Need Expert Yorkie Opinion

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by anastacea

I would like to also add, that I personally would never begin to breed a dire and dam without first testing their purity. To me that is just common sense, and I don't have 20 years of breeding experience. Further, how can someone who has so much experience breeding yorkies, not recognize that the mother is a Silky Terrier? or whats more, the father is part shih tzu, with no traces of yorkshire terrier?

Crystal, please tell me, how can this be chalked up to a simple mistake?

[anastacea]

Crystal, put this in perspective. If you had of worked with me directly, I wouldn't have continued this forum thread, and Joanna, and Junoline would not be requesting their money back. Who knows how long the repercussions of your actions will last? There may be others in the future who have new concerns as a result of this posting. I recommend resolving this issue publically, rather than in a court room. It is your reputation that is being hindered by your lack of accountability for your actions. It is not my “libel,” as you would call it, that is the issue. It is your unwillingness resolve this conflict that has resulted in this escalating. So, are you going to ask that Joanna return her dog, for a refund (after she’s had it a year?) What do you plan to do to make amends, if her DNA results also prove her dog isn’t pure?

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by CrystalYorkie

Letter From Crystal Hardacker, Part II
　
I have been reading the responses, and am impressed by the knowledge and suggestions of some of the board members. Thanks to those for taking the time to write in and try to help out.

Joanna-- Sorry if I was a little mean spirited on my response. Your puppy is from registered yorkies I purchased from another breeder, and if DNA testing proves otherwise, it is because these yorkies I bought for breeding are falsely papered. I buy reasonably priced dogs and raise puppies mainly for my enjoyment and sell the puppies priced so everyone can enjoy this breed. And yes, I do make a little money for my time. Any complaints against me regarding AKC are with issues regarding DNA problems I did not create, and I do not wish to spend my time fighting them. This is one of the reasons I use CKC now. PM me if your pup proves to be mixed, and I will make amends. As I have stated, I do not intentionally breed mix pups and sell them as pure.
Which all goes to prove that you are a backyard breeder buying cheap dogs from other backyard breeders and breeding them for money 　

Anastacea-- As a hobby, I take in unwanted animals and try to find homes for them so they are not destroyed. I also have many breeder friends that do not like to deal with the public (gee, I wonder why), and I do sometimes sell their mixed breed toy pups for them, so you will indeed find listings from various breeds and ages under my name. I once took in over 30 dogs on my property from an elderly breeder who could not care for them anymore, and with the help of others we managed to place all of them using various postings in 4 cities. You continue to make insults and call me a manipulative liar and are deaf to reason as to why your pup is showing mix DNA. You are a vindictive, obnoxious child, and I will see you in court. You know nothing about me, and I am tempted to sue you for slander and harassment. Do not call or e-mail me anymore with your hate and accusations. I would sooner give $10000 to animal cruelty and humane foundations (which I have been very generous with over the years) then give you one of my pups for free plus the $420 you are rudely demanding.

Once again, I am really enjoying the yorkie information on this website, and am learning much more about this wonderful breed. Thanks to all for taking the time to share your expertise!
　
　
Thank you,
　

Crystal Hardacker
　
　
　

Also you are a puppy broker which is another disgusting thing that i truely despise. you are not a quality breeder and you cannot claim to be one. you breed dogs that you have no idea about what they really are or where they really came from. let alone health testing. you are sick to think what you are doing is right. and you took advantage of three nice people looking for a yorkie and gave them nothing but lies, fraud, and dogs that look nothing like a yorkie looks.
shame on YOU!!

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Dzbabykel

I think that was very well written and definitely explains a lot of the misunderstandings others had It really is always nice to hear the other side of things, like I said before....what's important is that all animals are healthy and in happy homes!!!

REALLY????? Did you read all the red flags all over that post?? She's a greeder plain and simple and NOTHING she said was well written and explains anythings. This is NOT a misunderstanding this is a lying, cheating, evil greeder! And they are not happy and healthy dogs. They are randomly bred with little or no health testings and left to try and survive in new homes. This breeder makes me SICK

[Dzbabykel]

My apologies for saying I "liked" what she said...I guess I read it and chaulked it up to be a huge misunderstanding as it sounded like she really cared for animals and took them in to find them better homes (that was the part I liked). I'm in no way a breeder so it was ignorant of me to think that she meant no ill will, guess I'm too trusting. Like I said I meant nothing by it and guess I misunderstood her post myself....hope I didn't offend anyone

[babbsiam44]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Also you are a puppy broker which is another disgusting thing that i truely despise. you are not a quality breeder and you cannot claim to be one. you breed dogs that you have no idea about what they really are or where they really came from. let alone health testing. you are sick to think what you are doing is right. and you took advantage of three nice people looking for a yorkie and gave them nothing but lies, fraud, and dogs that look nothing like a yorkie looks.
shame on YOU!!

