Come on! How many non ytca members have a vote on the standard of this breed? NONE!! I have seen many ytca members show in an akc conformation ring with a yorkie I personally would have petted out, lol! I have seen akc champions owned by ytca members, who are pet quality and I would have petted out. I know ytca members who have liver shunt issues and they continue to breed. In all honesty you should be more worried about the club you are a member of and speak so highly of and all the members who do not practice what they preach! Instead of bashing breeders who are not a member of your so-called elite club.

:thumbup: :thumbup: I wholeheartedly agree. Posts like this one that throw out wild and unsubstantiated accusations about the official breed club and its members do more to hurt the image of parti Yorkies than to help it IMO.

Presenting a particular side of any argument is much more effective if its done in a thoughtful, reasoned manner.

LOL you so crack me up :) I guess we know people on both sides of the fence on this issue and continue to breed. You know, I'm more worried about those breeders that aren't members and puppymillers and byb's than I am in probably a few select that are members of the YTCA. I never bashed anyone, seems you are the one bashing the YTCA :)

Just to be clear, I'm not accusing anyone of making "wild and unsubstantiated accusations". I'm in here taking the side of what is most important to me...and that's the dogs! And also to hopefully get some of us to see that we're doing the promotion of these beautiful dogs more harm than good by taking these threads to such a level.

Oh, I hope my post wasn't confusing! I thought I got the quotes right and my comments in the correct places.

I was agreeing with your previous post and using the second post as an example of unhelpful posts.

That's what I thought you were doing too, honey. But I just wanted to make sure others understood. The last thing I want to do is contribute to what I am so sorely against! And it is why I have remained so silent in these threads for so long.

Can I ask why there is such an objection to the word rare? Are there numbers available for how many parti's in the US?


There are supposedly 4500 biewers in the US. They are recognized by rare breed associations. I just don't understand why it is frowned upon to use rare as a description.

To the OP I am sorry that we have hijacked your thread. Your question was a valid one.

The Biewer a la pom pon was bred and further developed in Germany by Mr. & Mrs. Biewer in the 1980's. The color pattern on the breast, belly and legs pure white, and on the head being white-blue-gold, symmetrical colored. For futher information on the Biewer please visit: Biewer Yorkshire a la' pom pon Standard.

The particolored Yorkshire Terrier has 2 or more solid colors of which one must be white. The nose, lips, and eye lids must be pigmented. The pattern is not set in the standard. For more information please visit:THE PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB - Parti Standard

The AKC does not recognize the Biewer but does recognize and register the particolored Yorkshire Terrier as indeed a Yorkshire Terrier with color code of 014. The particolored Yorkshire Terrier although registered and its offspring are registerable is not allowed to be shown because the white is a DQ in the show ring. However, they are shown in other venues.

Information was obtained from the Biewer club website and the particolored Yorkshire Terrier website.
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I think rare is in the eye of the beholder to tell you the truth. I believe that each one of my Yorkies....standard colored and "off" colored are rare. NO ONE else has one like mine. They are unique and rare to me :p

There is a difference between a rare breed and the term "rare" use in color variation. There are several rare breeds, and they have to go through a process before they are officially accepted by the AKC.

Some of these clubs have a goal and purpose in mind, beyond selling dogs.

Using the term "rare" when describing a fault is what some object to. It's similar to other marketing terms, such as "teddy bear" "teacup" "doll faced", for these marketing terms, have is no official definition, and are just used to sell dogs. One could say that droopy-eared Yorkies were a rarity, should they be advertised this way? Many of us think it's unethical. I have no problems with people calling a Biewer a rare breed, there is a definition for that, I don't believe everything they call a Biewer is a Biewer that's why it's important to get more that one club's opinion.

Anne....
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This may be overly simplistic, but why not just link to each of the Biewer clubs websites, and to each of the Parti-Yorkie clubs sites in the sticky and label it, Biewer and Parti information? (Or Parti and Biewer, lol whichever) , and let people go check them out?

I can certainly understand a newbie coming to one of these threads and getting completely lost, because it always turns into a debate, no matter what the original post was :rolleyes:

I disagree with many of you who say YTCA is posted all over the place here; I had to read boatload of threads before I ever read of the YTCA. I'll admit I had no real knowledge of specific breeds or breed clubs when I came to Yorkietalk, and maybe the average person who's always gotten purebreds knows more about breed clubs, but I try to share information that I was grateful to learn. I felt very guilty about buying any purebred, because I'm very aware of the problems some of the breeds are having. However, when I learned that there are breeders who are breeding for what I consider the right reasons and that's protecting, preserving, and improving the breed, then I could get a purebred without my conscience bothering me. Not everyone feels like I do about this, but for those who do, having the YTCA link is extremely valuable. I just want to thank those of you who did tell me about the YTCA, I'm extremely grateful.

LOL, yup. :D

Hah! Ever hear of Occam's Razor? I'm a big fan:

"Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor), is the meta-theoretical principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem) and the conclusion thereof, that the simplest solution is usually the correct one."

I think you may be onto something here, MaryKay :).

Who said the Parti breeders were afraid of the YTCA?
I think it is the other way around, the YTCA is afraid of the Partis.
I have written and written the YTCA several times and they do not even have the decency or the courage to reply. Now for a club that is suppose to be the parent club why is it that they wont even return an email and absolutely ignore any requests i have made, that tells me a whole lot about that club. I own yorkshire terriers and they are the parent club, arent they suppose to answer questions when people ask them?
The PYTC website DOES state that the partis cannot be shown in AKC.
Lets really tell what the YTCA is afraid of...........they are afraid of how many partis are getting registered, the numbers are getting there, its just a matter of time when the parti's Equal or out number the traditional color.
As far as show quality, yes some of us are striving for show quality. I for one am buying show females to breed to my parti males and I am going to show my parti carriers in AKC shows.
Now back to the OP, which was ,What is the difference between a Parti and a Biewer? it wasnt can I show a Parti, it wasnt can I breed a parti to a biewer, it wasnt what does YTCA have to do with the partis and biewers and on and on.
Stick to the original subject please and there will certainly be less arguing.