Need Expert Yorkie Opinion

[Dzbabykel]

Originally Posted by joannamarie6

I do love her with all my heart, I could never give her away or trade her for another. She is a little social butterfly, she loves everyone. She's not much of a watch dog haha. I did my best to socialize her as a pup so she wouldn't be afraid, boy did that work! She is fearless and loves to harass the black lab next door. He just sits there and takes it and she jumps all over him and licks his face. She is priceless. It is basically the principle that I did not get what I paid for. My fiance, who did not want a dog at all, has admitted he loves her and couldn't give her up. Her new thing that makes us all laugh happens when she stand by the door and whines to go out. He or I will then ask if she needs to go out, and in response she starts spinning circles! ADORABLE! If only I had half of her energy!

I'm so sorry you went through this and I'm sure feeling ripped off is horrible, but remember you DO have a wonderful, loving little puppy that I'm sure you wouldn't trade for the world. In the long scheme of things....you really didn't pay that much. I thought I was paying a low price for my Oliver at $1,000, and that doesn't include initial vet bills, etc. so take this as a learning experience and be thankful you didn't invest more than you did Can't wait to see pictures of your little one, I'm sure she's a doll baby!!

[CrystalYorkie]

Letter From Crystal Hardacker

A couple of my yorkie friends guided me to this thread, so I will respond.

Anastacea-- I am very sorry you are not happy with your pup, and that DNA is showing it is not a purebred. The parents lines on that puppy were bought as purebred registered yorkies, and to the best of my knowledge, are purebred. If this is not the case, I am truly sorry for this, and I have paid for registered dogs that are not purebred and were mixed somewhere down the line before I purchased them. I would never knowingly sell a mix as a purebred dog. Why would I? It would only create problems and lawsuits for me. Even a good registry like AKC does not DNA every litter with the parents, so it is possible to get registered dogs that are not pure. I found this out years ago when a male (not a yorkie) of mine had papers pulled because of DNA problems that happened a couple generations before I even bought the dog. It was eventually cleared up and proved to be purebred. I have offered to give you a full refund for the pup, and you have declined. Please contact me about this.

Junoline-- I know you are really freaked out by this, and of course you can have your deposit back. I return deposits if there is a good reason, or if I feel the pup will not be going to a good home where it will be loved. Please contact me and we can get your deposit back.

Joanna-- Sorry to hear you were so disappointed with your pup. Again, both parents are registered and to the best of my knowledge purebred. I have been raising dogs for around 20 years, and I know there are people out there that are hateful and upset with me because their $300 dog does not look like a $2000 show dog, but I realize everyone will not always be pleased with the way their pup turns out. You apparently have no idea what a bad breeder truly is. I once paid $1500 for a so called show quality dog, and it was crippled in both back legs at 6 months, and the breeder did nothing. Your bitching and whining about your $300 dog because it got bigger then you wanted is absolutely disgusting. I have seen yorkies with pure DNA that are around 20lbs with very different hair types and facial features on several occasions. Also, you make it sound like you have uncovered some kind of sinister conspiracy because I have seasonal homes in CA and CO. Get a life. Thankfully, for every one of you, there are far more people that send warm letters, cards, and photos of their new family member that they love.

This will be my only post on this forum, as I am not interested in bickering with people. This really is a terrific site for information on yorkies!

Thank you,

Crystal Hardacker

　
　

[babbsiam44]

[QUOTE=CrystalYorkie;3440898]Letter From Crystal Hardacker

A couple of my yorkie friends guided me to this thread, so I will respond.

Anastacea-- I am very sorry you are not happy with your pup, and that DNA is showing it is not a purebred. The parents lines on that puppy were bought as purebred registered yorkies, and to the best of my knowledge, are purebred. If this is not the case, I am truly sorry for this, and I have paid for registered dogs that are not purebred and were mixed somewhere down the line before I purchased them. I would never knowingly sell a mix as a purebred dog. Why would I? It would only create problems and lawsuits for me. Even a good registry like AKC does not DNA every litter with the parents, so it is possible to get registered dogs that are not pure. I found this out years ago when a male (not a yorkie) of mine had papers pulled because of DNA problems that happened a couple generations before I even bought the dog. It was eventually cleared up and proved to be purebred. I have offered to give you a full refund for the pup, and you have declined. Please contact me about this.

