parti changing from white to blue

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Not that I feel that I owe anyone an explanation about anything, but here is a picture of one of the sires other offspring

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I have read on this very forum, where show breeders have said they have bred nonstandard dogs, because they had other features that they were breeding for. Now I assume that they knew that some of the offspring would have the "nonstandard" traits, but they also hoped that at least one would carry the traits that they were breeding for and not have the non standard traits.

And Yes I was taken when I was sold the dog with the wavy hair. But he has a gorgeous face and a nice compact sturdy body. This is a learning process.

Jeanie~ I love his adorable little face!

[AMD]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

What is her name? How long have you be showing with her?

Her name is Shimmer. I showed her for just over a year in conformation. She finished her AKC Championship this past August and I decided to retired her.

She is my first Yorkie, my first show dog so it was a huge learning curve but I had so much fun and have enjoyed everything I've learned. I am so proud of her.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by AMD

Her name is Shimmer. I showed her for just over a year in conformation. She finished her AKC Championship this past August and I decided to retired her.

She is my first Yorkie, my first show dog so it was a huge learning curve but I had so much fun and have enjoyed everything I've learned. I am so proud of her.

She is gorgeous! I went to your profile, hoping for more pics, but I guess we will have to be content with the one in your avatar. Looking at her and Radar just makes me realize WHY I wanted yorkies in the first place. I know I get crazy about the standard at times, but I do want to make sure we have beautiful dogs like yours to marvel at long into the future. She certainly does Shimmer!

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

...And Yes I was taken when I was sold the dog with the wavy hair. But he has a gorgeous face and a nice compact sturdy body. This is a learning process.

I guess that is what I do not understand Jeanie -- if you really feel "taken" then why would you use the dog as your breeding sire? (I am making no judgement on your dog, just using your words). I just don't understand why you would breed, if you are not satisfied with both the dam & sire. Why not wait until you do have what you do want? Those are the questions that come to mind. You don't owe me the answers, they are more for your own edification. I wish you well as you continue to improve! What a great goal for all of us -- continue to improve! I like it, nice motto for 2011!

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by AMD

Her name is Shimmer. I showed her for just over a year in conformation. She finished her AKC Championship this past August and I decided to retired her.

She is my first Yorkie, my first show dog so it was a huge learning curve but I had so much fun and have enjoyed everything I've learned. I am so proud of her.

She really is a beauty. Hope to see more pictures of her.

[AMD]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

She really is a beauty. Hope to see more pictures of her.

Thank You!
I will create an album as not to hijack this thread.

[Breezeaway]

Please all of us, stop judging because of color, hair type or texture. we all have yorkies. Yes, they are not all alike, but they are Yorkies.
Please this year, vow to be nice to your fellow members no matter what kind of yorkie they own. They love them just as much as you do.
Lets start the New Year in good way, Be nice to all yorkie owners, No matter if they aren't show quality, they are still someones baby.
Let us welcome all here and not judge.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Please all of us, stop judging because of color, hair type or texture. we all have yorkies. Yes, they are not all alike, but they are Yorkies.
Please this year, vow to be nice to your fellow members no matter what kind of yorkie they own. They love them just as much as you do.
Lets start the New Year in good way, Be nice to all yorkie owners, No matter if they aren't show quality, they are still someones baby.
Let us welcome all here and not judge.

Breezeway -- I did not think we even got to color on this thread. We got into a very detailed discussion of curly hairs. That sounds bad, now that I worded it like that.

-- I just refered you to a new member looking for parti/Biewer info. Maybe you can help: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ml#post3377387

Happy New Year!

[QuickSilver]

I apologize if I am taking this further off topic, but I found some of these articles on the genes behind hair curl very interesting.

First, I guess, there is a distinction between whether you're dealing with a dog breed known for curly hair, like, say a poodle, vs. a golden retriever. I would THINK that a yorkie would fall into light curl / straight, since many yorkies have curly coats (not like poodle curly though).

This is definitely not my area of expertise, so I am probably missing a lot of this. But I thought the articles presented were talking about how variants in three genes produced seven major coat types. HOWEVER, I don't think the yorkie coat type was described, unless I missed it.

