Is it safe for a pregnant dog to fly ?

[Mardelin]

1. Flying with a pregnant female can induce premature labor....Or spontaneous abortion. What will she do if that happens on board the plan.....not only are the pups dead mom could die too.

2. The time your friend is do to fly back is the time frame that the female is due to whelp. Is there a vet at the other end. What will be done with the pups? Flying with a dam and new pups can put all of their health on the line. And very possibly you can't bring the pups back in from the Dominican Republic into the states. Let alone the fees you incurr for each pup if they can be brought home.

The owner will be putting this female under duress and undo stress on the pups, which can very well kill them. Traveling through airports, subjecting them to germs, etc. My opinion is, find someone that can take care of the female while your friend is gone. Or your friend can postpone the trip until after her girl whelps.

[alyssakristenx3]

Originally Posted by bellababy08

Thats what I'm saying!!



If everyone is right, she won't be cleared to fly, being pregnant...and even if it is still good when she leaves, it will be expired by the time she wants to return home and will need another exam, most likely will not pass being PG or a very good possibility she will whelp there and have pups to young to fly...than she will be stuck there.



I'm not slamming you in anyway, I apologize!! for not making that clear. I respect you for seeking advice, so you can try and talk some sense into your friend...And in asking for advice...you have to take the bad with the good...and I was just being honest.

What I see, is your friend being told its unsafe for her pregnant bitch to travel

Your friend blowing all that advice off, and saying she will be ok..I'm taking her anyways

I see that, as being selfish, greedy...and not caring about her bitch or the pups at all, just to go on a vacation...She coudl lose them all.

i thank you for all your advice i sent her an email with everything she will need for her welp and all the things she would be doing and i think i got thru to her to leave her. hopefully she leaves her with me that i am some what educated on the topic . i have my fingers crossed i would hate to see her lose her pups and more fendi ( the mom)

[alyssakristenx3]

this is the email i sent which i think scared her straight .


ok first things first .

Fendi should no longer be on regular dog food . you should have switched her back over to puppy food (Hills Science Diet is good)about two weeks ago. this would have helped her get all the nutrients she needs . as puppy food has way more nutrients than regular dog food. she should be on puppy food til 10 days before her first due date. at that time it is advised that she is put back on her regular food .
-along with this you should have bought a multi vitamin for her at a pet store ( this is sometimes called a pet tab) . this would help her make sure she does not become ill and has everything in her she needs. (kinda of like when a real person is preggo)

_secondly , it is advised to give half a egg once a day for more nutrition. this would be best done at her lunch time . she will be eat smaller meals more often in the day . along with this you should buy cottage cheese and scramble an eggs and combine the two and keep this refrigerated . ONE spoon of this should be added to each of her meals.

you also need to take her to a real vet to be examined. i called 4 vet offices to ask if it would be safe to have her fly they alllllll said the same thing IT IS VERY DANGEROUS IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE PUPPIES . DOGS SHOULD NOT FLY IS THEY ARE PREGNANT MORE SO IF THEY ARE SO FAR INTO THEIR PREGNANCY . fendi is already half way in . the day you return she will be exactly 60 days. that means she only has about 2 - 3days left. she can go into early welp from the stress . this would come along with huge possibilities and risk that you can lose both fendi and her pups .

you should also take her to the vet to see how many pups she is going to have .( on the internet it says that when breeding a dog be prepared to spend at the least 500 dollars on vet visits) if that is a problem it is said she should have not have been breed in the first place.

OK SO NOW IM GOING TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HER GESTATION PERIOD AND HER BIRTH PROCESS.
gestation period of a DOG is 63 days. The first day you
breed her, you mark it on your calendar and count 63 days
from then, and that's the first due date of your puppies.
Sperm lives for approximately 48 hours. so in this case if fendi was breed on the 25th of june her due dates would be the 25th the 26th or the 27th of august. ( this does not mean she will give birth on exactly those days . she may take a little longer. if she goes a week after the first date you should def take her to the vet to get checked out ) of corse if she could take longer to give birth there is a possibility they can come earlier than planed . it has been said they can come as early of the 56th day of her pregnancy .

- 10 days before her first due date you are supposed to start taking her temperature . once a day til it starts to drop . 101 is a normal temperature for a dog. once it starts to drop you should check it twice a day til it is 99 . this is when you know she is close to labor. at this time she needs to be with you or who ever is taking the responsibility to help deliver the pups 24/7.

you are going to have to get a birthing box for her birth. a birthing box can big a low huge plastic container you get at target or something . or a little kiddie pool. some people use large cages but this would make it hard for you to help her when she needs help. this box should ar last be 2 to 3 feet big this is where she will welp( give birth) and take care of her pups. along with the box you are going to need a heating pad for the pups and lots and lots and lots of towels and cushion for the box . ( i can teach you how the box should be set up ) the heating pad should be in one section of the box for the pups it can not be toooo hot or too cool . a towel should be places under and on top of it .

now this is what your gonna need in your welping kit ( birth kit)
HEMOSTATS- ATLEASTS 3 AND IT SHOULD BE THE CURVED ONES. THIS IS TO CUT THE PLACENTA AND

UMBILICAL CORDS( THIS IS TO CLAMP/CUT THE CORDS.THERE IS A CERTAIN WAY TO CUT IT I CAN TEACH YOU THIS TOO)( ALSO SOMETIMES THE MOTHER LIKES TO DO THIS . IT IS OK IF SHE DOES TO A CERTAIN POINT)

DENTAL FLOSS( NOT WAXED) - THIS IS TO TIE THE UMBILICAL CORDS.

