What is a Parti Yorkie

[JolieJean]

I know what a parti Yorkie looks like.. but what is it??


is it a full bred yorkie??? or is it mixed with something??

Thanks

[Beamers Mom]

It is a pure bred Yorkie with a color "fault"

Beautiful little dogs.

[Pinehaven]

Some yorkies carry recessive genes for other colors as a result of the non purebred dogs who were used to begin this breed. These genes can be passed on for many, many generations and the faulty colors will appear if one recessive gene carrier is bred to another dog who carries the same recessive gene.

A carrier will pass his recessive gene onto 50% of his offspring, if half of those pups are used for breeding, the carriers will pass their recessive gene onto half of their offspring, so you see how these genes for off color like Parti, continue to be passed down for years and generations.

Off colors have shown up in breeders litters since the beginning of the breed, in addition, well known show breeders like Parquin, Wildweir and Nikkos have had parti pop up in their litters.

In the early years of Yorkshire terrier history, when off color was seen in the litter, the pup was normally disposed of but since AKC now allows off colors to be registered (in 2000) we are seeing more parti, chocolate and golden yorkies.

[Lorraine]

The yorkie never did carry the parti colour gene. Regardless of the claims of those that don't know the breed and claim the are purebred, they are not but the result of a mix getting in there.
Unfortunately, they have been accepted into AKC registration but that was based on the registration numbers of sire and dam and who knows where the mix happened? At that time, DNA was not able to be tested as it was today.
The Biewers also a parti colour Yorkie that come from Germany but not recognized by the FCI or the German Kennel CLub, have proven they were the result of a mix and have very little yorkie genes. It is on their website when they chose to have that information on there.

[SWHouston]

DRINKING SMOKING WILD TIMES

THEY'RE ANIMALS !

[JolieJean]

yes i know they are animals haha.. i was just curious if it was that they were mixed with a maltese or something.. but thanks for letting me know everyone.. it was something that just crossed my mind.. plus they are super cute as well

[yorkiegirl2]

While there are those who claim the Yorkshire terrier never carried the parti gene this fact has never been proven .
The fact is the Yorkshire Terrier is a man made breed and different
dogs and genetic material when into the development of the breed.
The first breeders who started developing the breed and the secrecy of how they were breeding or which other dogs were used to get that long silk coat... which most assume was a Maltese..
We don’t know and will likely never know for sure but if you look at the grizzly short haired dogs of the pass to today yorkies they look totally different.
Breeding 2 grizzly short haired dogs together does not produce a long silk coated dog.
And when you think about it since they has no DNA testing available back then, makes you wonder just how many standard oops litters were registered incorrectly.
The lines you think your dog carries, may not be the correct lineage at all.

Each person needs to make up their own mind if they think the Parti’s are pure yorkies or not.
But for me I believe they are Yorkies just as much as the silver/tan ,black/tan and the
redlegs (which reminds me of the dogs of the past).

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

The yorkie never did carry the parti colour gene. Regardless of the claims of those that don't know the breed and claim the are purebred, they are not but the result of a mix getting in there.
Unfortunately, they have been accepted into AKC registration but that was based on the registration numbers of sire and dam and who knows where the mix happened? At that time, DNA was not able to be tested as it was today.
The Biewers also a parti colour Yorkie that come from Germany but not recognized by the FCI or the German Kennel CLub, have proven they were the result of a mix and have very little yorkie genes. It is on their website when they chose to have that information on there.

There are numerous books from the late 1800's through early 1900's that state that one of the dogs thought to be used in the makeup of the YT was the maltese, the UK Kennel Club has this information also posted on their YT description page.

The Kennel Club

Even the AKC's "The Complete Dog Book" states that a majority of the old authorities credited the Maltese with having a part in the development of the Yorkshire terrier. This was printed in my copy of the 1945 the Complete Dog Book.

It is known that the YT began from dogs with no pedigrees and dogs of unknown heritage. So where did things go from numerous early writings stating that the Maltese was thought to have been used in the makeup of the Yorkie to the present day thinking that there was never a white dog or a dog with white genes used in the make up of the Yorkshire terrier? How can the early writings and thoughts be completely ignored?

As for the one Biewer club that you've pointed out as saying they have "mixed" bred biewer yorkshire terrier dogs ... well, I'll let someone else talk about that can of worms.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

The yorkie never did carry the parti colour gene. Regardless of the claims of those that don't know the breed and claim the are purebred, they are not but the result of a mix getting in there.
Unfortunately, they have been accepted into AKC registration but that was based on the registration numbers of sire and dam and who knows where the mix happened? At that time, DNA was not able to be tested as it was today.
The Biewers also a parti colour Yorkie that come from Germany but not recognized by the FCI or the German Kennel CLub, have proven they were the result of a mix and have very little yorkie genes. It is on their website when they chose to have that information on there.

