Need Expert Yorkie Opinion

[Junoline]

Well I'm glad I will be getting back my refund. Buy puppy is such a mess.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by gemy

It is somewhat refreshing to see a breeder come on, to communicate with her puppy buyers, in a direct way that mostly is not too derogatory of her puppy buyers.

Whilst I know that you said you would not post again, and that is fine by me, I do so hope you take the time, to read up on the Yorkie here, and to see "first hand" some of the experiences buyers have had with "breeders" of Yorkies. For a real eye opener go to the Sick and Emergency thread.

Now onto your response to Anastacea: I know it is quite common to ask for a return of the puppy by many by certainly not all breeders; once your puppy owner has bonded with your pup, agrees to provide the health care required and to love this pup; then an alternative to return really does need to be offered. Please consider this.

Consider also that this DNA testing of her dog, did NOT show Yorkie in any major way at all in this dog. That should give you considerable pause. A couple of possible scenarios come to mind, but as the breeder I'm sure you will want to have this breeding pair DNA tested, first to establish if indeed they are the parents of this pup, and secondly to establish what proportion if any of Yorkie is actually in their genes. ONce your have the answers to those questions, then I'm sure you are quite capable of taking this up with the breeder(s) who supplied you with this breeding pair. In the interim of course this breeding pair should not be bred again, until their provenance is established clearly.
You warranted and sold as purebreed a mixed breed dog, an honest or not error that needs to be rectified, to all the purchasers of this particular litter, not just this one poster.

In respect to Joanna; she expected to purchase a Yorkshire Terrier that has been bred to standard. This standard is set by the YTCA and approved by the AKC. The standard sets the weight out at maximum of 7 lbs. A 20 pound dog is significantly over this standard. A $300 dog if that is the price you sell your purebreds at, as a purebred should be a good healthy representation of the breed. That includes size, color, coat and temperament. The buyer should ask for and expect as a good breeder, that you health check - prescreening breeding tests, special tests for the Yorkie breed, and that both sire and dam have passed these tests. If you are unfamiliar with the range of what needs to be done, there are threads on here that delineate that: also you can go to www.chic.org, and look up the very basic requirements there for this breed.

And for your information a show "quality" dog is ususally never purchased prior to 6 months old; maybe show promise not quality. LP is usually evident in pups as young as 8-10 wks old, and as a breeder of YT's you should already know how to check for this. All I can say about this breeder "doingnothing" for a crippled dog, is you "buy" your breeder first and then your puppy; that is a caveat for the pet owner, it is triply so for breeding/show quality dogs.

Beautifully said.

I would like to add that although most of Crystal's post was fairly calm, I think a breeder who tells a potential buyer to "get a life" is one that should probably be avoided.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Junoline

Well I'm glad I will be getting back my refund. Buy puppy is such a mess.

Good to know this was the result and that she returns refunds...glad updates of the aftermath are being posted...it is nice to hear both sides.

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Beautifully said.

I would like to add that although most of Crystal's post was fairly calm, I think a breeder who tells a potential buyer to "get a life" is one that should probably be avoided.

I second this poster. I agree with the Gemy's statement being very well said and I did think Crystal's response to Joanna was somewhat rude and indifferent. Crystal can be calm and collected and seems to have answers to many arguments--I believe that is how she is able to deceive people. However, don't be fooled it is only to save her reputation.

I also know that Crystal intentionally sold me a mixed breed dog. I have proof that she is dishonest. On the phone, when we called and told her the DNA results showed that our dog is a Silky Terrier and Shih Tzu mix, her response was "I don't have those dogs"

Yet, I found a listing on Craigslist posted January 5, 2011 that she is selling 1 male adult shih tzu for $40.00 OBO. Therefore, she clearly lied, and she does have at least 1 adult male shih tzu (possibly the father of Nibbler). However, the father is not even a pure bred shih tzu. So either she has others, or the 1 adult male she is selling is a mix as well.

I have offered to settle with her out of court, but I have not received a response.

[concretegurl]

You should post that craig's list link...or copy/paste it as a doc and attach it here...as it will most likely be removed soon...

Originally Posted by anastacea

I second this poster. I agree with the Gemy's statement being very well said and I did think Crystal's response to Joanna was somewhat rude and indifferent. Crystal can be calm and collected and seems to have answers to many arguments--I believe that is how she is able to deceive people. However, don't be fooled it is only to save her reputation.

I also know that Crystal intentionally sold me a mixed breed dog. I have proof that she is dishonest. On the phone, when we called and told her the DNA results showed that our dog is a Silky Terrier and Shih Tzu mix, her response was "I don't have those dogs"

Yet, I found a listing on Craigslist posted January 5, 2011 that she is selling 1 male adult shih tzu for $40.00 OBO. Therefore, she clearly lied, and she does have at least 1 adult male shih tzu (possibly the father of Nibbler). However, the father is not even a pure bred shih tzu. So either she has others, or the 1 adult male she is selling is a mix as well.