ALCOHOL- LIKE TWO BOTTLES OF IT .

K Y JELLY & RUBBER GLOVES- THIS IS JUST IN CASE YOU NEED TO PUT YOU HAND IN TO PULL A PUP OUT . (YIKES) LOL

IODINE - TO PUT ON THE END OF THE CORDS.

QUICK STOP - TO STOP BLEEDING

ALOT OF TOWELS AND WASH CLOTHES .

HOT BOWL OF WATER

COTTON BALLS TO POOP AND PEE THE PUPS ( WHEN BORN THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS . YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR THEM ) I CAN TEACH YOU THIS TOOO .

SMALL SEPARATE DOG BED FOR PUPS THE HAS A BOARDER THAN THEY CAN NOT GET OUT OF .


Ok its time its time for fendi to give birth > how do you know > what do u do ?
first things first get all your welping supplies. (all the i just listed) put the hemostats to boil so the are sterilized.after that put them in a bowl of alcohol dip them in after every use of them. get the welping box ready and lay fendi inside of it . have someone stay with her the whole time she can always squat like if she is going to peee. this is a good birth positions for her. her first contractions will be light and not so close together . if you lay her down you can see her belly contract . you should also wash you hands alot thru out this with any bacteria soap or have a bottle of hand sanitizer near . she will probably be in light labor for about to 3 to 4 hours . but if she is pushing really hard for that long you should take her to a vet to maybe get a c section . only if you see her having alot of trouble. when she is pushing the first thing you should see is a water sack . its black and should look like a bubble. the way to tell if it is a water sack or a puppy is to lightly press on it if it is soft it is a water sack if it is hard it is a pupppyyy !!!! when you see the puppy come out you can either let her push on her own for a little while but if she is taking a long time you should take a wet wash cloth and rub the puppies face and open the placenta so it can breath and it not drown . after it is out you can clean it yourself or have fendi clean it she will do it naturally . if you put the pup in front of her. you can also let the her chew some of the umbilical cord . but to be safe you can just clamp and cut it . you are going to need that thing they use to clean babies noses too so you can clean out the mouth throat and nose . i think it is called a mucus trap. then you clean the pup completely off after fendi does and put it to nurse . you can get different color strings to put on the pups to know which puppy is which. it is ok for fendi to eat after birth it has alot of nutrients she will need. theres alot more stuff but im soo tired of writing lol. if you want me to help you i can just let me know. oh you need to poop and pee the puppies as soon as the come out ....


there are some things you need to know about the things that can go wrong.the puppy can come out breeched . this is when the puppy comesout backwards and the head gets stuck in the inside of fendi . it can also be a dry birth. this is when the sack breaks in the inside and the puppy is not in the placenta. or the puppy comes out and it isn ot breathing this when you need to put your mouth over the mothand nose and suck the fluid out of its lungs. sometimes you need to put gloves on and cover them in k y jelly to put you hand yup inside the dog and literally pry the puppy out. theres a few other things that can go wrong but this is all i can think of right now .

also 2 to 3 days after they are born you need to take them to the vet to get declawed and tails cut.


if you have annnyyyyyy questions just ask im sure i left alot out .

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by alyssakristenx3

i thank you for all your advice i sent her an email with everything she will need for her welp and all the things she would be doing and i think i got thru to her to leave her. hopefully she leaves her with me that i am some what educated on the topic . i have my fingers crossed i would hate to see her lose her pups and more fendi ( the mom)

Make sure you have Fendi's vet's phone number handy.

[bellababy08]

All very good advice...but she needs to be on a good quality puppy food, like Wellness, TOTW...there are many other 4 to 5 star quality foods...and she should start feeding puppy food through out her pregnancy...some say 2 weeks before whelping start puppy food and some say to stop feeding puppy food 2 weeks before whelping...confusing I know...

but my breeder starts her bitches on puppy food 2 weeks after breeding and keeps them on puppy food until all pups are weaned off mom...cause Mom needs that extra nutrition during pregnancy and nursing...and she shouldn't have any calcium supplement at ALL until after whelping the pups...than she should be on a calcium tablet, like Pet-Cal.

