What is a Parti Yorkie

[yorkiegirl2]

History of the West Highland White Terrier Club
West Highland White Terrier Club

Some may feel that the original name chosen at that meeting in Glasgow was more appropriate to the origins of the breed. Small working terriers had been used for centuries throughout the West Highlands to hunt fox, otter and badger. They were rough-coated and a variety of colours - red, grey, sandy, wheaten and, even a dirty white.

It is said that any white whelps tended to be discarded for, as in many breeds, white was considered wrong, weak, undesirable and even unlucky. However the Malcolm family, Duke of Argyle and others favoured the white terriers and promoted them.

Colonel Malcolm did not claim these white terriers as a breed “manufactured” at Poltalloch, but rather as an old breed having been seen in Ross-shire, Skye and many parts of Argyle for many years.

History West Highland White Terriers were bred to hunt otters, foxes and vermin. They share their ancestry with the Scottie, Cairn and Dandie Dinmont terriers. From the rough-coated terrier stock in Scotland, white whelps were selected to form this breed. Records show that James 1, King of England in the 1620's requested some 'little white earth dogges' out of Argyleshire in Scotland and these were possibly Westies! Col Malcolm of Poltalloch, Argyleshire, accidentally shot and killed his favourite terrier (a dark coloured one) and vowed from then on only to have white dogs. He may have been the originator of the Highland Terrier but at that time they were called Poltalloch Terriers. The Duke of Argyll's estate at Dumbartonshire was called Roseneath and in the 19th century, Westies were known as Roseneath Terriers in honour of his patronage and interest. In the first organised dog shows in the late 1800's they were known as White Scottish Terrier until 1904 when they were classified under the name of West Highland White Terrier.

[yorkiegirl2]

A manual of toy dogs; how to breed, rear, and feed them

By:
Williams, Leslie, Mrs.
Publication info:
London,Longmans, Green, and co.[c1904]
Biodiversity Heritage Library: Information about 'A manual of toy dogs; how to breed, rear, and feed them, by Mrs. Leslie Williams.'


The breed does

not suffer much from " distemper," and, strange to say,

in spite of generations of coddling and fussing, and

breeding for smallness and coat, is a decidedly healthy

one. The white Yorkshires, a new variety some folk

have tried to push, is, I think, in no way especially

desirable the Maltese can do all that is necessary in

that line ; while the attempt to make " silver " York-

shires popular, too, simply means that bad-coloured

dogs without any tan (paleness of tan is the stumbling-

block in many a Yorkshire's career), are classed by

themselves and offered prizes.

[yorkiegirl2]

This one is not speaking of the white but solid color and other off colors.

The dog and how to breed, train and keep him

By:
[James, George B., Jr.] [from old catalog]
Publication info:
Boston, Mass.,Walnut publishing co.,1894.
Biodiversity Heritage Library: Information about 'The dog and how to breed, train and keep him. Containing articles on the breeding, training and keeping of the dog, as well as the history, description, and peculiarities of the different breeds by no


Many Yorkshires are "off color," coming with blue back and silver head, or perhaps all silver,

others again all tan and a great many all blue. For all these there is a demand ; they

are all beautiful anyway, and many of our ultra-fashionable ladies like to have just the

dog whose color will harmonize well with a costume or even a complexion, and will take

great pains to secure just the specimen their taste dictates. It may truly be said that

every Yorkshire is valuable, though some are much more so than others.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

A parti carrier is a piebald gene. The yorkie does not have it. They have the genes to carry a blue or black saddle with tan or gold furnishings.
Why anyone would purposely set out to ruin such a noble breed as the yorkie is beyond my comprehension but that is just my humble opinion, as a yorkie fancier/exhibitor.

If the yorkie is the product of the maltese or some of the other breeds who began this breed that carried recessive genes for other colors, then yes, even if the yorkies color is the correct blue and tan, it may carry the piebald gene (the maltese is the extreme example of piebald). This color has shown up in litters since the breeds beginning but people today choose to no longer "dispose" of the off colored pups, as was so often done in the earlier days.