Junoline-- I know you are really freaked out by this, and of course you can have your deposit back. I return deposits if there is a good reason, or if I feel the pup will not be going to a good home where it will be loved. Please contact me and we can get your deposit back.

Joanna-- Sorry to hear you were so disappointed with your pup. Again, both parents are registered and to the best of my knowledge purebred. I have been raising dogs for around 20 years, and I know there are people out there that are hateful and upset with me because their $300 dog does not look like a $2000 show dog, but I realize everyone will not always be pleased with the way their pup turns out. You apparently have no idea what a bad breeder truly is. I once paid $1500 for a so called show quality dog, and it was crippled in both back legs at 6 months, and the breeder did nothing. Your bitching and whining about your $300 dog because it got bigger then you wanted is absolutely disgusting. I have seen yorkies with pure DNA that are around 20lbs with very different hair types and facial features on several occasions. Also, you make it sound like you have uncovered some kind of sinister conspiracy because I have seasonal homes in CA and CO. Get a life. Thankfully, for every one of you, there are far more people that send warm letters, cards, and photos of their new family member that they love.

This will be my only post on this forum, as I am not interested in bickering with people. This really is a terrific site for information on yorkies!

Thank you,


Crystal Hardacker

　
　Crystal--who cares if this is your only post but I have to say. The bitching and whining is NOT disgusting. What is amazing is there are three people up here that you have sold to and ALL THREE are disgusted by your breeding practices! In all three instances they have the same complaint and yet you keep breeding the same dogs. Shame on you!!!

anastacea--is it true what she said that she would gove your money back. All three of you need to pursue your refunds.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by CrystalYorkie

Letter From Crystal Hardacker

A couple of my yorkie friends guided me to this thread, so I will respond.

Anastacea-- I am very sorry you are not happy with your pup, and that DNA is showing it is not a purebred. The parents lines on that puppy were bought as purebred registered yorkies, and to the best of my knowledge, are purebred. If this is not the case, I am truly sorry for this, and I have paid for registered dogs that are not purebred and were mixed somewhere down the line before I purchased them. I would never knowingly sell a mix as a purebred dog. Why would I? It would only create problems and lawsuits for me. Even a good registry like AKC does not DNA every litter with the parents, so it is possible to get registered dogs that are not pure. I found this out years ago when a male (not a yorkie) of mine had papers pulled because of DNA problems that happened a couple generations before I even bought the dog. It was eventually cleared up and proved to be purebred. I have offered to give you a full refund for the pup, and you have declined. Please contact me about this.

Junoline-- I know you are really freaked out by this, and of course you can have your deposit back. I return deposits if there is a good reason, or if I feel the pup will not be going to a good home where it will be loved. Please contact me and we can get your deposit back.

Joanna-- Sorry to hear you were so disappointed with your pup. Again, both parents are registered and to the best of my knowledge purebred. I have been raising dogs for around 20 years, and I know there are people out there that are hateful and upset with me because their $300 dog does not look like a $2000 show dog, but I realize everyone will not always be pleased with the way their pup turns out. You apparently have no idea what a bad breeder truly is. I once paid $1500 for a so called show quality dog, and it was crippled in both back legs at 6 months, and the breeder did nothing. Your bitching and whining about your $300 dog because it got bigger then you wanted is absolutely disgusting. I have seen yorkies with pure DNA that are around 20lbs with very different hair types and facial features on several occasions. Also, you make it sound like you have uncovered some kind of sinister conspiracy because I have seasonal homes in CA and CO. Get a life. Thankfully, for every one of you, there are far more people that send warm letters, cards, and photos of their new family member that they love.

This will be my only post on this forum, as I am not interested in bickering with people. This really is a terrific site for information on yorkies!

Thank you,

Crystal Hardacker

　
　

I must say that this is the first coherent, well written post I've seen from a defensive point of a reviewed breeder. So kudos to Crystal for that. It is actually refreshing to see. There was no run on paragraphs, lack of punctuation, screaming, angry tone, etc. that is all too common.

