I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by kdhawks

I usually try to stay out of breeding threads because I am not a breeder and I have no intentions on becoming one. I do, however, take issue with some of your statements. And I feel that I can't be the only one offended by these statements. It seems to me that your sole purpose of breeding is to make a profit. You like breeding YorkiePoms because they sell. Period. It seems like you are only concerned with profit.

Have you considered that people looking for a pet could go other avenues? There are mixed breeds (and purebreds too) overcrowding every shelter and rescue in the U.S. Millions and millions are euthanized every year. I know that my local rescue has at least 4 Yorkie mixes right now that are looking for homes. That isn't even considering all of the breed-specific rescues around. You are catering to the demand for hybrid "designer" dogs with cutesy little names that sell for a high price. That is my personal issue with purposeful, profit-seeking cross-breeding.

You have stated that your purpose is breeding pets. Plenty of reputable breeders breed pet-quality Yorkies. They go to pet homes (and hopefully on a spay/neuter contract). Not every reputable breeder charges outrageous prices for their Yorkies. In fact, I'm sure there are reputable AKC breeders out there whose prices are comparable to yours.

Our Shelters have Mixed Yorkies too. So sad.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

didnt say anything on the vet cost

its not that i dont get why they do what they do..i choose not to go that route..its not something i want to do..and there more people out there less interested in the showing aspect then just wanting a pet.

i do know what my mixes will looking like..always the same features, same hair, some times there is a vary in color...its either golden, blonde or the yorkie black n gold..all have been 3-5lbs full grown, great temperaments

When I was looking to buy a Yorkie last year. I wanted a pet. I was not interested in showing. BUT I wanted a Yorkie that was a good representation of the breed, which is why I bought from a breeder that was a show breeder, that bred to standard. I did not want to buy from someone who bred just to breed. I was really lucky to get Beamer.

And re-reading this whole thread the problem didn't start with you posting "Hey" to Mary, it was when you accused Mary of being wrong when she said that the breeder mentioned in the original post did not microchip and it is something that the AKC apparently requires of its breeders.
I am not a breeder and no intention of being one so I wasn't aware of this requirement, but if Mary says it is a requirement then I believe her as she has many years of knowledge and as a reputable breeder she knows the requirements inside and out!

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by kdhawks

I usually try to stay out of breeding threads because I am not a breeder and I have no intentions on becoming one. I do, however, take issue with some of your statements. And I feel that I can't be the only one offended by these statements. It seems to me that your sole purpose of breeding is to make a profit. You like breeding YorkiePoms because they sell. Period. It seems like you are only concerned with profit.

Have you considered that people looking for a pet could go other avenues? There are mixed breeds (and purebreds too) overcrowding every shelter and rescue in the U.S. Millions and millions are euthanized every year. I know that my local rescue has at least 4 Yorkie mixes right now that are looking for homes. That isn't even considering all of the breed-specific rescues around. You are catering to the demand for hybrid "designer" dogs with cutesy little names that sell for a high price. That is my personal issue with purposeful, profit-seeking cross-breeding.

You have stated that your purpose is breeding pets. Plenty of reputable breeders breed pet-quality Yorkies. They go to pet homes (and hopefully on a spay/neuter contract). Not every reputable breeder charges outrageous prices for their Yorkies. In fact, I'm sure there are reputable AKC breeders out there whose prices are comparable to yours.

yes there are millions of dogs in sheltes..mainly mutts heniz57
yes there are yorkies and i sympathize with them...but the marjority are not desired..most people want the puppy, they want to know where they came from, they dont want the baggage, the already learned bad habits and there are wonderful people out there that do and take them in and care for them and retrain them and give them the best..but thats not everyones cup o tea

i enjoy it i think its amazing..yes i get nervous and scared for them but i am there for every minute and i am watchful with the er vet on stand by


"You have stated that your purpose is breeding pets. Plenty of reputable breeders breed pet-quality Yorkies. They go to pet homes (and hopefully on a spay/neuter contract). Not every reputable breeder charges outrageous prices for their Yorkies. " THIS IS HOW I CONSIDER MYSELF

"In fact, I'm sure there are reputable AKC breeders out there whose prices are comparable to yours." -
yes there are affordable AKC yorkies out there.. i have 2 one cost way more then the other..and i would like to do the same

my puppies are sold on contracts i have not included the spay or neuter clause, yet. but i will do limited on my AKC

they are to come back to me if the owner can no longer keep them. thats in the contract

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Enjoying breeding is just a lame excuse for making a buck off the back of your dogs. It is inexcusable IMO to even try to raise yourself to the level of the show breeders on this forum. Anyone that mixes breeds when the shelters are over run with poorly breed dogs dying every day for the sole purpose of creative puppies for sale is just low. There is no accountability for all of the dogs that are dying every day. Have you ever visited your local shelter? Seen all of the scared innocent faces pleading to save their lives? Have you held in your arm a sick dog who is so weak from lack of proper care that you didn't think he would make it through the night? Do you know what it is like to pick up your dog and feel the LP popping in their legs? Have you donated your time or money to a rescue to help with the care of irresponsible breeders? Have you cried because you knew a dog would die because there was no room for him? That is what goes on daily in shelters and rescues all over this country. As I am sitting here I see all of the pleas for help popping up from Facebook contacts. This dog is in danger, this one has been hit by a car, this one had puppies and is dying. It becomes overwhelming. Then I come here and see lame arguments about why someone wants to breed a Porkie.