A quality puppy food and scramble eggs...and my breeder says beef or chicken liver is a good natural source of protein & calcium and thats all they need until after whelping, giving calcuim supplement, other than in her food during pregnancy can cause problems during whelping.

she should free fed, let her eat as much kibble as she wants during pregnancy and nursing...and supplement with Pet-Cal tablets, 1 tablet a day/after pups are whelped!!!, half of an eggs, boiled chicken breast/liver/cottage cheese/canned puppy food as much as she will eat or at least 4x's a day...its important that she eat double the food than normal...she will need that extra nutrition during PG/once she starts nursing the pups to produce the demand of milk the pups will need....and to prevent eclampsia in which, she should know the signs of...so she can get her bitch to the Vet ASAP cause if not treated ASAP..she will lose her bitch

While she is nursing keep her on puppy food/eggs/liver...and Pet-Cal for that extra calcium she will need....and there is a sticky note of a recipe in the breeders section, here on YT...called whelping pudding...and I hear its excelllent for nursing Moms & weaning pups...I sent it to my breeder and she said, her Moms and weaning pups loved it!

And for the record I'm no breeder, I'm very good friends with my breeder and before I moved to South Florida, we only lived a few houses down from each other for 13 yrs...so I learned alot from her/helping her.

Oh and don't let her eat all the after birth...my breeder allows her bitch to eat 1 and thats it, to help start the milk flow and it helps to kick in the maternal instincts...throw the rest away...And some breeders don't let mom eat any of it. And also let Mom diaper the pups "poop/pee" herself, if she will...that also helps to kick in her maternal instincts...hold pup up to her mouth and she will diaper/lick them clean...than put them on mom to nurse and so Mom can keep them warm...keeping them warm is very important...so tell her she will need a heating pad that doesn't have the auto turn off...put it under only half of the whelping box...so if the pups or Mom gets hot, they can move off the pad to a cooler spot in the box.

A C-section itself can run into the thousands!! 500.00 bucks is just a drop in the bucket for a normal whelp with no problems, its much more than that.

Hope this helps and good luck with your friend...sure hope she takes you advice to heart and does whats best for her bitch & pups..Its would be a shame, if she lost any of them, just for a vacation.

This link is excellent advice for: Whelping/whelping supples you will need...during pregnancy care and after bitch care...caring for newborns...and all the signs of eclampsia "milk fever" and mastitis...please use it if you keep her Bitch while she is vacationing or give to her....Have Vets and ER Vets number on speed dial.



Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders.

[taxlady]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

No they're not. All certificates are good for no more than 30 days.

Certificates must be issued no more than 3 days before the flight, and are good for 30 days after it was issued. So let's say I'm leaving this Friday out of the country. The soonest I can get a certificate is today, and the latest Thursday. Then I have 30 days from the date it was issued to get me and my dog back into the US. Unless the rules changed in the last 2 months, that's what they are.

When we flew from CA to PA 2 wks ago we got Sprocket a health certificate just to be on the safe side and even tho it was never asked for, our vet said the laws had changed it's only good for 2wks now, I don't know about going out of the country but it went from being a simple 1 page thing to being 2 pages long, quite detailed, and this is CA who knew?

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by taxlady

When we flew from CA to PA 2 wks ago we got Sprocket a health certificate just to be on the safe side and even tho it was never asked for, our vet said the laws had changed it's only good for 2wks now, I don't know about going out of the country but it went from being a simple 1 page thing to being 2 pages long, quite detailed, and this is CA who knew?

Really???? I still have Kaji's health certificate, it's only 1 page and it was good for 30 days.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Really???? I still have Kaji's health certificate, it's only 1 page and it was good for 30 days.

Actually health certificates are only good for 10 days and have been for as long as I can remember.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Actually health certificates are only good for 10 days and have been for as long as I can remember.

The way it was explained to me is, it's only good for 2-3 days before your departure date to get out of the country. Then 30 days after it was issued to get back in. I'm going to go look for that information.

[DvlshAngel985]

Here's one:
Pet Immigration Rules Mexico - Pet Passport Mexico

I called the Mexican consulate here in Los Angeles before leaving and they gave me the same information over the phone.

[alyssakristenx3]

im so sad she still decided to take her dog with her. =[ ugh the momma and the puppies =/

[bellababy08]

Originally Posted by alyssakristenx3

im so sad she still decided to take her dog with her. =[ ugh the momma and the puppies =/

Awww, that is so very sad!! but as her friend you tried..you did what any good friend would do and you shouldn't feel any guilt...In the end the decision was hers to make, and she will be the one living with the guilt.

I feel the flight alone will stress her girl out so much, that she will abort the pups, by absorbing them all or she will go into early labor and eat them.

A mother dog who feels stressed out due to a sudden change in environment, such as a flight or even boarding will abort, so her body can deal with the unnecessary stress. It is believed that when a mother aborts due to environmental stress it is done to protect the puppies.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by alyssakristenx3

im so sad she still decided to take her dog with her. =[ ugh the momma and the puppies =/

I'm sorry she didn't listen to you, but good for you for speaking up.