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

REALLY????? Did you read all the red flags all over that post?? She's a greeder plain and simple and NOTHING she said was well written and explains anythings. This is NOT a misunderstanding this is a lying, cheating, evil greeder! And they are not happy and healthy dogs. They are randomly bred with little or no health testings and left to try and survive in new homes. This breeder makes me SICK

OK, we should leave this up to the OP. This is her fight. I think we all have given her sound advice, voiced our opinions but there is nothing left for us to do but support "anastacea"

I know. I know, a fight is within me, but it is not my own. We can only give her our support.

anastacea--What do you need from us? Whatever it is, we are there for you girl...all you have to do is ask. I am sure you are appreciative of our support, which will continue, upon the asking.....we are here

[dawn27]

Wow...BUsted!!

Someone was clearly in the wrong here. It would be in Crystal's best interest to settle out of court instead of having your so called "reputation" as tarnished as it may be dragged through the mud any more than what it has been or already is, but that's up to her. She put her name on the stamp of approval when she offered up these puppies as Pure Bred Yorkie's for Sale! Clearly.... She was mistaken! And if she is a reputable breeder as she claims to be than she should want to do what she can to rectify the situation and save face.

These ladies are entitled to some kind of settlement do to the breeders (in my opinion) bold face lie. Good Luck ladies...

I'm glad that the pups are in good family homes and is doing well.

[gemy]

I thought it was pertinent to post this on this thread, as I've read here about Yorkies being sold for $300 or $400.

All and I do mean all breeding stock needs to be tested for certain diseases prior to being bred, and some tests need to be repeated annually or biannually.

Full blood panel
Brucellosis**prior breeding
LP - OFA
Hip and Knee OFA
CERF ** repeated annually
Heart and Thryoid
Hyperurocosuria

Now how much do you think this costs per dog? Anywhere from $700 to $1000 depending on where you live, and if you can acquire these tests more reasonably at Health Clinics run at either shows, or some specially breed sponsored health days.

These tests are well beyond the "normal" wellness checks a vet regularly does, and often require the use of specialists to do.

So let's do some number crunching shall we? If the average size of a Yorkie litter is 4, and remember many will have 3 or 2 or 1, then for your first litter the costs for prebreeding is anywhere from $1400 to $2000 for the breeding pair. Divided by 4 is $500 per dog at the higher end or $350 at the lower end. The costs only go up if the litter is smaller, and there is a good chance it will be.

Now your bitch is pregnant, what are the costs to insure her health over the whelping time? The supplies you need? Oh lets call it $500 or so.

She has her puppies, what are the costs for the 2-3 vet visits, the prelim shots, and the LS testing on each pup? What is the cost of food for 3+ months? Perhaps $100-$150 per pup

So your first litter baring emergencies for pups or dam is on a four litter is anywhere from $700 to $1000 per pup.

So you are going to get a pup for $300 or $400 or even $500. This would not even come close to cover the cost of those pups, never mind if you as a good breeder warrant and give a meaningfull health guarantee on each pup you sell.

Of course the costs go down dramatically if you as a breeder skip all that expensive and pesky health testing, and offer no health guarantee.

Not included in these costs are the costs to purchase your show dogs, to show and champion them.

A bargain at $300??? for a Yorkie. Not a bargain, merely a time bomb

[Rhetts_mama]

Another excellent post by Gemy.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Crystal's words and ads say puppy mill breeder/seller to me.

[smyrfette]

Originally Posted by gemy

I thought it was pertinent to post this on this thread, as I've read here about Yorkies being sold for $300 or $400.

All and I do mean all breeding stock needs to be tested for certain diseases prior to being bred, and some tests need to be repeated annually or biannually.

Full blood panel
Brucellosis**prior breeding
LP - OFA
Hip and Knee OFA
CERF ** repeated annually
Heart and Thryoid
Hyperurocosuria

Now how much do you think this costs per dog? Anywhere from $700 to $1000 depending on where you live, and if you can acquire these tests more reasonably at Health Clinics run at either shows, or some specially breed sponsored health days.

These tests are well beyond the "normal" wellness checks a vet regularly does, and often require the use of specialists to do.

So let's do some number crunching shall we? If the average size of a Yorkie litter is 4, and remember many will have 3 or 2 or 1, then for your first litter the costs for prebreeding is anywhere from $1400 to $2000 for the breeding pair. Divided by 4 is $500 per dog at the higher end or $350 at the lower end. The costs only go up if the litter is smaller, and there is a good chance it will be.

Now your bitch is pregnant, what are the costs to insure her health over the whelping time? The supplies you need? Oh lets call it $500 or so.

She has her puppies, what are the costs for the 2-3 vet visits, the prelim shots, and the LS testing on each pup? What is the cost of food for 3+ months? Perhaps $100-$150 per pup

So your first litter baring emergencies for pups or dam is on a four litter is anywhere from $700 to $1000 per pup.

