parti changing from white to blue

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

That page won't come up.

I just clicked on the link and it opened fine??? Maybe try copy and pasting it?

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

If you want an answer to your question then you need to go ask some of the YTCA show breeders.
I sure they can explain why they use straight irons to knock out the curl and waves before showing dogs to get that straight shiney look.
Also you might ask them why they breed those dogs with faults....

you made me spit tea all over my lap top!! If I didn't use a flat iron on Radar after taking out his wraps he'd be going in the ring with an afro looking coat!! Have you ever put in rollers in your hair to obtain curl? Well wrapping a yorkie's coat is like when you take your hair down out of sponge rollers!!

[Woogie Man]

I was wondering if this (color change) could be hormonal? I don't know if there's something unique to partis, but I have seen gold run through the saddle on a mature blue and tan girl.

I can only relate what I've seen. To use Bonnie as a reference again, she has had gold run through her saddle after breeding. She hasn't been bred for over a year now and the gold has almost completely disappeared from the saddle. All the new growth is now blue. I have another girl whose coat didn't change with breeding.

[Rhetts_mama]

Actually, curly is dominant to straight. When you get the mixed alleles, Cs (or Rr) you end up with wavy.

Understanding Genetics: Human Health and the Genome

Then, to make things more complicated, there are variations/mutations within those alleles.

Why Obama's Dog Has Curly Hair

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I just clicked on the link and it opened fine??? Maybe try copy and pasting it?

When I try to open it, it says:

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While wikepedia is a useful tool, it is created by individuals, and the information is not always accurate, in time someone comes along with better references and inaccurate information is disputed.

The page I posted was from a reputable book on dog genetics, but I can't remember the name, I just took a picture of the page. I'm sure others will have better sources than I have.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

R Locus

Straight - R
Curly - r

Straight is dominant to curly

all pups would be Rr = straight hair since straight (R) is dominant

Now if the stud was Rr (straight hair but carries for curly)
half the litter would be curly and half would be straight

The examples you are giving is a different type of hair attribute than we are talking about with our yorkies. You are giving examples for curly-haired breeds -- like Portagese Water Dogs, Poodles, and not just the hair on a long-haried breed like ours. The yorkie is actually called a long haired breed as opposed to a curly-haired breed that would fit your example. Yorkies do not have the TT phenotypes like the Water Dogs & Poodles. -- we are talking about the curly/wavy/straight as it applies to our long straight-haired breed. I know that sounds confusing as all get out but here is a good reference that might help: Patent Docs: The Genetic Basis of Coat Variation in Dogs I wish I could describe this better but I only had one genetics course. I do know though that what we are talking about -- trying to breed out the waviness of a long-straight haired breed is not at all the same as the genetics that cause a curly-haired breed to be as they are.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

you made me spit tea all over my lap top!! If I didn't use a flat iron on Radar after taking out his wraps he'd be going in the ring with an afro looking coat!! Have you ever put in rollers in your hair to obtain curl? Well wrapping a yorkie's coat is like when you take your hair down out of sponge rollers!!

Donna please be careful with where you spit your tea or you will have to share that flat iron with Radar BTW~I didn't know that you were at Westminster last year with him! That is just amazing to me. He is gorgeous in pictures but I have to say stunning in person! The one time that I saw you and Radar in the ring 2 things caught my eye. One was how much I could tell he loved being there and the other was how beautiful his coat was and how it flowed when he moved. Simply amazing to me.

ETA~I was looking at another thread and took a look at a site that Donna recommended. There they both were! http://www.sweetyblue.com/sweety/pri...d=21425&page=1

[FlDebra]

Let me try again.... The two main divisions in dog hair is the differentiation between the double-coated "FUR" and the single'coated "HAIR" -- Yorkies come under HAIR of course.

The examples Pinehaven was using are the genetic ideas behind the different coat-types. For example there are wire-haired dogs, long hair dogs, curly haired dogs, short haired dogs, and then some combos -- wire/curly, long with furnishings, curly with furnishings. Our dogs come in to the long hair dogs category for this genetic concept. Has nothing to do with the wave in some yorkies hair -- they are all long haired dogs for this concept.

Here is another site that explains Hair Curl (DNA marker tested – KRT71) The presence of "Curl" is inherited as an autosomal Dominant trait. Therefore, dogs having only 1 copy of the curl allele will appear to have a curly coat, but will likely pass on the non-curl allele 50% of the time. Canine Coat Length Test for German Shepherd Dogs, Rottweiler, and Cardigan Welsh Corgis

I think that one other site with the Rr listed has just been copied on site after site, without proper explanation as how it would relate to dog breeds specifically.

[Pinehaven]

Thanks for the links!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Let me try again.... The two main divisions in dog hair is the differentiation between the double-coated "FUR" and the single'coated "HAIR" -- Yorkies come under HAIR of course.

The examples Pinehaven was using are the genetic ideas behind the different coat-types. For example there are wire-haired dogs, long hair dogs, curly haired dogs, short haired dogs, and then some combos -- wire/curly, long with furnishings, curly with furnishings. Our dogs come in to the long hair dogs category for this genetic concept. Has nothing to do with the wave in some yorkies hair -- they are all long haired dogs for this concept.