Those of you who are currently dealing with Ms. Hardacker, please let us know how it turns out. It seems from her post she wants to make it right and had no malicious intent. Please let us know how it all goes and if this is actually the case.

It is good to see both sides of the story. I hope it works out for all parties involved, breeder included.

[joannamarie6]

I truly hope that I am wrong! I hope that the test confirms that Macy is 100% Yorkshire Terrier and I am losing my mind. If anyone knows a more dependable DNA test out there, please let me know. Until the breed results come back about Macy, it's up in the air. My goal in joining this site was to at least warn people of the possible outcomes of purchasing puppies from Crystal.

Like I said, I truly hope I am wrong.

[anastacea]

[quote=babbsiam44;3440920]

Originally Posted by CrystalYorkie

Letter From Crystal Hardacker

A couple of my yorkie friends guided me to this thread, so I will respond.

Anastacea-- I am very sorry you are not happy with your pup, and that DNA is showing it is not a purebred. The parents lines on that puppy were bought as purebred registered yorkies, and to the best of my knowledge, are purebred. If this is not the case, I am truly sorry for this, and I have paid for registered dogs that are not purebred and were mixed somewhere down the line before I purchased them. I would never knowingly sell a mix as a purebred dog. Why would I? It would only create problems and lawsuits for me. Even a good registry like AKC does not DNA every litter with the parents, so it is possible to get registered dogs that are not pure. I found this out years ago when a male (not a yorkie) of mine had papers pulled because of DNA problems that happened a couple generations before I even bought the dog. It was eventually cleared up and proved to be purebred. I have offered to give you a full refund for the pup, and you have declined. Please contact me about this.

Junoline-- I know you are really freaked out by this, and of course you can have your deposit back. I return deposits if there is a good reason, or if I feel the pup will not be going to a good home where it will be loved. Please contact me and we can get your deposit back.

Joanna-- Sorry to hear you were so disappointed with your pup. Again, both parents are registered and to the best of my knowledge purebred. I have been raising dogs for around 20 years, and I know there are people out there that are hateful and upset with me because their $300 dog does not look like a $2000 show dog, but I realize everyone will not always be pleased with the way their pup turns out. You apparently have no idea what a bad breeder truly is. I once paid $1500 for a so called show quality dog, and it was crippled in both back legs at 6 months, and the breeder did nothing. Your bitching and whining about your $300 dog because it got bigger then you wanted is absolutely disgusting. I have seen yorkies with pure DNA that are around 20lbs with very different hair types and facial features on several occasions. Also, you make it sound like you have uncovered some kind of sinister conspiracy because I have seasonal homes in CA and CO. Get a life. Thankfully, for every one of you, there are far more people that send warm letters, cards, and photos of their new family member that they love.

This will be my only post on this forum, as I am not interested in bickering with people. This really is a terrific site for information on yorkies!

Thank you,


Crystal Hardacker

　
　Crystal--who cares if this is your only post but I have to say. The bitching and whining is NOT disgusting. What is amazing is there are three people up here that you have sold to and ALL THREE are disgusted by your breeding practices! In all three instances they have the same complaint and yet you keep breeding the same dogs. Shame on you!!!

anastacea--is it true what she said that she would gove your money back. All three of you need to pursue your refunds.

Yes, she offered to give me a refund for the dog, which does not include the costs I paid for DNA testing. I would also have to drive 90 miles to return the dog. I've mentioned this in previous posts. I do not want to return the dog because the dog has become part of my family. I just want to pay a fair price for a mixed breed dog. Crystal I will send you a private message.

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I must say that this is the first coherent, well written post I've seen from a defensive point of a reviewed breeder. So kudos to Crystal for that. It is actually refreshing to see. There was no run on paragraphs, lack of punctuation, screaming, angry tone, etc. that is all too common.

Those of you who are currently dealing with Ms. Hardacker, please let us know how it turns out. It seems from her post she wants to make it right and had no malicious intent. Please let us know how it all goes and if this is actually the case.

