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Wylie's Mom 05-19-2010 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3133756)
Personally I don't think a sticky is going to stop these threads.

There are stickies on lots of topics and there are still threads about those topics, some of them very heated debates.

If we put up stickies to answer all of the questions, then this will be just another site, to come to, to play those silly games to run your post count up.
I don't have any interest in "stopping threads" or debates. What I have an interest in is some kind of simple overview (if possible) regarding the subject.

We discuss, debate, and ask about vaccines *all* the time - that doesn't mean there isn't a need for a Vaccine Overview to point members to. When someone just wants a basic introduction, they need a place to start - they don't need a debate thread.

For example, I've had newbies email *me* (of all people) to ask about the Biewers/Partis bc they don't understand the heated threads, they don't want to post on the heated thread, and they can't find the info here. I'm not qualified to properly address their questions...so...we need something in The Library.

bchgirl 05-19-2010 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3133894)
I don't have any interest in "stopping threads" or debates. What I have an interest in is some kind of simple overview (if possible) regarding the subject.

We discuss, debate, and ask about vaccines *all* the time - that doesn't mean there isn't a need for a Vaccine Overview to point members to. When someone just wants a basic introduction, they need a place to start - they don't need a debate thread.

For example, I've had newbies email *me* (of all people) to ask about the Biewers/Partis bc they don't understand the heated threads, they don't want to post on the heated thread, and they can't find the info here. I'm not qualified to properly address their questions...so...we need something in The Library.
Can I be qualified? :D j/k

I still go by what I originally replied. Bama's explaination and the links provided by kpstoybox. Minus any link to YTCA (sorry Nancy)...but since YTCA doesn't recognize parti's or biewers....it's irrelevant.

Why do these threads get heated? Three reasons basically. You have people who believe biewers are a breed of their own and should be bred respectively as such. Others who believe the dogs are just a color and not a breed...and third...the group of women who are passionate about the original yorkie standard. There is no need to provide any of those arguments into a sticky providing the differences between the two.

There's actually a fourth...but sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie. ;)

Brooklynn 05-19-2010 08:12 AM
I like Bama's explantions...

Now on to Puppy whoever....looks like to me she/he has a major problem with the YTCA...all I can say is "get over it" :) I would NEVER kill a puppy if it were ever to be born a parti colored, I would spay/neuter and place it into a pet home for the cost of the spay/neuter. Then I would spay/neuter both the male and female and start over because I do not want to produce something that is going to not be the best representation of the breed and that is to produce off colored yorkies. Culling is a word to kill and it use to be done many years ago and maybe still done today but I don't see it or hear of it being done anymore because how could someone kill a poor defenseless baby? That is horrifing!!!
Puppylove....the YTCA close minded?? No, we are upholding the standard as written and will stand behind our standard. Sorry but that's not being close minded but upholding our breed and standing behind our convictions!!! Again, I'll say you need to get over it and move on and saying this in the most polite way as possible with a smile on my face :)

Donna

Wylie's Mom 05-19-2010 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3133926)
Can I be qualified? :D j/k
YES, please!!! :D

Personally, after watching this thread evolve - I do agree that the link to YTCA is probably not necessary, but that's just my opinion. The intent of the sticky is to explain some basics about the Biewer and Parti - and I'm not convinced that needs to include the YTCA's opinion...? Jmo.

As far as heated threads, they will always be part of YT - I just want a place I/we can point people when they're looking for a bit of an intro to understanding Biewers and Partis as the question is constantly coming up :). And I agree - no need to provide any of the arguments in the sticky.

Teegy 05-19-2010 08:25 AM
wow there is a breeder in Canada that's charging 3000 bucks a pup for Biewers saying the parents gene's is from Germany. If the German CKC equivalent doesn't recognize the breed, then she's got a darn cheek charging for a "rare breed recognized in Germany and Europe". Don't you think?

Brooklynn 05-19-2010 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3133952)
YES, please!!! :D

Personally, after watching this thread evolve - I do agree that the link to YTCA is probably not necessary, but that's just my opinion. The intent of the sticky is to explain some basics about the Biewer and Parti - and I'm not convinced that needs to include the YTCA's opinion...? Jmo.

As far as heated threads, they will always be part of YT - I just want a place I/we can point people when they're looking for a bit of an intro to understanding Biewers and Partis as the question is constantly coming up :). And I agree - no need to provide any of the arguments in the sticky.
I think the YTCA opinion is necessary :) Because Parti's are registared as Yorkshire Terriers and the YTCA is the owner of the standard and how it's written for the "yorkshire terrier". :) If someone were to buy a Parti and wonder why it can't be shown they can refere to the YTCA standard and the DQ :) What if a Parti owner that had no knowledge of the YTCA standard and the DQ and decided to enter the Parti and they got DQ'ed they would have questions as to why am I not correct? Some people selling dogs aren't always truthful when they sell and to some unsuspecting buyer the seller can say sure you can show your parti it's registered with AKC...make sense?

Donna

bjh 05-19-2010 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3133952)
YES, please!!! :D

Personally, after watching this thread evolve - I do agree that the link to YTCA is probably not necessary, but that's just my opinion. The intent of the sticky is to explain some basics about the Biewer and Parti - and I'm not convinced that needs to include the YTCA's opinion...? Jmo.

