What is a Parti Yorkie

[JolieJean]

ohh boy i wish someone would have warned me haha.. i am not into the guidelines of the breed at all.. just not educated on it.. it was really just a simple question.. i was just curious if people literally breed a maltese with a yorkie to make those colors.. lol thats all.. never would have thought it would have turned into this... althou i am learning alot

[JolieJean]

@greenwoodbiewer.. well they are very pretty.. if i ever decided to get another yorkie (havent even got my first one yet haha.. ps she gets here saturday) i think i would really be interested in a yorkie like that.. especially the one in your default pic.. he/she is gorgeous! i would totally name her barbie!! lol

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I am more than willing to try once again yet again, more and more times to try to explain the world of purebred dogs comprised of true purebred fanciers.
If you think tri colour yorkies and/or wrong colour yorkies are the first time people who do not understand the world of purebreds came up with a new idea you are so wrong.
About 30 years ago, a guy was trying to promote black and white German shorthaired pointers and yes the GSP does carry the gene to produce them. The GSP fanciers drummed him out and he disappeared from the show world. no, black and whites were not culled they were given away to good pet homes.
About 10 years ago a Sharpei breeder was trying to promote Toy sharpeis' which were undersized sharpei's even trying showing them.
This person was drummed out by the fanciers to disappear from the show world.
Recently the Canadian Chihuahua club has taken a stand on Merle Chi's They are not only not recognized, the club has petitioned the CKC to have them not registerable. Not sure where that stands right now.
The Pug club is dealing with some that are trying brindle pugs which colour is not carried in the breed at all.
So maybe those who are not purebred dog fanciers on this forum now understands the YTCA are not the first parent club to take a stand to preserve their breed under the breed standard.
And I reiterate once again, no purebred fancier of any breed will purposely promote or try to produce any dog or puppy without the breed standard in mind that they are striving to live up to that standard.
What is so complicated wtih being a true purebred breed fancier?
I am very well aware I am wasting my time trying to explain the purebred fancier world to those that have chosen that a breed standard means nothing.
However, my bet from PM's I get, there are many who realize what I am saying sure does make a lot of sense.
Now if you will all excuse me, I have a very busy week this week and you all have fun arguing that black is white or is that tricolour? LOL

MY arguments are not about the tri color being the standard. I know it is not the standard for the Yorkie. My argument is and has been about people saying the tri color cannot come from yorkies and that they are not purebred. They may not be the standard and may never be accepted but that still does not make them anything less than a Yorkshire Terrier. You think if you keep denying that other colors are born from yorkies that they will just disappear?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Along these lines, with any breed is it theoretically possible for any set of color genes or whatever the basic structure is called, to mutate into something else - say brindle or merle or red?

[Bellasmom30]

Originally Posted by jencar98

You didn't start a war, only resurrected a continuing debate. If not you, another would have eventually came along and asked the same question. This debate happens every few months or so and it's not likely to change any time soon.

I've only been here a short while and have "followed" several debates. This is very likely to get much more interesting..........

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by JolieJean

ohh boy i wish someone would have warned me haha.. i am not into the guidelines of the breed at all.. just not educated on it.. it was really just a simple question.. i was just curious if people literally breed a maltese with a yorkie to make those colors.. lol thats all.. never would have thought it would have turned into this... althou i am learning alot

If something were added to the breed....no one can tell you, but the fact of the matter now...it's there now.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain! The Great and all Powerful
OZ has spoken...

Diana

LMAO!!!!!

[Breny]

Originally Posted by JolieJean

omg.. i have started a war..