As for the "closet" breeders they should stay in their closets. Hopefully, someone will prop a great big chair under the doorknob and they can stay there forever. Mixing and breeding substandard dogs adds to the crisis in this country.

I think its a great idea that you chip each and every one of your puppies so if they end up in a kill shelter the local rescue will to be further overrun with cast off from irresponsible breeding practices. They can call you and you can step up and bring that dog back to health.


Breeding should be a privilege and so many feel it's their right. It's a lifelong (for the dogs) decision that should be taken very seriously.

You should be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Wow, what a wonderfully powerful post, this should be a sticky! Unfortunately, some people just don't get it, or just want to justify their reasons for using dogs to make money. It's always so they can help others who can't afford a show dog.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

im glad you have a great mentor..im not in it for showing..im in it because i enjoy the breed, i enjoy breeding and meeting the new owners and watching them grow and visiting with them

You talk about breeding like it is a hobby like crochet or knitting -- something you like to do for fun and socializing. You kind of want it to turn out okay, but if you drop a stitch, or breed carelessly, who cares, right? As long as they are selling, it's all good? Breeding is so much more. It is a huge responsibility. It is picking the best representatives of the breed you can find, making sure to align complimentary characteristics, getting them evaluated for conformation, having the vet run tests for potential genetic problems, checking the hips, knees and spine, blood work. Then it is timing and patience to get that litter whelped with the minimum of problems and then finding the perfect families that will have the same high regard for their well-being. Its learning, studying and picking the brains of those who have done it RIGHT before you, hoping they will mentor you along your way. I skipped the whole process of showing in there -- showing is all about determining if the dogs ARE good enough to breed. It is an evaluation process. This is something I want to include if I ever breed again. I see the importance of this step in getting others' input and assessment of your breeding efforts.

To take any two dogs, regardless of meeting the standard for their breed or even being the same breed, and breeding them just because you can sell them....that is being in it for the money! Did you not read when I explained there being a demand for something does not make it right? Is it right for people to sell drugs? Of course not! But people will buy! Just as you said. You do it because they are selling better than the full yorkies. Maybe your full yorkies are not being bred correctly either?

What you are doing is not caring about the future of the breed. It is diluting the gene pool! Next thing you know, one of those mixes comes out looking all yorkie, the new owner sends in a picture and gets them a nice little CKC registration paper. Then they breed their mix like it was a pure bred yorkie, the pups come out with pointy little snouts and hair as thick as a lion mane.....where did that come from? Next generation breeds again, and the puppies look less and less like that Yorkshire Terrier standard set forth by the YTCA. 20-30 years go by and now you have a whole area of the country where you can hardly find a Yorkie that looks like it is suppose to. I wonder how many of your puppies descendents will wind up in shelters, pounds, and rescues. When I looked for my first yorkie, I found a lot that did not have it -- they had obviously gotten a mix somewhere in their background and it changed their appearance. That was when I first started learning about CKC, APRI, and some of the other penny ante registries. That is when I decided I wanted to learn more! There are plenty of people willing to share their knowlege with you on this site. You can learn something new every day. All you have to do is open your mind and realize it is no crime to look up to someone for what they have accomplished. It is no crime to change direction and start doing things right. Many of us have had to re-evaluate and maybe do things a little better next time around. Mistakes are made, but if we learn from them, change and do better -- progress is also made.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Enjoying breeding is just a lame excuse for making a buck off the back of your dogs. It is inexcusable IMO to even try to raise yourself to the level of the show breeders on this forum. Anyone that mixes breeds when the shelters are over run with poorly breed dogs dying every day for the sole purpose of creative puppies for sale is just low. There is no accountability for all of the dogs that are dying every day. Have you ever visited your local shelter? Seen all of the scared innocent faces pleading to save their lives? Have you held in your arm a sick dog who is so weak from lack of proper care that you didn't think he would make it through the night? Do you know what it is like to pick up your dog and feel the LP popping in their legs? Have you donated your time or money to a rescue to help with the care of irresponsible breeders? Have you cried because you knew a dog would die because there was no room for him? That is what goes on daily in shelters and rescues all over this country. As I am sitting here I see all of the pleas for help popping up from Facebook contacts. This dog is in danger, this one has been hit by a car, this one had puppies and is dying. It becomes overwhelming. Then I come here and see lame arguments about why someone wants to breed a Porkie.

As for the "closet" breeders they should stay in their closets. Hopefully, someone will prop a great big chair under the doorknob and they can stay there forever. Mixing and breeding substandard dogs adds to the crisis in this country.
I think its a great idea that you chip each and every one of your puppies so if they end up in a kill shelter the local rescue will to be further overrun with cast off from irresponsible breeding practices. They can call you and you can step up and bring that dog back to health.