Here is another site that explains Hair Curl (DNA marker tested – KRT71) The presence of "Curl" is inherited as an autosomal Dominant trait. Therefore, dogs having only 1 copy of the curl allele will appear to have a curly coat, but will likely pass on the non-curl allele 50% of the time. Canine Coat Length Test for German Shepherd Dogs, Rottweiler, and Cardigan Welsh Corgis

I think that one other site with the Rr listed has just been copied on site after site, without proper explanation as how it would relate to dog breeds specifically.

Oops- you are right. And I just added to the confusion by putting in one link about hair and the other about fur. My bad.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Donna please be careful with where you spit your tea or you will have to share that flat iron with Radar BTW~I didn't know that you were at Westminster last year with him! That is just amazing to me. He is gorgeous in pictures but I have to say stunning in person! The one time that I saw you and Radar in the ring 2 things caught my eye. One was how much I could tell he loved being there and the other was how beautiful his coat was and how it flowed when he moved. Simply amazing to me.

ETA~I was looking at another thread and took a look at a site that Donna recommended. There they both were! Sweetyblue - REPORTAGES - Gallery

HA HA! You said what I was thinking (I bolded it)!

1. Out of curiosity did anyone ask her dog's age and ever answer her actual question...? Am I missing it...?

2. Totally off topic to OP but, I was curious if the dog with fault is a female and the "corrective" genes are coming from a male does that count a ruining the breed? I don't mean this specific to this case just in general BTW.

3. I just had to say WOW that is some curly hair! I have never seen a wave so pronounced it looks like a crimper has been used on her-isn't there also a correlation between hormones and texture just like the red (brown) tinge to coats some gets? Is it partially a hormonal imbalance? I know there's genetics, obviously in coat type, but is there a hormonal correlation in Yorkies for this?

4. I thought the picture presented a silver dog more than white Parti but then again last week I called a silver and black Parti carrier a Parti because the silver looked white on my pc....

5. Do cotton coated Yorkies count as having similar genetics to double coated dogs? I thought a breeder here recent said something about that and have been wondering why myself since...a cottony Yorkie's coat is nothing like my mini schnauzies double coat in my observation, not even the same as my Schnorkie's (Yorkie/ schnauzie hybrid) coat.

6. Wikipedia is a really stinky reference to use for anything it's a good starting point, though. I use it to look up things and then see the references and search those sources, but other than that Wikipedia shouldn't be relied on.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Donna please be careful with where you spit your tea or you will have to share that flat iron with Radar BTW~I didn't know that you were at Westminster last year with him! That is just amazing to me. He is gorgeous in pictures but I have to say stunning in person! The one time that I saw you and Radar in the ring 2 things caught my eye. One was how much I could tell he loved being there and the other was how beautiful his coat was and how it flowed when he moved. Simply amazing to me.

ETA~I was looking at another thread and took a look at a site that Donna recommended. There they both were! Sweetyblue - REPORTAGES - Gallery

LOL if I'm shocked not sure the flat iron would take it out LOL!! But Radar and I do share flat irons LOL...I guess I'll have to take a pic of him when I take out his wraps and post to show WHY I have to use a flat iron LOL...

Awww thanks for the compliments on Radar! When did you see us in person? And WHY didn't you come introduce yourself huh huh?? Or did you? LOL...Last Feb was a long time ago LOL...Yes, Radar loves to show with his momma and I think he is stunning but I'm biased

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

LOL if I'm shocked not sure the flat iron would take it out LOL!! But Radar and I do share flat irons LOL...I guess I'll have to take a pic of him when I take out his wraps and post to show WHY I have to use a flat iron LOL...

Awww thanks for the compliments on Radar! When did you see us in person? And WHY didn't you come introduce yourself huh huh?? Or did you? LOL...Last Feb was a long time ago LOL...Yes, Radar loves to show with his momma and I think he is stunning but I'm biased

Donna

Sorry got off topic so back to the other threads, unless flat ironing comes back as the topic LOL, my apologies for chimming in but the flat iron comment made me laugh and spit my tea at my lap top LOL

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

LOL if I'm shocked not sure the flat iron would take it out LOL!! But Radar and I do share flat irons LOL...I guess I'll have to take a pic of him when I take out his wraps and post to show WHY I have to use a flat iron LOL...

Awww thanks for the compliments on Radar! When did you see us in person? And WHY didn't you come introduce yourself huh huh?? Or did you? LOL...Last Feb was a long time ago LOL...Yes, Radar loves to show with his momma and I think he is stunning but I'm biased

Donna

It was a the Reliant Show 09 but I only got to see you from the sidelines. I was really busy all weekend raising funds for the rescue. But I made sure that I was able to watch in the big ring. I was only about 20 ft from you and I just was in awe how he looked into your eyes while in the ring. It was like you were one together. I literally had goosebumps.

Shhh~don't tell anyone but I am hoping to go to New York in February. We will see what happens but I will be in Yorkie heaven!

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Sorry got off topic so back to the other threads, unless flat ironing comes back as the topic LOL, my apologies for chimming in but the flat iron comment made me laugh and spit my tea at my lap top LOL

Well Sorry didn't mean for you to spit tea on your screen and I wasn't talking about the crimping from ties but I would be interested to see pictures of some dogs who were just washed and allow to air dry before they are ironed.

Still as breeders you pick and chose the fault you can or can't, will or won't work with and I'd take a curl to the hair anyday over a bad genetic defect.