No war It was a good question! Don't worry Just with this forum you will get alot of different opinions.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

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A SHORT HISTORY of the TERRIER
HISTORY of the ScottishTERRIER

The Skye Terrier (more commonly called the Cairn Terrier) is the oldest of the Terrier breeds in Britain. It gets it name from the Cairns it was supposed to keep clear of vermin. The cairns were used as repositories of cold cured or frozen meat, placed in there during the winter and allowed to freeze in order to preserve them (there were no fridge’s or freezers then). The meat was placed in amongst a pile of stones and then a pyramid or cairn of stones was built up around it .The foxes badgers and rats would make some inroads into the stored meat but the dogs were bred to protect the food and were excellent vermin hunters.
During the late 16th century one Farquhar of Drumfearn is known to have kept several packs of hounds and he also kept terriers as working dogs. The practice in those days was for the white haired terriers to be drowned at birth, as it was believed that they were of uncertain courage and that they would stand out against the hillsides and thus reveal the hunters to the prey. Fortunately Farquhar did not subscribe to this idea and insisted on having at least one dog in each pack of terriers that was white. From these white haired dogs came the West Highland Terriers.
Two centuries later the oldest accredited breed of Cairn Terriers appeared. Bred by a Captain Macleod of Drynoch they were oldest of three Kennels in Skye, the other two being the Waternish owned by Macdonald's and the Mackinnon's of Kilbride. In earlier times they (the dogs) were known as Drynoch, Monkstadt, and Camusunary terriers but this really refers to the estates on which they were found.
The Drynoch strain were dominated by the silver colouring, the Waternish by the dark greys through to brindles and the Mackinnons of Kilbride by the cream through to nearly black. Many years of feuding, fighting and reiving (stealing of cattle) lead to many a dog being stolen from its rightful master and used for breeding or fighting. At present the purest strain of dog on the island of Skye is the Waternish strain.
There are 25 recognized breeds of terriers in the world, and they all trace their ancestry back to Britain. Mostly bred from a Scottish terrier and a local dog, the terrier genes proved dominant. Some breeds of terrier have become extinct One such was the Clydesdale or Paisley Terrier which played an important part in the development of the Yorkshire Terrier and also played a part in the production of the Black and Tan (or as it is also known, the Manchester Terrier). It is also known that William IV (1830-1837) had a small Yorkshire Terrier.
The first volume of the Kennel Club Stud Book dated 1874 notes that "the Yorkshire Terrier is also known as the Broken Haired Scotch Terrier".

See pic of a pretty white skye terrier.
Skye Terrier Dog Photographs - Photo gallery of Sky dogs

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History of the Cairn Terrier :

The Cairn Terrier is believed to be one of the oldest breeds of terrier north of the border. It is also rumoured to be an ancestor to all Scottish terriers, although there are no reliable records. Originally known as the 'short-haired Skye terrier,' it is native to the Isle of Skye situated off the North-West coast of Scotland. However, in 1910 the name was changed to 'cairn terrier' in order to distinguish it from the 'Skye terrier,' which was obviously native to the same small island.

It is believed to be the work of the Dryknock and MacDonald family that kept the short-haired Skye alive. Captain Martin MacLoed of Dryknock was a great Highland sportsmen, as well as a keen otter hunter, and he maintained a pack of silver grey short-haired Skye terriers for forty years before emigrating to Canada at the end of the 19th Century. It was John MacDonald who continued the breeding, and the terriers were able to carry on making their mark for a further seventy years.

In 1912, thanks to a pair of persevering women named Mrs Alistair Cambell and Mary Hawke, the Cairn terrier, as we know it today, was recognised by the British Kennel Club to be a breed in it's own right.


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These are not a pictures of "white" Skye Terriers. Those are creams. This adult color of the Skye Terrier starts out as an almost black or charcoal puppy at birth and the color changes over time, much like the Yorkshire Terrier does. When you breed cream to cream for many generations, you will dilute the black on the muzzel and ears and the adult will appear to be an all white dog, but it is still not born white and therefor not a white dog at all.

[yorkiegirl2]

Well since all we have to go on is those who wrote about the breeds back in the day.
I guess it is up to each person if they believe what was written or not.

One such writer Robert Leighton wrote the Dogs and All About Them in 1910.
This is part of what he said about the Skye and Clydesdales and notice he stated that the colors of the Skye range from every tint between
BLACK and WHITE.

There can be no question that these dogs, which are so typically Highland in character and appearance, as well as the Clydesdale, the Scottish, the Dandie Dinmont, and the White Poltalloch terriers, are all the descendants of a purely native Scottish original. They are all inter-related; but which was the parent breed it is impossible to determine.


