by mating a couple of purebred dogs, not necessarily of the same breed. Then that cute little pup that someone got for a bargain grows up to be much bigger and not as cute as they thought it would be or the pup has a genetic problem that they can't afford to treat and so it ends up in the pound. Many people have no idea how much work and time that it takes to have a well behaved dog in the home and when the dog grows up and is still peeing in the house and destroying people's property, guess what? Another homeless dog. With millions of dogs and cats being destroyed yearly and others being abused and on the streets I hope you understand why people who have taken the time to educate themselves get upset when people act so casually about having a "fun" litter of puppies. I realize that many people mean no harm but truly if people want their kids to have fun with puppies they need to take them to the pound and let them play with the little darlings that will probably never see a loving home because there just are not enough people who will care for them.
Please take the time to watch this video and perhaps some of the others that this person has done.

Fiona's amazing story - please share on Facebook...

[bondai]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'll have to disagree with you here, there's no reason to produce more pets, if someone knows someone who wants a pet, instead of breeding a litter, they should tell them about the many rescues in shelter and pounds across the country. I'm of course not against all breeding, but it should be done to "preserve" the breed so only those with the best attributes should be breed. I'm sure that having a litter of puppies might be a fun thing for kids, but there are so many other things you can do with kids that don't involve reckless breeding. There's a great article in the library written by one of our memebers, please check it out. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-answered.html I want to win you over, you will make such a wonderful advocate.

Thanks for the link I will read the article.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by bondai

Thanks for the link I will read the article.

Thank you for keeping an open mind about this.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by gracielove

Please take a walk through your local shelters. Most city run shelters are having to destroy hundreds of dogs a day. Across the country there are thousands upon thousands of dogs being destroyed daily. Mixed breed and pure bred dogs are all being destroyed daily because of irresponsible breeding and irresponsible owners. It may be "fun" to have some cute little puppies in the house but what about the future of each one of those puppies? Are the new owners going to be able to keep that pup when they have to move or when one of their kids get allergies, or how about when the puppy gets sick or injured? Are they going to be able to pay for hundreds and even thousands of dollars in vet bills? There are 110 different reasons why people either dump their dog at the end of some lonesome road or take them to the shelter.

As hard as many people work to rescue homeless and abused animals there are always more needing help. So many of them these days are the result of some person thinking it would be fun to make some money by mating a couple of purebred dogs, not necessarily of the same breed. Then that cute little pup that someone got for a bargain grows up to be much bigger and not as cute as they thought it would be or the pup has a genetic problem that they can't afford to treat and so it ends up in the pound. Many people have no idea how much work and time that it takes to have a well behaved dog in the home and when the dog grows up and is still peeing in the house and destroying people's property, guess what? Another homeless dog. With millions of dogs and cats being destroyed yearly and others being abused and on the streets I hope you understand why people who have taken the time to educate themselves get upset when people act so casually about having a "fun" litter of puppies. I realize that many people mean no harm but truly if people want their kids to have fun with puppies they need to take them to the pound and let them play with the little darlings that will probably never see a loving home because there just are not enough people who will care for them.
Please take the time to watch this video and perhaps some of the others that this person has done.
Fiona's amazing story - please share on Facebook & Twitter. Thanks! - YouTube

Oh Great!!! Now you made me cry . I am so thankful for people who do this work.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by bondai

How many people on this forum have a mixed breed dog? I think it's a great idea for some one wanting to have a litter of puppies there is no reason the dogs can't be mixed breed. There are far many more mixed breed dogs in this country than purebred ones.

And a whole lot of them are in shelters. If you want a mixed breed dog go adopt from a shelter.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

omg... that is so sad that poor baby!!!

to the op... I understand if you are not familiar with breeding and such the "thought" is there. I know you did the right thing to ask and gained a lot of great info!!

Ya it was really sad when she told me, the sad thing is her dog was older.. I wanna say 9/10 ish. She told me she saw the male hooked on her- I told her take her to the vet she is too old and too small!! She didn’t and that’s what happened. It is so important to get your dog spayed or neutered- I don’t understand why people think it is OK to breed their dogs, just for the purpose of “having puppies”. It is so sad! We have millions of unwanted animals in this world- We need to try to work on stopping the numbers from increasing

Some of the comments on here have been so ignorant~ It doesn't seem like the OP will listen, at least I hope they don't.