It is good to see both sides of the story. I hope it works out for all parties involved, breeder included.

Yes, I would imagine she would try to defend her position. This is a popular website that has the ability to destroy her breeding reputation and ability to sell dogs in the future.

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by anastacea

Yes, she offered to give me a refund for the dog, which does not include the costs I paid for DNA testing. I would also have to drive 90 miles to return the dog. I've mentioned this in previous posts. I do not want to return the dog because the dog has become part of my family. EDIT: I just want to pay a fair price for a mixed breed dog. Crystal I will send you a private message.

I really shouldn't pay a dime since I was frauded.

[babbsiam44]

Yes, she offered to give me a refund for the dog, which does not include the costs I paid for DNA testing. I would also have to drive 90 miles to return the dog. I've mentioned this in previous posts. I do not want to return the dog because the dog has become part of my family. I just want to pay a fair price for a mixed breed dog. Crystal I will send you a private message.

anastacea--In a few posts back I wrote something to you about what you rcv'd was priceless. I just gets my goat when someone comes up here, knowing their dogs aren't pure and selling them as such, and continues to do so.

I am sorry I go a little overboard, but it is nothing I wouldn't do every day of the week. As I said before fraud is fraud and she was fully aware of what she did.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by CrystalYorkie

Letter From Crystal Hardacker

A couple of my yorkie friends guided me to this thread, so I will respond.

Anastacea-- I am very sorry you are not happy with your pup, and that DNA is showing it is not a purebred. The parents lines on that puppy were bought as purebred registered yorkies, and to the best of my knowledge, are purebred. If this is not the case, I am truly sorry for this, and I have paid for registered dogs that are not purebred and were mixed somewhere down the line before I purchased them. I would never knowingly sell a mix as a purebred dog. Why would I? It would only create problems and lawsuits for me. Even a good registry like AKC does not DNA every litter with the parents, so it is possible to get registered dogs that are not pure. I found this out years ago when a male (not a yorkie) of mine had papers pulled because of DNA problems that happened a couple generations before I even bought the dog. It was eventually cleared up and proved to be purebred. I have offered to give you a full refund for the pup, and you have declined. Please contact me about this.

Junoline-- I know you are really freaked out by this, and of course you can have your deposit back. I return deposits if there is a good reason, or if I feel the pup will not be going to a good home where it will be loved. Please contact me and we can get your deposit back.

Joanna-- Sorry to hear you were so disappointed with your pup. Again, both parents are registered and to the best of my knowledge purebred. I have been raising dogs for around 20 years, and I know there are people out there that are hateful and upset with me because their $300 dog does not look like a $2000 show dog, but I realize everyone will not always be pleased with the way their pup turns out. You apparently have no idea what a bad breeder truly is. I once paid $1500 for a so called show quality dog, and it was crippled in both back legs at 6 months, and the breeder did nothing. Your bitching and whining about your $300 dog because it got bigger then you wanted is absolutely disgusting. I have seen yorkies with pure DNA that are around 20lbs with very different hair types and facial features on several occasions. Also, you make it sound like you have uncovered some kind of sinister conspiracy because I have seasonal homes in CA and CO. Get a life. Thankfully, for every one of you, there are far more people that send warm letters, cards, and photos of their new family member that they love.

This will be my only post on this forum, as I am not interested in bickering with people. This really is a terrific site for information on yorkies!

Thank you,

Crystal Hardacker

　
　

It is somewhat refreshing to see a breeder come on, to communicate with her puppy buyers, in a direct way that mostly is not too derogatory of her puppy buyers.

Whilst I know that you said you would not post again, and that is fine by me, I do so hope you take the time, to read up on the Yorkie here, and to see "first hand" some of the experiences buyers have had with "breeders" of Yorkies. For a real eye opener go to the Sick and Emergency thread.

Now onto your response to Anastacea: I know it is quite common to ask for a return of the puppy by many by certainly not all breeders; once your puppy owner has bonded with your pup, agrees to provide the health care required and to love this pup; then an alternative to return really does need to be offered. Please consider this.