I have offered to settle with her out of court, but I have not received a response.

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

You should post that craig's list link...or copy/paste it as a doc and attach it here...as it will most likely be removed soon...

Inland Empire - Shih Tzu
shih tzu adult dog (romoland)
Wednesday, January 05, 2011
We have to good home 1 male adult shih tzu for 40.00 OBO no checks. shots done. owner cant keep call 951-230-7086

The ad is already deleted. But, I printed a copy.


This posting has been deleted by its author.

(The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)

[concretegurl]

Wow she steadily sells lots of pups and does sell several many breeds...but lists herself as a "small hobby breeder"

http://www.puppyfind.com/l/?acct_id=...bc3ea2a23847ba

http://www.gotapuppy.com/id41.html

Originally Posted by anastacea

Inland Empire - Shih Tzu
shih tzu adult dog (romoland)
Wednesday, January 05, 2011
We have to good home 1 male adult shih tzu for 40.00 OBO no checks. shots done. owner cant keep call 951-230-7086

The ad is already deleted. But, I printed a copy.


This posting has been deleted by its author.

(The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)

[Dzbabykel]

Wow what a mess It's just so sad on all accounts, either way I'm just glad ALL puppies are healthy, happy and seem to be in good homes! That's all that matters!!

[qnsryker]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

Since you are in CA, I would strongly suggest you get your hands on a copy of the Doggy Lemon Law for CA. You might be able to use this law against the Breeder to obtain a full refund and still keep your puppy!

I agree with everyone else, do not return this puppy to this Breeder...she will surely just scam another owner.

One of the first red flags you should have noted was the Breeder's price for a Yorkshire Terrier puppy.

Next...before you rush out to find another puppy, a Yorkshire Terrier...might I suggest you take your time getting to know the puppy you already have now. Your puppy needs your undivided attention right now.

Best of luck to you!

Just because a Yorkie doesn't cost $1000 or more doesn't mean it isn't purebred. I paid $450 for mine and he looks like a Yorkie and my vet said he was a great looking dog. I bought him from a breeder and my vet asked a lot of questions about the breeder and the puppies he had. She was pretty impressed with him because I'm sure they see a lot of puppies that come from breeders that are not well taken care of or are not the breed they are said to be. As for whether or not I got a purebred puppy for $450, well, who knows. He is papered (which we know doesn't mean anything) and he looks like a Yorkie to me!

[CrystalYorkie]

Letter From Crystal Hardacker, Part II
　
I have been reading the responses, and am impressed by the knowledge and suggestions of some of the board members. Thanks to those for taking the time to write in and try to help out.

Joanna-- Sorry if I was a little mean spirited on my response. Your puppy is from registered yorkies I purchased from another breeder, and if DNA testing proves otherwise, it is because these yorkies I bought for breeding are falsely papered. I buy reasonably priced dogs and raise puppies mainly for my enjoyment and sell the puppies priced so everyone can enjoy this breed. And yes, I do make a little money for my time. Any complaints against me regarding AKC are with issues regarding DNA problems I did not create, and I do not wish to spend my time fighting them. This is one of the reasons I use CKC now. PM me if your pup proves to be mixed, and I will make amends. As I have stated, I do not intentionally breed mix pups and sell them as pure.
　
Anastacea-- As a hobby, I take in unwanted animals and try to find homes for them so they are not destroyed. I also have many breeder friends that do not like to deal with the public (gee, I wonder why), and I do sometimes sell their mixed breed toy pups for them, so you will indeed find listings from various breeds and ages under my name. I once took in over 30 dogs on my property from an elderly breeder who could not care for them anymore, and with the help of others we managed to place all of them using various postings in 4 cities. You continue to make insults and call me a manipulative liar and are deaf to reason as to why your pup is showing mix DNA. You are a vindictive, obnoxious child, and I will see you in court. You know nothing about me, and I am tempted to sue you for slander and harassment. Do not call or e-mail me anymore with your hate and accusations. I would sooner give $10000 to animal cruelty and humane foundations (which I have been very generous with over the years) then give you one of my pups for free plus the $420 you are rudely demanding.

Once again, I am really enjoying the yorkie information on this website, and am learning much more about this wonderful breed. Thanks to all for taking the time to share your expertise!
　
　
Thank you,
　
Crystal Hardacker
　
　
　

[Dzbabykel]

Originally Posted by CrystalYorkie

Letter From Crystal Hardacker, Part II
　
I have been reading the responses, and am impressed by the knowledge and suggestions of some of the board members. Thanks to those for taking the time to write in and try to help out.