So you are going to get a pup for $300 or $400 or even $500. This would not even come close to cover the cost of those pups, never mind if you as a good breeder warrant and give a meaningfull health guarantee on each pup you sell.

Of course the costs go down dramatically if you as a breeder skip all that expensive and pesky health testing, and offer no health guarantee.

Not included in these costs are the costs to purchase your show dogs, to show and champion them.

A bargain at $300??? for a Yorkie. Not a bargain, merely a time bomb

I agree 300 is low unless you are buying an older dog and even then some charge more.

I was born in etobicoke twp

In a heart beat I'd take on a puppy from someone who put that much care into bettering the breed.

I remember back 8 years ago when my sister was wanting a maltese in canada. I interviewed the breeders for her and finally found hers my brother in law was not so fond of my find of a $1200 dog.

now he'd pay a million for him..lol

He now understands why I pretty much fired a few before question 3 and then finding his wonderful breeder.

She was always there for them through any little panic.

[gemy]

[QUOTE=smyrfette;3442276]I agree 300 is low unless you are buying an older dog and even then some charge more.

I was born in etobicoke twp

In a heart beat I'd take on a puppy from someone who put that much care into bettering the breed.

I remember back 8 years ago when my sister was wanting a maltese in canada. I interviewed the breeders for her and finally found hers my brother in law was not so fond of my find of a $1200 dog.

now he'd pay a million for him..lol

He now understands why I pretty much fired a few before question 3 and then finding his wonderful breeder.

She was always there for them through any little panic.[/QUOTE]

And that is one caveat of the concerned and caring breeder. They willing share and encourage their puppy owners to come to them with every little or big problem. They should be a font of knowledge, and guidance to their owners.

This kind of "aftercare" is priceless.

[concretegurl]

Excellent point-and that's the minimum stuff if all goes right...why I'll become a breeder after 20 years research and winning the lotto!

Originally Posted by gemy

I thought it was pertinent to post this on this thread, as I've read here about Yorkies being sold for $300 or $400.

All and I do mean all breeding stock needs to be tested for certain diseases prior to being bred, and some tests need to be repeated annually or biannually.

Full blood panel
Brucellosis**prior breeding
LP - OFA
Hip and Knee OFA
CERF ** repeated annually
Heart and Thryoid
Hyperurocosuria

Now how much do you think this costs per dog? Anywhere from $700 to $1000 depending on where you live, and if you can acquire these tests more reasonably at Health Clinics run at either shows, or some specially breed sponsored health days.

These tests are well beyond the "normal" wellness checks a vet regularly does, and often require the use of specialists to do.

So let's do some number crunching shall we? If the average size of a Yorkie litter is 4, and remember many will have 3 or 2 or 1, then for your first litter the costs for prebreeding is anywhere from $1400 to $2000 for the breeding pair. Divided by 4 is $500 per dog at the higher end or $350 at the lower end. The costs only go up if the litter is smaller, and there is a good chance it will be.

Now your bitch is pregnant, what are the costs to insure her health over the whelping time? The supplies you need? Oh lets call it $500 or so.

She has her puppies, what are the costs for the 2-3 vet visits, the prelim shots, and the LS testing on each pup? What is the cost of food for 3+ months? Perhaps $100-$150 per pup

So your first litter baring emergencies for pups or dam is on a four litter is anywhere from $700 to $1000 per pup.

So you are going to get a pup for $300 or $400 or even $500. This would not even come close to cover the cost of those pups, never mind if you as a good breeder warrant and give a meaningfull health guarantee on each pup you sell.

Of course the costs go down dramatically if you as a breeder skip all that expensive and pesky health testing, and offer no health guarantee.

Not included in these costs are the costs to purchase your show dogs, to show and champion them.

A bargain at $300??? for a Yorkie. Not a bargain, merely a time bomb

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Dzbabykel

My apologies for saying I "liked" what she said...I guess I read it and chaulked it up to be a huge misunderstanding as it sounded like she really cared for animals and took them in to find them better homes (that was the part I liked). I'm in no way a breeder so it was ignorant of me to think that she meant no ill will, guess I'm too trusting. Like I said I meant nothing by it and guess I misunderstood her post myself....hope I didn't offend anyone

I sure wasn't mad at you! I just wanted to point out all the things I thought you might have been missing. That breeder makes me so angry and sick to my stomach that it made me sound rude and angry in my post to you. I figured that you probably were just being sweet and didn't really see her for the filth that she is. sorry if i came across upset with you. it's defin. not you it's all that nasty breeder's fault and her my anger is directed at.

[joannamarie6]

I looked at Ana's registration for her pup, and the parents aren't the same. So there is still a chance Macy is at least part Yorkie!
Sire: YORKSOTIC MARLEY'S LITTLE YANCEY
Dam: YORKSOTIC LITTLE MISSEY PRISS
Keep your fingers crossed!