Consider also that this DNA testing of her dog, did NOT show Yorkie in any major way at all in this dog. That should give you considerable pause. A couple of possible scenarios come to mind, but as the breeder I'm sure you will want to have this breeding pair DNA tested, first to establish if indeed they are the parents of this pup, and secondly to establish what proportion if any of Yorkie is actually in their genes. ONce your have the answers to those questions, then I'm sure you are quite capable of taking this up with the breeder(s) who supplied you with this breeding pair. In the interim of course this breeding pair should not be bred again, until their provenance is established clearly.
You warranted and sold as purebreed a mixed breed dog, an honest or not error that needs to be rectified, to all the purchasers of this particular litter, not just this one poster.

In respect to Joanna; she expected to purchase a Yorkshire Terrier that has been bred to standard. This standard is set by the YTCA and approved by the AKC. The standard sets the weight out at maximum of 7 lbs. A 20 pound dog is significantly over this standard. A $300 dog if that is the price you sell your purebreds at, as a purebred should be a good healthy representation of the breed. That includes size, color, coat and temperament. The buyer should ask for and expect as a good breeder, that you health check - prescreening breeding tests, special tests for the Yorkie breed, and that both sire and dam have passed these tests. If you are unfamiliar with the range of what needs to be done, there are threads on here that delineate that: also you can go to www.chic.org, and look up the very basic requirements there for this breed.

And for your information a show "quality" dog is ususally never purchased prior to 6 months old; maybe show promise not quality. LP is usually evident in pups as young as 8-10 wks old, and as a breeder of YT's you should already know how to check for this. All I can say about this breeder "doingnothing" for a crippled dog, is you "buy" your breeder first and then your puppy; that is a caveat for the pet owner, it is triply so for breeding/show quality dogs.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by anastacea

Yes, I would imagine she would try to defend her position. This is a popular website that has the ability to destroy her breeding reputation and ability to sell dogs in the future.

I wasn't saying that you were wrong in anyway or that I condoned anything one way or the other. All I was getting at is how she wasn't totally and completely rude in her response or almost unreadable. We see that a lot from breeder defense responses. They are basically angry and mean and just a bunch of nonsense. I just wanted to point out that she at least took the time to express her position intelligibly.

I'm not saying she should have sold you what she did or that it is viable she didn't know they weren't purebred. I'm just saying she at least came on here for the most part without an attitude, which was refreshing.

I still stand by that I hope this works out for all parties involved. There are a lot of legalities involved here and, while I don't think what is *right* will necessarily happen as that is not required by law, I do hope that some things will be resolved.

[YorkieRose]

To the breeder of this puppy....Crystal. Can you in all honesty look at this pup and not know it is a mix. IMO there is no excuse for not knowing..all you have to do is read the standard and look at pictures of Yorkies...I learned that the first week.

If I made a mistake as huge as this, I would return the cost of the puppy and allow the pet owner to keep it..we all know it is a breeders best ploy to offer a refund if the buyer returns the pup...few ever do this and the breeder gets to keep the money...

Turn this situation around..How would you like to be treated in this same exact situation...would you want to return your pet? You can never go worng treating others fair and the way you would like to be treated.

[concretegurl]

1. I really have to agree, I too am pretty darn amazed at her response-calm, collected, seemed accurate and fair-well almost she wants to have a mix breed returned to her for a refund-hm if you were a pure-breed breeder with 20 plus years experience, you'd be embarrassed and refund and then be very apologetic ending that line...it wasn't even Yorkie period-this is all just me giving my opinion in an open forum I've no idea the standard or the legal issues I believe it is that the pup has to be returned but hm ethics vs the law to me...I kept my epileptic dog and lost my money...and had to deal with a lady who was so sweet and nice prior, who turn evil nasty and very manipulative on me...so I'm bias I suppose.

2. Too bad she doesn't seem more shocked about it being a mix breed pup though...telling to me....but maybe she should chalk it up to a petted out dog cost of doing business-I would...I am concerned she seems sooo iffy over the line she breeds saying "to the best of her knowledge" uh if you breed them you better darn well know..unless you are a sub-par breeder...and if you have bred for 20 plus year you know darn well the implications of using CKC (Continental not Canadian) registry...but then again if you were sanctioned by the AKC...anyone find out about that?