As far as heated threads, they will always be part of YT - I just want a place I/we can point people when they're looking for a bit of an intro to understanding Biewers and Partis as the question is constantly coming up :). And I agree - no need to provide any of the arguments in the sticky.
I feel like if you are going to have a 'sticky' on the Biewer and the Parti yorkie then you would need a link to the YTCA website. After all the Parti yorkie is a Yorkshire Terrier with disqualifying colors. There is so much more to a yorkie than just a color. If someone wanted the best parti yorkie possible then they would need to study the standard for the Yorkshire Terrier therefore anyone who is trying to educate themselves about partis and Biewers should read the standards. jmo

bchgirl 05-19-2010 08:49 AM
Good luck, Ann.

Wylie's Mom 05-19-2010 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3133990)
Good luck, Ann.
Yeah....maybe it's just not realistic, I guess? I think unless there is some kind of consensus that occurs, I'll just chuck the idea - bc I really feel like I'm btwn a rock and a hard place, which is fine...I was just hopin' :).

chachi 05-19-2010 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3133968)
I feel like if you are going to have a 'sticky' on the Biewer and the Parti yorkie then you would need a link to the YTCA website. After all the Parti yorkie is a Yorkshire Terrier with disqualifying colors. There is so much more to a yorkie than just a color. If someone wanted the best parti yorkie possible then they would need to study the standard for the Yorkshire Terrier therefore anyone who is trying to educate themselves about partis and Biewers should read the standards. jmo
I agree for the same reasoning

kpstoybox 05-19-2010 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3133968)
I feel like if you are going to have a 'sticky' on the Biewer and the Parti yorkie then you would need a link to the YTCA website. After all the Parti yorkie is a Yorkshire Terrier with disqualifying colors. There is so much more to a yorkie than just a color. If someone wanted the best parti yorkie possible then they would need to study the standard for the Yorkshire Terrier therefore anyone who is trying to educate themselves about partis and Biewers should read the standards. jmo
The standards for both the parti and the biewer are no where to be found on the YTCA link. So..why link to it under the topic at hand? And let's be honest here...someone wanting the best parti yorkie or Biewer they could find...would not get any help from the YTCA or it's website.

However, they can find and study the standard of the parti and Biewer at the links originally provided. :)

Brooklynn 05-19-2010 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3134035)
The standards for both the parti and the biewer are no where to be found on the YTCA link. So..why link to it under the topic at hand? And let's be honest here...someone wanting the best parti yorkie or Biewer they could find...would not get any help from the YTCA or it's website.

However, they can find and study the standard of the parti and Biewer at the links originally provided. :)
But isn't a Parti a yorkie so hence wouldn't anyone wanting one want to know the standard for the yorkshire terrier? I"m not trying to start anything but I hope that one that breeds and sells Parti's lets the buyer know that the Parti color is a disqualification in an AKC comformation show ring and that they can't be shown and would be for pet purposes only.

chachi 05-19-2010 09:47 AM
This debate is going to go round and round and I usually dont get into them but it just seems if your going to classify them as a yorkshire terrier the YTCA link should be there. I understand it is not needed for the biewers but they arent classified as yorkshire terriers. What am I missing?

Brooklynn 05-19-2010 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3134064)
This debate is going to go round and round and I usually dont get into them but it just seems if your going to classify them as a yorkshire terrier the YTCA link should be there. I understand it is not needed for the biewers but they arent classified as yorkshire terriers. What am I missing?
I guess I"m missing the same thing...and I agree this debate will be non ending but at least I can keep it civil :)

kpstoybox 05-19-2010 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3133926)
Can I be qualified? :D j/k

I still go by what I originally replied. Bama's explaination and the links provided by kpstoybox. Minus any link to YTCA (sorry Nancy)...but since YTCA doesn't recognize parti's or biewers....it's irrelevant.

Why do these threads get heated? Three reasons basically. You have people who believe biewers are a breed of their own and should be bred respectively as such. Others who believe the dogs are just a color and not a breed...and third...the group of women who are passionate about the original yorkie standard. There is no need to provide any of those arguments into a sticky providing the differences between the two.

There's actually a fourth...but sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie. ;)
Well, it should come as no surprise that I agree with this.

I want to add..I wasn't thrilled with Misty's interpretation of "the differences"...but at least she didn't degrade the parti and those that love and breed them. So I have no problem with her post being the explanation in the sticky.

As far as Nancy's contribution is concerned...the only relevance the link to the YTCA and the parti yorkie have in common...is a sentence or two of labeling all parti breeders as unscrupulous. That link may prompt or scare a newbie into not purchasing a parti yorkie (which I am certain was the purpose in adding the link). But in all seriousness...unless you are allowing the politics or opinions of breeding the parti into the equation...how is the link to the YTCA going to help anyone determine the difference's between the Biewer and Parti? This sticky is not called "Everything you should know concerning the Parti Yorkie". It is "The differences between the Biewer and the parti yorkie". And that is what is being lost in this thread.


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