[yorkiegirl2]

YORKY CLUB MAGAZINE #11 -- December 2008

"More about Color and Texture" by Hugo Ibanez




Richard Haynes (Eburacum,UK) - a nut as I am about Yorkie history - says “You judge the whole dog – I want the whole package. I will forgive some unevenness of color, whether light or dark, but I want it natural not artificially enhanced (Richard is a breeder/judge).”
Talking about being nuts about history, it seems appropriate to inject a bit of history here. Richard just found out details of the original Standard (1886) not known before that states “A bright steel blue” was required for the first 25 years by the Kennel Club in England. This was written by the first Yorkshire Terrier Club, The Halifax Yorkshire Terrier Club.
According to Richard’s research, Mary Ann Foster showed Ch. Ted year after year until he probably was nearly white (Ch. Ted was one of our founder fathers).
The Yorkshire Terrier Club was formed in 1898 – still the bright blue was in effect. But by 1911 (Richard’s research) the standard required “a dark steel blue”. This was a reaction to the light colored dogs that were being shown in the North of England. The implication here, as I understand it, is that “bright” in those days was equivalent or similar to “light”.


Finally, you must understand why we have so much trouble and tribulations with color and texture as well as other elememts of type. As I indicated before, I was coming back to touch a bit of history. Learning a bit about Yorkie ancestors will give you a better understanding of our breed and the Yorkie founding fathers, the consequences and difficulties with which we are confronted today. In 1845, one of them was described “resembling a Scotch (not Scottish) terrier, weight about 8 or 9 lbs., with good terrier head and eye but with a long body. The legs and muzzle only were tanned and hair on the body would be about 3 or 4 inches.” His mate was described as “a drop-eared Sky under 12 lbs with plenty of coat of blue shade but destitute of tan on any part of the body.” The third dog to play his part in the breed’s foundation was “a bitch, an old English Terrier with tanned head, ears, legs and sort of grizzle back.” Most of these English Terriers also had white markings.
These genes from these dogs are the beginning of our breed. It seems that after 163 years, those initial genes would have disappeared or have been diluted; apparently, they did no disappear, they just laid dormant, in sleep mode.
Some canine experts believe our purebred dogs are locked in a genetic trap due to the evolutionary and hereditary process. What does it all mean? It means that after so many years it is difficult to eliminate influences of breeds used in early foundation stock. Why? Well, it could be argued that at the beginning all were somewhat inbred, as any given breed would have a relatively small member of founding sire.
What are the consequences?
Well, as you can see we are attempting to breed the perfect dog from imperfect ancestors. 163 years seem legendary, but, genetically, Yorkies are newbies (babies)
As you can see our ancestors were “tutti frutti” which makes our breeding more complicated. Nevertheless, considering all the odds, we have succeeded in most of the elements of type. All we have to do to reassure our success just take a pick of pictures of Yorkies appearing in books and magazines from the last century, it would seem – to our reality now – that many were just pets.
No one knows better than you that as much we have progressed, we can not get complacent, still the hill that we must climbed is too steep.

[KendraE]

I don't know exactly what they are.... But they sure are pretty!

[JolieJean]

Hey guys and gals.. thanks for the feedback! this thread was deifinitly not started to be an arguement or to degrade any dog..
i was just curious because of all the guidelines of what a yorkie is.. witch i think is silly.. all yorkies are beautiful in my opinion even if one came out purple!! haha.. i just didnt know if people intentionaly preed their pups with maltese (or any other breed) to look like a parti..

but all in all if you love yorkies you will love any yorkie.. even if its only 10% yorkie..
Thanks again for the answers! it was very educational. and i like to learn anything i can about them...

p.s. my litlle yorkie will be here in 6days!!!! soooooo excited

[JolieJean]

"breed" not preed lol

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

The yorkie never did carry the parti colour gene. Regardless of the claims of those that don't know the breed and claim the are purebred, they are not but the result of a mix getting in there.
Unfortunately, they have been accepted into AKC registration but that was based on the registration numbers of sire and dam and who knows where the mix happened? At that time, DNA was not able to be tested as it was today.
The Biewers also a parti colour Yorkie that come from Germany but not recognized by the FCI or the German Kennel CLub, have proven they were the result of a mix and have very little yorkie genes. It is on their website when they chose to have that information on there.

I find this very interesting.. I breed Biewer Yorkshire Terriers and I'd love to see whatever "proof" you say there is to support this statement because frankly, I've never seen any. The name of the dog is a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon.. History states that they are Pure Yorkies.. nothing more, nothing less.

Diana

[moshes_human]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I find this very interesting.. I breed Biewer Yorkshire Terriers and I'd love to see whatever "proof" you say there is to support this statement because frankly, I've never seen any. The name of the dog is a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon.. History states that they are Pure Yorkies.. nothing more, nothing less.