3. Being peeved with a buyer complaining about size-I'm with her there-but did she not screen buyers and talk to them comprehensively enough to explain breed variations, and that they are buying a pet not a show dog? Then again...let's all see what the DNA results are on that one too...but she could offer to take the pup back for its well being. That buyer had more concerns than just that issue though and those weren't responded to...please keep us posted of the results when you get them back. Breeders concern themselves with who they yes sell, sell, their pups to, Greeders just sell pups...that's my rule on it there...

I'm shocked at the responses of the buyers too- I know you're all mad and feel well taken for your money, some of you rightfully so...but wanting some of the compensation that they do, shocks me Return travel, and DNA tests etc back...where's the asking for initial vet costs-or do they understand that's not covered-? Did you get a sales contract stating that? If so WOW that's so rare! If you didn't want to pay for return then you should have gotten a dog next door, I can't believe the missing work is listed-I missed work knew I'd never be compensated for vet bills, etc...I think there needs to be an expected and a realistic assessment of risk and loss done here...these are really standard expenses incurred-I think new pet owners need to research a lot more I know many say they do but if they did they wouldn't be adopting a pup under 12 weeks, they probably wouldn't be getting a CKC registered pup, they'd have met with the breeder, they'd understand some basic concerns with this breed and they'd know that some of what they are asking for is pretty much non-existent in the "industry"but hey we all make decisions based on the illusion of trusting someone imposed by them or ourselves as well as the want emotions especially when it comes to a puppy! I can't say with what little I've learned over the last couple years and what I've been through I'd be able to say not if a pup was just handed to me...but know many people out there prey on this in people.

But then again if someone is selling mixed breed pups as purebred (weather they admit to knowing it or not) and saying things like "to the best of my knowledge" I hope you all take this to court...fraud is fraud, hope those that have pups get to keep them regardless, and that some more in-depth research will be done on all sides, again I think the response from this breeder was the best I've ever seen and makes me ponder a bit, but from what little I read on her and her track record, stuff posted by buyers, I'd never go to her for a pup...

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

I must say that this is the first coherent, well written post I've seen from a defensive point of a reviewed breeder. So kudos to Crystal for that. It is actually refreshing to see. There was no run on paragraphs, lack of punctuation, screaming, angry tone, etc. that is all too common.

Those of you who are currently dealing with Ms. Hardacker, please let us know how it turns out. It seems from her post she wants to make it right and had no malicious intent. Please let us know how it all goes and if this is actually the case.

It is good to see both sides of the story. I hope it works out for all parties involved, breeder included.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

To the breeder of this puppy....Crystal. Can you in all honesty look at this pup and not know it is a mix. IMO there is no excuse for not knowing..all you have to do is read the standard and look at pictures of Yorkies...I learned that the first week.

If I made a mistake as huge as this, I would return the cost of the puppy and allow the pet owner to keep it..we all know it is a breeders best ploy to offer a refund if the buyer returns the pup...few ever do this and the breeder gets to keep the money...

Turn this situation around..How would you like to be treated in this same exact situation...would you want to return your pet? You can never go worng treating others fair and the way you would like to be treated.

[joannamarie6]

All I want in this is the truth. I really don't care if I get my money back. I just want to know if she is selling the real-deal or not. If she is, I will absolutely be the first to admit Macy is purebred and apologize. I just joined this yesterday to warn others of my experience, which may be atypical. I do understand that there are many variations of Yorkies. I have heard of some up to 15 pounds. I know their coats can take up to two years to fully develop. I have done my research. However, I should have known the price may be too good to be true. I was not expecting a "show dog" quality, but somewhere close would have been nice. Again, I hate to jump the gun and say Macy isn't purebred. But she has such long legs and long body (which does happen!) along with the rounded ears, I just doubt what type of dog I really have.

I can say that Crystal does provide very healthy and happy puppies, at least in my case. Macy has been a breeze to care for thus far and I thank her for that. Macy's future isn't in question at all, it is simply the issue of if I really have a purebred or not.