Joanna-- Sorry if I was a little mean spirited on my response. Your puppy is from registered yorkies I purchased from another breeder, and if DNA testing proves otherwise, it is because these yorkies I bought for breeding are falsely papered. I buy reasonably priced dogs and raise puppies mainly for my enjoyment and sell the puppies priced so everyone can enjoy this breed. And yes, I do make a little money for my time. Any complaints against me regarding AKC are with issues regarding DNA problems I did not create, and I do not wish to spend my time fighting them. This is one of the reasons I use CKC now. PM me if your pup proves to be mixed, and I will make amends. As I have stated, I do not intentionally breed mix pups and sell them as pure.
　
Anastacea-- As a hobby, I take in unwanted animals and try to find homes for them so they are not destroyed. I also have many breeder friends that do not like to deal with the public (gee, I wonder why), and I do sometimes sell their mixed breed toy pups for them, so you will indeed find listings from various breeds and ages under my name. I once took in over 30 dogs on my property from an elderly breeder who could not care for them anymore, and with the help of others we managed to place all of them using various postings in 4 cities. You continue to make insults and call me a manipulative liar and are deaf to reason as to why your pup is showing mix DNA. You are a vindictive, obnoxious child, and I will see you in court. You know nothing about me, and I am tempted to sue you for slander and harassment. Do not call or e-mail me anymore with your hate and accusations. I would sooner give $10000 to animal cruelty and humane foundations (which I have been very generous with over the years) then give you one of my pups for free plus the $420 you are rudely demanding.

Once again, I am really enjoying the yorkie information on this website, and am learning much more about this wonderful breed. Thanks to all for taking the time to share your expertise!
　
　
Thank you,
　
Crystal Hardacker
　
　
　

I think that was very well written and definitely explains a lot of the misunderstandings others had It really is always nice to hear the other side of things, like I said before....what's important is that all animals are healthy and in happy homes!!!

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by Dzbabykel

I think that was very well written and definitely explains a lot of the misunderstandings others had It really is always nice to hear the other side of things, like I said before....what's important is that all animals are healthy and in happy homes!!!

Wow, did you read what she wrote to me???? Simple fact of the matter, is she lied and said she didn't have a shih tzu dog (I have it on recording), when she does in fact. So what else is she lying about?

I just want my money back. So I guess we are off to court.

[anastacea]

Originally Posted by Dzbabykel

I think that was very well written and definitely explains a lot of the misunderstandings others had It really is always nice to hear the other side of things, like I said before....what's important is that all animals are healthy and in happy homes!!!

Wow, did you read what she wrote to me???? Simple fact of the matter, Crystal, you lied and said you didn't have a shih tzu dog (I have it on recording), when you in fact do. So what else are you lying about?

I just want my money back. I only came on this forum for support and to find the truth about my dog. I did not slander/libel against you. I only stated the facts of my situation. If you aren't aware, libel is a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person. That is not what I did. If you were or are unaware that you are breeding mixed dogs, then a refund is due accordingly. I believe, a simple apology and a refund would be the best route for you. I suggest you tread carefully on this forum. Arguing and pursuing legal actions, only deters potential buyers from your business.

I think gemy puts it best here:

Consider also that this DNA testing of her dog, did NOT show Yorkie in any major way at all in this dog. That should give you considerable pause. A couple of possible scenarios come to mind, but as the breeder I'm sure you will want to have this breeding pair DNA tested, first to establish if indeed they are the parents of this pup, and secondly to establish what proportion if any of Yorkie is actually in their genes. ONce your have the answers to those questions, then I'm sure you are quite capable of taking this up with the breeder(s) who supplied you with this breeding pair. In the interim of course this breeding pair should not be bred again, until their provenance is established clearly.
You warranted and sold as purebreed a mixed breed dog, an honest or not error that needs to be rectified, to all the purchasers of this particular litter, not just this one poster.

I recommend having both your sire and dam pulled from breeding and their DNA tested immediately. Also, a refund is due to myself and the other buyer that purchased a dog from this litter.

There were numerous people that saw the pictures of my dog, and majority said that my dog looks like a mixed breed.

I also do not understand why you are willing to make amends with Joanna, but not me? I called you very cordially and told you the results of the test. But, you were not willing to work with us. Why is that? It is because of your unwillingness to resolve this issue with us directly, that I had to ask for support from the community.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by CrystalYorkie

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Do not call or e-mail me anymore with your hate and accusations. I would sooner give $10000 to animal cruelty and humane foundations (which I have been very generous with over the years) then give you one of my pups for free plus the $420 you are rudely demanding.


　
　
　

Really? I would think that one would freely give to animal rights causes because they truly believe in the cause versus doing it as a spiteful gesture. That's just me, though.

[anastacea]

I would like to also add, that I personally would never begin to breed a dire and dam without first testing their purity. To me that is just common sense, and I don't have 20 years of breeding experience. Further, how can someone who has so much experience breeding yorkies, not recognize that the mother is a Silky Terrier? or whats more, the father is part shih tzu, with no traces of yorkshire terrier?