Why 12 Weeks?

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Exactly. It's really simple. I don't listen to clubs either. I'm much more interested in credible authorities about the health of dogs (veterinarians) and what's best for their long term happiness (trainers).

I don't listen to anyone either, I don't even care about the clubs or papers etc., however; as witnessed by you and many of us other folks here, time and time again the average owner does not have the tools to care for a 6, 7, 8, 9...week old Yorkie who is compromised and their owners are here looking for help, how many times have we seen a pup die? You, me, Taylor, Ellie Mae, Nancy and many others could handle and care for a pup that is this age, but even then if its compromised we only have a 50/50 chance of pulling it through...this is why the 12wk rule should follow, we all know a well developed 12 wk old Yorkie is a safer bet, given the totality of the circumstances.

Yes, there are always exceptions, is this school of thought suddenly so wrong on YT?

[107barney]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Have you applied to moderate all of Taylor's posts? Maybe you should. Who are you to pick and pull apart all she writes? All the time? Please stop.

Aren't you doing the same? Only Taylor is allowed to have an opinion because you happen to agree with it? Please stop is right.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Have you applied to moderate all of Taylor's posts? Maybe you should. Who are you to pick and pull apart all she writes? All the time? Please stop.

Originally Posted by lynzy420

I don't listen to anyone either, I don't even care about the clubs or papers etc., however; as witnessed by you and many of us other folks here, time and time again the average owner does not have the tools to care for a 6, 7, 8, 9...week old Yorkie who is compromised and their owners are here looking for help, how many times have we seen a pup die? You, me, Taylor, Ellie Mae, Nancy and many others could handle and care for a pup that is this age, but even then if its compromised we only have a 50/50 chance of pulling it through...this is why the 12wk rule should follow, we all know a well developed 12 wk old Yorkie is a safer bet, given the totality of the circumstances.

Yes, there are always exceptions, is this school of thought suddenly so wrong on YT?

So if I got daisy at 12 weeks I'd be better off? Lol, she's 13 and few could care for her now let alone as a puppy. Lol.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by 107barney

So if I got daisy at 12 weeks I'd be better off? Lol, she's 13 and few could care for her now let alone as a puppy. Lol.

Cathy, that's not the context I'm speaking on, total different subject area, I'm talking baby pups, you too have spent eons on here trying to help those who have brought home a compromised pup too soon and tried to help, that is the context I am speaking on.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by 107barney

So if I got daisy at 12 weeks I'd be better off? Lol, she's 13 and few could care for her now let alone as a puppy. Lol.

And I am one of the few! She is a cutie patootie and thank god she is with you!

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Have you applied to moderate all of Taylor's posts? Maybe you should. Who are you to pick and pull apart all she writes? All the time? Please stop.

wow...

[Wylie's Mom]

Can anyone tell me if the OP is still participating in this thread? If not, it may be best to close it; if there is still good discussion to be had, then we'll leave it open.

We need to stop stuff like "please stop lecturing me about lecturing you about lecturing them about lecturing". Okay? We're chasing our tails on that one.

Look, the reality is: if someone DOES want to 'lecture' someone, that's their prerogative, as long as they are within the rules -AND- as long as they know (and ACCEPT) that others may have a problem with their 'lecturing'.....and those who have a problem with the 'lecturing' can express that fact -again- as long as it's within YT rules.

It really doesn't matter if it's an opinion, lecture, suggestion, 2 cents, 'thoughts', advice -- whatever label you choose. It's just a label and really neither here nor there bc one person's 'lecture' is another person's 'kind advice'.

Using this thread as a brief example - I'm hearing there is a lot of 'let's beat a dead horse already' mentality. But I'm hearing it on both sides. I'm hearing that some people think Taylor is beating a dead horse with her 'lecturing'. I'm hearing others are thinking members are beating a dead horse by addressing Taylor's lecturing.

Okay, WE GOT IT - I'm sure, on both sides.

So, I guess the message is -- tell the OP what you think, but don't keep on it and on it and on it. On the flip side, tell Taylor what you think - but don't keep on her and on her. Taylor is very passionate, and every one of us can appreciate that...we try to give her lots of room to express that passion. She herself has admitted she struggles with alienating OPs / breeder threads - and I hope she's still working on this.

It goes both ways though -- if Taylor is allowed to post her thoughts to the OP, disagreeing w/ their methods --- then so are others welcome to post, disagreeing with Taylor's methods.