Here's an excerpt on the 7 coat types:

- Short-haired dogs like basset hounds have none of the variant genes, just the ancestral form of each gene.
- Wire-haired dogs such as Australian terriers have the variant form of only the RSPO2 gene.
- Dogs with wiry and curly hair – airedale terriers, for example – have variants of both RSPO2 and KRT71 genes. <<Is this where the yorkie goes?>>
- Long-haired dogs like golden retrievers have a variant form of the FGF5 gene.
- Long-haired dogs with furnishings, such as the bearded collie, have variant forms of FGF5 and RSPO2.
- Curly haired dogs such as Irish water spaniels have the variant forms of the FGF5 and KRT71 genes.
- Curly haired dogs with furnishings – such as the bichon frise breed and some Portuguese water dogs, including President Obama's dog Bo – have the variant form of all three genes


Anyone care to elaborate? I love it when we get all sciency up in here.

[QuickSilver]

Also, from what I could tell, these articles did not discuss which coat types would be dominant *within a breed*.

[BaxtersMommy]

Curly, straight, white, grey, silver, blue....whatever. LOL Sure is pretty I know that, I guess the next time you can straighten the hair before you take a picture.

It is a very interesting question....I know with my yorkies their hair continually changes colors. Does this ever stop?

[jencar98]

IDK anything about the white changing to blue so won't comment on that. But, I do know a little about flat irons and the usage in showing. Many of these show dogs if bathed, and allowed to air dry would have a slight wave or curl to their coats especially towards their rear end. Although the flat iron is used for straightening after taking down wraps too, if these dogs weren't wrapped chances are the flat iron would have to be used anyway because of the slight wave to many yorkie coats.

There is a link on another thread to a page that is showing some of the famous yorkies from the days of when flat irons either weren't invented yet, or if there was a flat iron it's obvious the iron wasn't used on these dogs.

http://www.yorkshire-terrier.com/famous-peds.htm

[gemy]

Originally Posted by jencar98

IDK anything about the white changing to blue so won't comment on that. But, I do know a little about flat irons and the usage in showing. Many of these show dogs if bathed, and allowed to air dry would have a slight wave or curl to their coats especially towards their rear end. Although the flat iron is used for straightening after taking down wraps too, if these dogs weren't wrapped chances are the flat iron would have to be used anyway because of the slight wave to many yorkie coats.

There is a link on another thread to a page that is showing some of the famous yorkies from the days of when flat irons either weren't invented yet, or if there was a flat iron it's obvious the iron wasn't used on these dogs.

Ojibwa Yorkies

Interesting, went to that page and did a little research on the web about flat irons:

Fun Facts

<LI id=jsArticleStep1 itxtvisited="1">In 1909, Isaac Sheron invented a straightening iron most similar to the ones we use today; this iron contained two hot metal plates that slid through the hair, according to TheFreeLibrary.com. For more than a century, women have used irons made for ironing clothes to straighten their hair.

Read more: Difference Between a Flat Iron & a Straightening Iron | eHow.com Difference Between a Flat Iron & a Straightening Iron | eHow.com

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I guess that is what I do not understand Jeanie -- if you really feel "taken" then why would you use the dog as your breeding sire? (I am making no judgement on your dog, just using your words). I just don't understand why you would breed, if you are not satisfied with both the dam & sire. Why not wait until you do have what you do want? Those are the questions that come to mind. You don't owe me the answers, they are more for your own edification. I wish you well as you continue to improve! What a great goal for all of us -- continue to improve! I like it, nice motto for 2011!

Because he was great in other ways. His coat bis the only thing that I don't like about him. Now he could have had a great coat and long legs or something else.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by jencar98

IDK anything about the white changing to blue so won't comment on that. But, I do know a little about flat irons and the usage in showing. Many of these show dogs if bathed, and allowed to air dry would have a slight wave or curl to their coats especially towards their rear end. Although the flat iron is used for straightening after taking down wraps too, if these dogs weren't wrapped chances are the flat iron would have to be used anyway because of the slight wave to many yorkie coats.

There is a link on another thread to a page that is showing some of the famous yorkies from the days of when flat irons either weren't invented yet, or if there was a flat iron it's obvious the iron wasn't used on these dogs.

Ojibwa Yorkies

Looking at the pictures, I'm guessing the waves in some of the older champions' hair are the result of some kind of wrapping or braiding for protection. The waves/curl don't look naturally-occurring to me.