OP the answer is a very beautiful purebred Yorkie with a coloration the YTCA considers a fault and will not accept so they cannot be shown in the ring.

Hmmm uh wow, though they were officially accepted in 2000 when the DNA testing was established as credible enough to be accepted by the federal courts of America; thus the AKC would accept the canine DNA proof showing the Yorkies that were carriers of the recessive parti gene, were full Yorkies and furthermore full Partis (even non-line bred) could be established as full Yorkies...and well all those who were breeding crosses as Partis and submitted their dogs DNA we really called out on the carpet over it...strange historically speaking there's a lot of "unpopular" proof to their existence...where did the "cousin" Biewers come from then?-an American Parti line. Partis unlike Biewers are not inbred continually.

Anyone actually know and want to post links and official AKC documentation for this?

[Lorraine]

A parti carrier is a piebald gene. The yorkie does not have it. They have the genes to carry a blue or black saddle with tan or gold furnishings.
Why anyone would purposely set out to ruin such a noble breed as the yorkie is beyond my comprehension but that is just my humble opinion, as a yorkie fancier/exhibitor.

[Beamers Mom]

Please let us not allow this thread to get into a heated discussion on the Parti colors like the last time they were discussed.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...olor-ytca.html

Parti Yorkies are Yorkies and are beautiful. Hopefully we can leave it at that? Remember this thread?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

A parti carrier is a piebald gene. The yorkie does not have it. They have the genes to carry a blue or black saddle with tan or gold furnishings.
Why anyone would purposely set out to ruin such a noble breed as the yorkie is beyond my comprehension but that is just my humble opinion, as a yorkie fancier/exhibitor.

It was a question about what a Parti is please don't send this thread in such a negative direction, you stated your opinions...and it's very insulting at this point to make comments about ruining a breed, and those who have worked so hard to preserve and improve the Yorkie breed (in the Parti lines)...also those who studies genetics and read the AKC documents.

Let's be nice even if it's not something you prefer insulting it isn't necessicary.


Piebald gene...let some of the Parti breeders display their research here instead of confusing someone with a simple question in complicated matters of DNA-especially if you don't believe in the DNA research in the first place, the research and proof that got the AKC to accept Partis as pure Yorkies in the first place.

Ye either one reads all the genetic DNA proof and research and studies old references and "unpopular" history etc
or it was a and a that produced them...

Hope this thread goes in a better direction with no one insulting anyone else-especially those who work equally as hard if not harder to defend, improve, preserve and establish legitimacy of the Yorkie breed we all love...

[yorkiegirl2]

The YTCA states the main 3 dogs used in the production of the Yorkshire terrier are
The Clydesdale Terrier, Old English (toy rough and broken haired)
Terrier and the Waterside Terriers.

The Waterside terriers are every interesting.
Read full article
Airedale Terrier

Airedale Terrier - The Early Days
1850 - 1910

The Airedale Terrier was formally known as the Waterside or Bingley terrier. It's roots can be traced back to the valley of the river Aire in Yorkshire district of Great Britain. It's most important ancestor was the local rough coated working terrier. Mostly black & tan with a fearless temperament and strong hunting instinct. Being a medium sized dog in general appearance for a terrier the Airedale was big. This gave him later the name "king of terriers". The Airedale was always a breed which was known for its versatile working abilities.
Around 1850 Mr. Holmes carefully crossed otterhound with the local working terrier to get a stronger and bigger dog with the brain, the temperament and the coat of the terrier and the retrieving ability, the nose and the qualities in water work of the otterhound. To better the breed other breeds like collies and bullterrier have been crossed in. Like the most other breeds too, the Airedale and his ancestors have been workers in those days and their look has rapidly changed in the last 150 years mostly because the show breeders got a hold of them.