Can we cool off a bit now? Take a collective breath? Down a virtual tequila shot together? I dunno...sumpthin'...?

[lynzy420]

Ann? Are you lecturing us?

[KendraE]

Long read.... Not sure if I learned anything....

But, interesting!!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by BrittanyVThomas

Oh gesh. You can't say anything without someone bashing you huh? Alright. Well I do like animals more than people. I like them more than kids actually. Probably due to the fact that their love is unconditional and they aren't as complicated as people. People are cruel, kids even. I love the kids I work with but I love my puppy more and always will. She will forever be the one who stole my heart until I have kids one day. And besides when you do the kind of job I do, you have to have a sense a humor and joke around with others about what you do because the burn out rate is so high. Don't worry, I'm not heartless, my kids at school are nice (not all the time, they have their moments). A typical day at work for me is getting bit, slapped, punched, spit on, etc. so yes I have to have a sense of humor or else I wouldn't make it. That's why I said my puppy is nicer, as in a joking sense, but I know it's difficult for people to have a sense of humor here. Maybe I should utilize the emoticons. Sorry for the confusion I do love my kids I work with and my puppy..:-P

I was just reading through some of this thread...I really don't see anyone bashing you at all . 'Bashing' is normally seen as a pretty rough word here at YT; it tends to mean someone pummeled the heck out of you (not allowed) or attacked you (ditto). I'm thinking you didn't quite mean it in this way.

I did have to chuckle and comment over you saying "Well I do like animals more than people" -- bc I say that too ! I know some people frown upon saying that, but for me it's generally true. To animals are so pure of spirit....and I think dogs should rule our planet; the kind of unconditional love dogs give us amazes me on a daily, if not hourly / minute-ly, basis.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Ann? Are you lecturing us?

Are you lecturing me about lecturing you??? I'm SO over it. That's it - I'm done with this thread!!!!



**I totally always wanted to say that in some thread

[ladyjane]

I agree, Ann, and I like animals better. I was merely commenting to her about her saying that they are nicer than the kids she says she works with who have autism. That struck me as a bit off and if I were a parent of one of those children it would offend me greatly. I certainly was not meaning to bash anyone...I simply felt the comment to be a bit rough.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Are you lecturing me about lecturing you??? I'm SO over it. That's it - I'm done with this thread!!!!



**I totally always wanted to say that in some thread

Ha ha ha!!!

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Can anyone tell me if the OP is still participating in this thread? If not, it may be best to close it; if there is still good discussion to be had, then we'll leave it open.

I enjoy the discussion about bringing home puppy. One of the posters was right in that just because YTCA says something, doesn't mean it's so, since there are a number of people who own yorkies that do not live in the US.
I am grateful of the things that I did learn from this thread. I am happy that there is something that I can tell people that are looking to buy puppies. An ounce of knowledge can be worth a pound of prevention, (not exactly the correct quote, but appropriate, I think). There is not ONE person on this board that wants anyone to have to deal with a sick or dying puppy, especially if the puppy is sick and dying primarily from being brought home too early.
But a few of these posts have gone off topic, and it seems to me, to be scab picking between members that have past issues with each other. That bothers me, because we are adults (I THINK, lol), we should be able to deal with the randomness and insanity that comes from having a lot of people with a lot of different views in one place.

In any case, it would be really nice if we can stay on topic. Even if we can't get along, can we not at least be civil? I'm fine with discussing the various aspects of taking home puppy at different ages, and why some people may be comfortable taking them home earlier, and why some may think it's better... But if the MODs think it's prudent to close the thread, well, then I bow to your greater knowledge, ability and power

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I agree, Ann, and I like animals better. I was merely commenting to her about her saying that they are nicer than the kids she says she works with who have autism. That struck me as a bit off and if I were a parent of one of those children it would offend me greatly. I certainly was not meaning to bash anyone...I simply felt the comment to be a bit rough.

I didn't think you were bashing her one bit...far from it. I understood exactly how you saw the comment, and could see how that could be hurtful if, say, a parent of one of those children read it.

I've really grown to dislike the use of 'bashing', period. It's tossed around a bit too casually now and it causes problems beyond the initial problem. To me, bashing is like "you're a horrible pet owner, you should crawl back into the whole from whence you came" --- or whatnot, ya know? Or name calling etcetera. That's bashing.

(I knew you liked animals better .)