Probably Mr. James Pratt has devoted more time and attention to the Skye Terrier than any other now living fancier, though the names of Mr. Kidd and Mr. Todd are usually well known. Mr. Pratt's Skyes were allied to the type of terrier claiming to be the original Skye of the Highlands. The head was not so large, the ears also were not so heavily feathered, as is the case in the Skye of to-day, and the colours were very varied, ranging from every tint between black and white.

[yorkiegirl2]

Cairn Terrier History from
American Kennel Club - Cairn Terrier History

In 1909, the show at Inverness offered classes for Short-Haired Skyes. At a meeting of the Skye Terrier Club, fanciers protested the use of the name. The confusion over the classification of these "Short-Haired Skyes" was once again apparent when they were entered in classes for Skye Terriers at Crufts in 1910, even though classes for Short-Haired Skyes were provided. The judge refused to judge these dogs as entered and marked her book "wrong class." A change of name to the "Cairn Terrier of Skye" was suggested for the Short-Haired Skye. (Cairns were piles of stones which served as landmarks or memorials. Common throughout much of Scotland, cairns were frequent hiding places for small mammals. Farmers used small terriers to bolt the animals from their rocky lairs.) The shortened name, Cairn Terrier, was agreed upon and in 1912 the breed was permitted to compete for chal-lenge certificates.

The Cairn Terrier standard in England permitted white as a color until 1923. The interbreeding of Cairns and West Highland White Terriers had occurred in both England and the United States. However, the AKC (who had given the breed official recognition in 1913) in 1917 barred any Cairn from registration if it was a product of "such a mixed breeding practice."

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

These are not a pictures of "white" Skye Terriers. Those are creams. This adult color of the Skye Terrier starts out as an almost black or charcoal puppy at birth and the color changes over time, much like the Yorkshire Terrier does. When you breed cream to cream for many generations, you will dilute the black on the muzzel and ears and the adult will appear to be an all white dog, but it is still not born white and therefor not a white dog at all.

There were white skyes and apparently parti color too.

Please see the link that talks about James Pratt, a well known skye breeder and fancier in the late
1800's/early 1900's. He had white Skye terriers.

Mr. James Pratt

Attached below is an article published in the New York Times in 1966 talking about parti colors being an issue in the Skye breed.

[Pinehaven]

Parti Skye Article.

[Pinehaven]

The New Book of Dog (1907), gives you an idea of how early breeders used different breeds in order to achieve the look of the dog that we today call the Yorkshire Terrier.

The new book of the dog; a comprehensive natural history of British dogs and their foreign relatives, with chapters on law, breeding, kennel management, and veterinary treatment

In the Yorkshire Terrier Chapter, it talks about using crosses of dogs like the Clydesdale, Skye, Maltese and Dandi and when the litter is produced, making selections and rejections of the pups based on characteristics that they wanted or didn't want ...

"Evidence of origin is often to be found more distinclty in puppies than in mature dog, and it is to be noted that the puppies of both the dandie and yorkshire are born with decided black and tan coloring.* Selection and rejection must have been important factors in the production-selection of offspring which came nearest to the preconceived model, rejection of all that had the long body and short legs of the skye, the white colouring of the maltese, the drooping ears of the dandie and the wiry coat of the black and tan"

[concretegurl]

Poor OP, you stepped on a landmine here.
It was a good question I hope it was answered for you and not distracted with people who try to turn Yorkie Talk in YTCAT (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Talk).
Unpopular history is always debatable DNA is not, and somehow Biewers always get brought into it to confuse the issue as a separate breed etc.

Hopefully one day AKC Yorkie breeders of both Standards and Partis (tri colored) can give equal respect to each other and their dogs...here I go again...and show their dog in the same ring...

I will never understand the standard breeders with their "ruining the breed!" mantra; is anyone saying "hey lets take all carriers and parti and mix them into the standard lines" Seriously no, but it's okay to say OMYorkies! Don't breed that Parti carrier to another or don't breed those Partis-isn't ending a coloration in a breed "ruining" the breed by culling them out completely.

Someone needs to write a sticky thread on "Equal Respect" for YT, IMHO.