Diana

I looked at your website and OMG!! What BEAUTIFUL dogs!! Simply stunning.

Moshe may need a brother

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by moshes_human

I looked at your website and OMG!! What BEAUTIFUL dogs!! Simply stunning.

Moshe may need a brother

Well, thank you very much!.. W seem to be a bit smitten with the little rascales ourselves!

Diana

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

A parti carrier is a piebald gene. The yorkie does not have it. They have the genes to carry a blue or black saddle with tan or gold furnishings.
Why anyone would purposely set out to ruin such a noble breed as the yorkie is beyond my comprehension but that is just my humble opinion, as a yorkie fancier/exhibitor.

Lorraine then maybe you have a reason as to why Wildweir Kennels, Joan Gordon had a tri color show up in her yorkie line in 1976 and knew without a doubt that there was no mixes in her breedings of Wildweir dogs. Or why she states in her books that Yorkies can be born all black: all tan: tan with black points; tri-color: black, white, and tan; all blue; bluish grey with tan points;
ARe you saying that Joan Gordon is a liar? If thats the case, then should we believe anything written on the YTCA website as it was written by Joan Gordon. You can't take parts of what Joan has written to believe and disregard other parts she has written and said because you don't like it.

An excerpt from an article written in The Yorky Club Magazine on Colors and Texture by Hugo Ibanez, he states:
You must understand why we have so much trouble and tribulations with color and texture as well as other elements of type. As I indicated before, I was coming back to touch a bit of history. Learning a bit about Yorkie ancestors will give you a better understanding of our breed and the Yorkie founding fathers, the consequences and difficulties with which we are confronted today.
In 1845, one of them was described “resembling a Scotch (not Scottish) terrier, weight about 8 or 9 lbs., with good terrier head and eye but with a long body. The legs and muzzle only were tanned and hair on the body would be about 3 or 4 inches.” His mate was described as “a drop-eared Sky under 12 lbs with plenty of coat of blue shade but destitute of tan on any part of the body.”
The third dog to play his part in the breed’s foundation was “a bitch, an old English Terrier with tanned head, ears, legs and sort of grizzle back.” Most of these English Terriers also had white markings.
These genes from these dogs are the beginning of our breed. It seems that after 163 years, those initial genes would have disappeared or have been diluted; apparently, they did no disappear, they just laid dormant, in sleep mode.
Some canine experts believe our purebred dogs are locked in a genetic trap due to the evolutionary and hereditary process. What does it all mean? It means that after so many years it is difficult to eliminate influences of breeds used in early foundation stock. Why? Well, it could be argued that at the beginning all were somewhat inbred, as any given breed would have a relatively small member of founding sire.
What are the consequences?
Well, as you can see we are attempting to breed the perfect dog from imperfect ancestors. 163 years seem legendary, but, genetically, Yorkies are newbies (babies)
As you can see our ancestors were “tutti frutti” which makes our breeding more complicated.

[Breezeaway]

Hahaha Yorkiegirl, GMTA. I should have read a bit more before posting.

[Breezeaway]

For those of you that are interested, the letter I got from Joan Gordon is posted on my website. She always knew there were other colors of yorkies, but it was not the standard so most people did away with them. The standard was set and yes they wanted it protected. But it does not mean that other colors were never born.

[Lorraine]

About the Biewer Terrier
"Biewer Terrier, a close cousin of the YOrkshire terrer...."
"we have been able to show that the Biewer Terrier is a distinct of its own. ..." From Biewer Terrier History
It is not a Yorkie. The BTCA has been trying to have the Biewer recognized as a Biewer Terrier not a wrong colour Yorkshire Terrier. As a Fancier of the YOrkshire Terrier neither I nor any other Yorkie Fanciers have a problem with this and wish them well. Their first fight however, is going to be to educate those that think these are wrong colour yorkies. Good luck with that as well.
Yes I know why and how Joan Gordon ended up with a tri colour, and so does Joan. And no I am not putting on this public forum, I would rather let you guys figure it out yourselves.
BTW, for anyone who wants to check it out, Biewers Terriers, Biewer Yorkies, Biewer YOrkie a la pom pom or whatever the heck catch phrase anyone comes up with are NOT recognized or registerable with the German Kennel CLub or the FCI in Europe or the AKC or Canadian Kennel CLub.