Breeding should be a privilege and so many feel it's their right. It's a lifelong (for the dogs) decision that should be taken very seriously.

You should be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Agree.....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Enjoying breeding is just a lame excuse for making a buck off the back of your dogs. It is inexcusable IMO to even try to raise yourself to the level of the show breeders on this forum. Anyone that mixes breeds when the shelters are over run with poorly breed dogs dying every day for the sole purpose of creative puppies for sale is just low. There is no accountability for all of the dogs that are dying every day. Have you ever visited your local shelter? Seen all of the scared innocent faces pleading to save their lives? Have you held in your arm a sick dog who is so weak from lack of proper care that you didn't think he would make it through the night? Do you know what it is like to pick up your dog and feel the LP popping in their legs? Have you donated your time or money to a rescue to help with the care of irresponsible breeders? Have you cried because you knew a dog would die because there was no room for him? That is what goes on daily in shelters and rescues all over this country. As I am sitting here I see all of the pleas for help popping up from Facebook contacts. This dog is in danger, this one has been hit by a car, this one had puppies and is dying. It becomes overwhelming. Then I come here and see lame arguments about why someone wants to breed a Porkie.

As for the "closet" breeders they should stay in their closets. Hopefully, someone will prop a great big chair under the doorknob and they can stay there forever. Mixing and breeding substandard dogs adds to the crisis in this country.

I think its a great idea that you chip each and every one of your puppies so if they end up in a kill shelter the local rescue will to be further overrun with cast off from irresponsible breeding practices. They can call you and you can step up and bring that dog back to health.


Breeding should be a privilege and so many feel it's their right. It's a lifelong (for the dogs) decision that should be taken very seriously.

You should be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Jodi,

Tell us what you really think, knowing you you held back a lot

[Rhetts_mama]

Yes, there will always be people behind the scenes who cheer on bad breeding practices. There are only 2 reasons people breed, IMO; for betterment of the breed or for money. There are so many ways for someone who enjoys the thrill of the pregnancy and delivery and growth of the pups to participate without adding to the mixed breed problem They could volunteer to assist with a good breeder. Volunteer with a rescue to foster pregnant dogs. Volunteer at a shelter. In the end, it all comes down to they breed because they want the money. Sad.

[manolos mom]

Tammy, if you dont change your Breeding Practices you will never gain respect.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

When I was looking to buy a Yorkie last year. I wanted a pet. I was not interested in showing. BUT I wanted a Yorkie that was a good representation of the breed, which is why I bought from a breeder that was a show breeder, that bred to standard. I did not want to buy from someone who bred just to breed. I was really lucky to get Beamer.

And re-reading this whole thread the problem didn't start with you posting "Hey" to Mary, it was when you accused Mary of being wrong when she said that the breeder mentioned in the original post did not microchip and it is something that the AKC apparently requires of its breeders.
I am not a breeder and no intention of being one so I wasn't aware of this requirement, but if Mary says it is a requirement then I believe her as she has many years of knowledge and as a reputable breeder she knows the requirements inside and out!

well it was explained improperly originally and the correct info is located on the AKC website and through their employees...

i know that my AKC dogs do not have to be identified. i know that any future puppies do not either..i do need to keep correct records of the parents and the ages etc..collars and tags are fine for identifying if visited by AKC since i will never have 20 dogs or show

im just not defending my self anymore..think what you want...say what you want..i know who i am and dont need anyone's approval or to be corrected by others..if i need to get answers i will go directly to the source from now on..i have all of AKC phone numbers now NY and NC

i have been here long enough to know when to comment on something and not..if your view is not the RIGHT view it will be a never ending clash

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Tammy, if you dont change your Breeding Practices you will never gain respect.

breeding practices do not make me ( which i do not see has something horribly wrong)....i am a WHOLE person...

because we dont agree i am not worry of respect??.. WOW

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

breeding practices do not make me ( which i do not see has something horribly wrong)....i am a WHOLE person...

because we dont agree i am not worry of respect??.. WOW

Breeding practices speaks volumes of ones character.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Breeding practices speaks volumes of ones character.

This entire thread speaks volumes

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

well it was explained improperly originally and the correct info is located on the AKC website and through their employees...

i know that my AKC dogs do not have to be identified. i know that any future puppies do not either..i do need to keep correct records of the parents and the ages etc..collars and tags are fine for identifying if visited by AKC since i will never have 20 dogs or show

im just not defending my self anymore..think what you want...say what you want..i know who i am and dont need anyone's approval or to be corrected by others..if i need to get answers i will go directly to the source from now on..i have all of AKC phone numbers now NY and NC

i have been here long enough to know when to comment on something and not..if your view is not the RIGHT view it will be a never ending clash

Responsible rescue chip all of their dogs. They want to be able to keep track if for some reason they were ever back in a shelter. Responsible breeders should also do the same. It should just standard of care for a breeder to have a trail so that they will always be notified if one of their dogs ends up in harms way. It would IMO be going above and beyond the minimum requirement.

[143julz]

I'm sure the OP wasn't expecting her thread to be hi-jacked...she took what info she needed and hauled a$$ off.....SAD

I hope she doesn't BUY from that person!!!