So we have
Collie Tri-colored
Bull terriers Tri-colored

[yorkiegirl2]

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Otterhound
were in the make up of the Waterside/Airdales.
Read more
Otterhounds | Overview & History

Some early authors believed that the Southern Hound and the Welsh Harrier were the Otterhound’s primary predecessors – a logical theory since many Otterhounds lived in Wales and Devonshire, which were the main strongholds of the Southern Hound. Other writers thought that the Otterhound got its coat from the Old Water Spaniel and its hardiness from the English Bulldog. The Griffon Nivernais from France and the English Foxhound have been proposed as contributing to the mix. Still others credit the Bloodhound, based on the Otterhound’s similarly domed skull and length of ear. As early as 1575, John Turberville made no distinction between the Bloodhound and the Otterhound in his writings about otter hunting. One of the more well-reasoned theories about Otterhound origin came from Marples, who pointed out the strong similarity between the Otterhound and the old French Vendeen Hound; each breed closely resembles the other in coat and conformation. The Otterhound contributed to the development of the Airdale Terrier breed

Otterhound in art
Otterhounds in Art

The otterhound came in Tri-color
(and so did some the other dogs thought to be in the make up of the breed).
Southern hounds tri-colored
Griffon Nivernais tri-colored
English Foxhound tri-colored
English bull dog tri-colored
Blood hounds some with white chest and feet.

[yorkiegirl2]

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A SHORT HISTORY of the TERRIER
HISTORY of the ScottishTERRIER

The Skye Terrier (more commonly called the Cairn Terrier) is the oldest of the Terrier breeds in Britain. It gets it name from the Cairns it was supposed to keep clear of vermin. The cairns were used as repositories of cold cured or frozen meat, placed in there during the winter and allowed to freeze in order to preserve them (there were no fridge’s or freezers then). The meat was placed in amongst a pile of stones and then a pyramid or cairn of stones was built up around it .The foxes badgers and rats would make some inroads into the stored meat but the dogs were bred to protect the food and were excellent vermin hunters.
During the late 16th century one Farquhar of Drumfearn is known to have kept several packs of hounds and he also kept terriers as working dogs. The practice in those days was for the white haired terriers to be drowned at birth, as it was believed that they were of uncertain courage and that they would stand out against the hillsides and thus reveal the hunters to the prey. Fortunately Farquhar did not subscribe to this idea and insisted on having at least one dog in each pack of terriers that was white. From these white haired dogs came the West Highland Terriers.
Two centuries later the oldest accredited breed of Cairn Terriers appeared. Bred by a Captain Macleod of Drynoch they were oldest of three Kennels in Skye, the other two being the Waternish owned by Macdonald's and the Mackinnon's of Kilbride. In earlier times they (the dogs) were known as Drynoch, Monkstadt, and Camusunary terriers but this really refers to the estates on which they were found.
The Drynoch strain were dominated by the silver colouring, the Waternish by the dark greys through to brindles and the Mackinnons of Kilbride by the cream through to nearly black. Many years of feuding, fighting and reiving (stealing of cattle) lead to many a dog being stolen from its rightful master and used for breeding or fighting. At present the purest strain of dog on the island of Skye is the Waternish strain.
There are 25 recognized breeds of terriers in the world, and they all trace their ancestry back to Britain. Mostly bred from a Scottish terrier and a local dog, the terrier genes proved dominant. Some breeds of terrier have become extinct One such was the Clydesdale or Paisley Terrier which played an important part in the development of the Yorkshire Terrier and also played a part in the production of the Black and Tan (or as it is also known, the Manchester Terrier). It is also known that William IV (1830-1837) had a small Yorkshire Terrier.
The first volume of the Kennel Club Stud Book dated 1874 notes that "the Yorkshire Terrier is also known as the Broken Haired Scotch Terrier".

See pic of a pretty white skye terrier.
Skye Terrier Dog Photographs - Photo gallery of Sky dogs

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History of the Cairn Terrier :

The Cairn Terrier is believed to be one of the oldest breeds of terrier north of the border. It is also rumoured to be an ancestor to all Scottish terriers, although there are no reliable records. Originally known as the 'short-haired Skye terrier,' it is native to the Isle of Skye situated off the North-West coast of Scotland. However, in 1910 the name was changed to 'cairn terrier' in order to distinguish it from the 'Skye terrier,' which was obviously native to the same small island.

It is believed to be the work of the Dryknock and MacDonald family that kept the short-haired Skye alive. Captain Martin MacLoed of Dryknock was a great Highland sportsmen, as well as a keen otter hunter, and he maintained a pack of silver grey short-haired Skye terriers for forty years before emigrating to Canada at the end of the 19th Century. It was John MacDonald who continued the breeding, and the terriers were able to carry on making their mark for a further seventy years.

In 1912, thanks to a pair of persevering women named Mrs Alistair Cambell and Mary Hawke, the Cairn terrier, as we know it today, was recognised by the British Kennel Club to be a breed in it's own right.


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